☮ Social ☮ PD Social Talk Thread: If 2020 Was the Dumpster, Can 2021 Be the Fire?

[telepathetic]

welcome back bro. Yup 500 ug of LSD without tolerance or antipsychotics or benzos is on par with 60 mg IM DMT. A full 24 hour trip. Enough to make you want to take a long break from tripping or even do it again. After my last dose above that level i dropped my doses down and slowly been building back up.

IM dmt? I've heard of IV. I have IM 2cb, but dmt being typically extracted id be concerned about intramuscular
Is a micron filter safe enough?

 

[Jabberwocky]

welcome back bro. Yup 500 ug of LSD without tolerance or antipsychotics or benzos is on par with 60 mg IM DMT. A full 24 hour trip. Enough to make you want to take a long break from tripping or even do it again. After my last dose above that level i dropped my doses down and slowly been building back up.

I don’t feel like tripping again ever. I also don’t feel like drinking or taking meth ever again. Or really any drug. Which is kind of a shame cause now i have 80 of those trips and 1/2 an ounce of meth sitting in a drawer with some MehDMA and a bunch of ketamine. I’m pretty sure I’ll just give it all away to needy souls. I might hold on to some of the trips just in case. But the meth I feel I have no use for moving forward.

As far as I can remember I was still fully lost in the fractal stage at the 18 hour mark. Never felt anything like it. I spent the second 24 hours almost entirely in bed just listening to music and trying to get some shuteye. Never really felt bad although a lot of negative emotions and memories bubbled up from time to time. But I just looked at them, understood them, and put them to the side. Not sure where they’ve gone now.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

IM dmt? I've heard of IV. I have IM 2cb, but dmt being typically extracted id be concerned about intramuscular
Is a micron filter safe enough?

lol fuck no never inject extracted DMT. In the 1960s they had pure pharma grade DMT

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah never inject extracted DMT, it contains bits of plant fats and that can cause serious heart infections or other systemic infections.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

I don’t feel like tripping again ever. I also don’t feel like drinking or taking meth ever again. Or really any drug. Which is kind of a shame cause now i have 80 of those trips and 1/2 an ounce of meth sitting in a drawer with some MehDMA and a bunch of ketamine. I’m pretty sure I’ll just give it all away to needy souls. I might hold on to some of the trips just in case. But the meth I feel I have no use for moving forward.

As far as I can remember I was still fully lost in the fractal stage at the 18 hour mark. Never felt anything like it. I spent the second 24 hours almost entirely in bed just listening to music and trying to get some shuteye. Never really felt bad although a lot of negative emotions and memories bubbled up from time to time. But I just looked at them, understood them, and put them to the side. Not sure where they’ve gone now.

whenever i dose past that level i still have strong oevs and cevs till i get to sleep which might be 30+ hours later. 500 ug is the true intitation dose into reality. The intensity will have you feeling like you might die on the come up. In october i skulled down like 5 + cups of water during the come up cause the body load was insane and i had to do yoga to ground myself and stretch out. Whatever happens in the peak of the trip is sealed into the trip but will be like new programming that changes your life. So much shit happens and its so crazy its impossible to fully bring everything back in memory.

When i tried to sleep for a week after it felt like my brain had been put through a microwave literally. It felt truly fucking cooked.

Im going to take 4 tabs in a few weeks was going to be 5 but i don't know what i want too put myself through 5 + tabs again.

 

[Jabberwocky]

whenever i dose past that level i still have strong oevs and cevs till i get to sleep which might be 30+ hours later. 500 ug is the true intitation dose into reality. The intensity will have you feeling like you might die on the come up. In october i skulled down like 5 + cups of water during the come up cause the body load was insane and i had to do yoga to ground myself and stretch out. Whatever happens in the peak of the trip is sealed into the trip but will be like new programming that changes your life. So much shit happens and its so crazy its impossible to fully bring everything back in memory.

When i tried to sleep for a week after it felt like my brain had been put through a microwave literally. It felt truly fucking cooked.

Im going to take 4 tabs in a few weeks was going to be 5 but i don't know what i want too put myself through 5 + tabs again.

You are right about the body load at big doses. At one point I felt like I had a giant sitting on me or that I weighed 1000 kg or something. I was pouring sweat as well even though the outside temperature was only 16 degrees. It wasn’t really frightening but I drank litres of Gatorade every time it relaxed and I felt I could move.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Damn, 95 is too much, currently rocking a steady 80-85 here

Yeah I sweat my ass off today. No good

 

[Deleted member 521610]

You are right about the body load at big doses. At one point I felt like I had a giant sitting on me or that I weighed 1000 kg or something. I was pouring sweat as well even though the outside temperature was only 16 degrees. It wasn’t really frightening but I drank litres of Gatorade every time it relaxed and I felt I could move.

yup on my massive trip bro i was in my underwear outside in the frost at 6 am trying to cool down peaking like a mad man cause the body load was way to intense the cold air helped me alot. even my window was open in my room like 4 degrees on me and i was still sweating and yeah i was drinking powerrade aswell bad thing was that i had the mad shits aswell that was hard to get out just it felt like all my insides was gonna pop out. But at that point my dog was growling at me at 6 am cause i was so fucked lol he was so worried so i just laid back in bed i had dropped at midnight. Man i was so lost at 5 am i didnt even recognize my house or room the visuals were insanity.

 

[Delsyd]

lol fuck no never inject extracted DMT. In the 1960s they had pure pharma grade DMT

There was also synthetic DMT going around in the RC scene around 2007-08.
I never got the opportunity to try it but I remember it was crystals with a pinkish hue.
Not being able to source it at that time was one of the things that encouraged me to start extracting.

 

[telepathetic]

i dont know if this was synthetic or just highly purified but I have had DMT that was like meth but even purer, quartz like, looked like a diamond.

 

[Xorkoth]

i dont know if this was synthetic or just highly purified but I have had DMT that was like meth but even purer, quartz like, looked like a diamond.

Almost all DMT is extracted, in fact probably at any time there is little or no synthetic DMT in the world, because it's so easy to extract. But it's possible to do a very good job and then recrystallize it in heptane and grow some really beautiful crystals.

 

[porkstock]

This recent talk of 500+ ug doses...just doesn’t sound fun :D
I know you guys wouldn’t likely say that’s why you do it, but I am curious why? Or maybe you’re just mentioning the most challenging aspects of it when you say “feel like you might die on the come up” etc?

I have probably only taken about 300 ug max at my highest doses and I felt fine physically. Beautiful even. Maybe some gas pain during the comedown.

You know...on second thought, those 300 ug trips if that’s close to accurate were quite challenging comeups where I would have to lay down so I see where you’re coming from. Twice the dose and it’s gonna be way more intense.

I’ve gotten to the point that it felt like my consciousness could expand outward. I was sitting in a small open space in the park, and with each inhale “i” expanded backward like I could perceive by feeling the 180 degree view behind me. And with each exhale, my consciousness would expand forward until this ball of myself was taking up the whole area. I’m rambling now but I think I’m in the right thread for that?

 

[Jabberwocky]

This recent talk of 500+ ug doses...just doesn’t sound fun :D
I know you guys wouldn’t likely say that’s why you do it, but I am curious why? Or maybe you’re just mentioning the most challenging aspects of it when you say “feel like you might die on the come up” etc?

I think ‘fun’ is the wrong word for it. As I’ve mentioned previously I’ve taken acid for shits and giggles but I’m also a believer in its potential therapeutic and transformative value. I worked my way up to 500 ug trips firstly because very low dose trips would leave me sketched out after several hours. My ego was so strong I kind of ‘held on’ to myself and reality too much and just felt fucked up. Then when I started taking larger trips I was often on or tapering off psychiatric meds that mediated the experience. So while sounding high, the dosages were effectively weakened because many of my receptors were blocked by Seroquel or Abilify (or both). So I’d say prior to my most recent trip my 500 ug trips were really more like 2-300 ug for an unbuffered mind. Still a hard road to navigate on the come-up for sure.

But I’m also a hardened IV stimulant drug user used to trying to find that redline between ‘as fucked up as humanly possible’ and ‘dead’. Even though I don’t IV anymore I guess I still have that mentality of ‘it’s either going to blow my mind or kill me…whatever’ and not caring too much either way. A massive injection of methamphetamine is really hard for the mind and body to digest but once you get through it you are in a good place. I suppose I’ve approached the acid come up the same way. I learned that it’s only temporary discomfort or traumatic or whatever on the way up to a really special place that I want to be. Of course, the whole ego death thing is very different between acid and meth. But that’s where the therapeutic value lies and that’s a value meth does not have at all.

It’s probably different for opiophiles who get the warm fluffy blanket straight away and aren’t used to a hard grind to get where they want to be. But I’ve never been one to get into opiates so I can’t say for sure.

I have probably only taken about 300 ug max at my highest doses and I felt fine physically. Beautiful even. Maybe some gas pain during the comedown.

I’ve gotten to the point that it felt like my consciousness could expand outward. I was sitting in a small open space in the park, and with each inhale “i” expanded backward like I could perceive by feeling the 180 degree view behind me. And with each exhale, my consciousness would expand forward until this ball of myself was taking up the whole area. I’m rambling now but I think I’m in the right thread for that?

That kind of describes how I’d like my future trips to be. I don’t really feel I need to navigate so much trauma on the way up again. I’ve done that now and got a much better measure of what’s in my head, especially in the dark corners. I wouldn’t trip just for kicks though. I’d still want a decent enough dose to make changes in my mind.

All the psychiatric meds I’ve taken for the last 10 years have had semi-permanent effects on me due to neuroplasticity. They’ve shaped to number and sensitivity of different receptors (for good and bad) and basically pressed my ability to feel good and bad and to perceive things into a fairly narrow boring band. They made me really flat, neither depressed nor happy (let alone joyous, exultant or euphoric) and meth contributed to that flattening out in a big way as well with semi-permanent effects on brain structure.

From what I know about LSD (from both reading and experience) it really acutely takes advantage of neuroplasticity and makes connections across different parts of the brain that have atrophied or even never perhaps been in connection before. I feel that those larger doses really push through that atrophy or the closed off areas of the brain and encourage more of mind to talk to more of my mind if that makes any sense. That’s been worth a hard come-up and a long exhausting come-down.

Even today. 48 hours after I last tripped, I’ve sat calmly at my desk and written close to 1,000 words of new material for my thesis. Something that has been pretty much escaping me for months. I also feel like going out and getting some exercise as well which is also pretty novel. Definitely something in my mind is different.

 

[AutoTripper]

This recent talk of 500+ ug doses...just doesn’t sound fun :D
I know you guys wouldn’t likely say that’s why you do it, but I am curious why? Or maybe you’re just mentioning the most challenging aspects of it when you say “feel like you might die on the come up” etc?

I have probably only taken about 300 ug max at my highest doses and I felt fine physically. Beautiful even. Maybe some gas pain during the comedown.

You know...on second thought, those 300 ug trips if that’s close to accurate were quite challenging comeups where I would have to lay down so I see where you’re coming from. Twice the dose and it’s gonna be way more intense.

I’ve gotten to the point that it felt like my consciousness could expand outward. I was sitting in a small open space in the park, and with each inhale “i” expanded backward like I could perceive by feeling the 180 degree view behind me. And with each exhale, my consciousness would expand forward until this ball of myself was taking up the whole area. I’m rambling now but I think I’m in the right thread for that?

I flaming love 500 ug. Don’t be fooled, it IS fun. It’s absolutely incredible from the minute go. It takes a head to ride with it.

My last 3 trips were respectively 500, 600, and 1100 ug.

Last week’s 500 was massively supplemented with cannabis and kava. I was supremely tripped out. I barely had my own mind, although I knew in the back of it it was obviously still there like a boomerang destined to return.

It took a long time to remember that though, and then to keep sight of that realisation and what it meant.

I go along with what the guys are saying. I’m not rushing myself to drop another 500. But I don’t have any memories of unpleasantness or off putting difficulty during the trips.

The following days my head crashes, I’m mostly dandy the whole time I’m actually tripping, as long as I’m not physically uncomfortable.

I feel we are doing a slight disservice to LSD high doses, painting an image it’s a daunting, taunting thing to fear or avoid.

Any dose can be difficult and taxing. But those high doses are also sparklingly mesmerising and glorious, and fantastic fun.

And what you say about challenging comeups on 300 ug, exactly. I get that. But at 500 ug or above I don’t. The transition is so quick the new administration are up and running before you notice the previous one left the building.

If I was in comfortable physical shape atm, not too tired (it’s middle of night or early a.m. indigestion disturbed my attempt at sleep, had some kava about to vaporize some weed), and my mum wasn’t imminently due to rise and loiter dawn til dusk (NOT my ideal “setting” lol)…..


And, if I was going to drop some tabs now (I’m def not), If I had 300 ug, I would kind of buckle myself in like a rollercoaster with a keenness to get going and a slight apprehension.

Now 500 ug, there really is no apprehension about the initial comeup, much less than with 300 ug. It’s the ultra fast comeup and transition I like most at 500 and above.

Immediate propellation. Even 400 ug is slightly below the bar. Once you hit 500, for me, the excitement displaces apprehension.

1000 ug has always been blissful for me personally.

I won’t make that same claim about….25, 50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300 ug.

Just to add a different perspective.

It’s the long haul of it, the prolonged intensity and level of wastedness afterwards which deters me.

If I could take 500 ug and switch it off at say 11 hours as if it hadn’t happened I’d probably do it daily.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

This recent talk of 500+ ug doses...just doesn’t sound fun :D
I know you guys wouldn’t likely say that’s why you do it, but I am curious why? Or maybe you’re just mentioning the most challenging aspects of it when you say “feel like you might die on the come up” etc?

I have probably only taken about 300 ug max at my highest doses and I felt fine physically. Beautiful even. Maybe some gas pain during the comedown.

You know...on second thought, those 300 ug trips if that’s close to accurate were quite challenging comeups where I would have to lay down so I see where you’re coming from. Twice the dose and it’s gonna be way more intense.

I’ve gotten to the point that it felt like my consciousness could expand outward. I was sitting in a small open space in the park, and with each inhale “i” expanded backward like I could perceive by feeling the 180 degree view behind me. And with each exhale, my consciousness would expand forward until this ball of myself was taking up the whole area. I’m rambling now but I think I’m in the right thread for that?

there is a massive league of difference between 500 ug and 300 ug. its a totally different experince. It will push you to your limits crush your ego and soul and force you to let go it will show you how deep reality goes it will show you the past present and future it will do anything it wants to you. I don't take a dose like 500 ug to often infact the last time i dosed above that was in oct. Even 400 ug compared to 300 ug is massive. At 400 ug + you are pretty much insane for the peak.

500 ug will change you as a person on such a deep level it is a hard rest. It will rip reality away from you giving you a blank state to carve out a new reality and programming for your mind. It is physically intense can lead to spewing on the come up.

It requires alot of experince to work up to 500 ug and not go batshit insane. Its important to still ground yourself with breathe and meditation on such a high dose.

at 500 ug + the visuals are so intense by the one hour mark they are even stronger than peaking at 300 ug and only increase each minute till it fully takes over at 4 hours. Its impossible to describe how it feels looking into the abyss of infinity the intersection of a trillion universes unfolding before your eyes seeing into the acutal legit future which comes trues each waking moment. This is the stuff of legends at this level you have transcended time and space itself your a grand cosmic journey you have nowhere to hide and must confront every pain aspect of yourself accept it and move forward its deeply healing,

But i warn its not for most people only few people can handle a legit 500 ug trip.

On the come up i have to let go and meditate through the stream of infinity and not get caught up its hard to do but if you have alot of meditation practice it makes the come up way smoother. It will peak so hard you might feel like eating all your acid because you just entered heaven and never want to leave or you could get stuck in some hell realm and have ptsd.

At 500 ug awaits anything it is the key to the universe you truly have not tripped or lived till you have done legit 500 ug trip. But i warn most people do not attempt this. This will break you as a person and humble your soul.

 

[AutoTripper]

I’m rambling now

Don’t you know, there’s a minimum word count for rambling? I know, lol. Your name doesn’t enter the hat, “come again”. (Simpsons)

Twice the dose and it’s gonna be way more intense.

As I say above, surprisingly not so. It’s the other way round for me.

In fact, if I could trip on 250 ug, and have the comeup of 500, I would prefer it.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

one thing about high doses though is tryna to figure out how fucking strong its about to peak. Cause by the time one hour has hit your tripping so hard that time has utterly lost meaning so when you look at your phone wondering what is still to come your completly utter mind fucked by these pointless numbers on the phone. At that point even counting on your fingers becomes impossible lol!

 

[AutoTripper]

Out of sheer passion for LSD I just want to repeat/emphasise this because it rings so true to my heart. Not to go against harm reduction, but to acknowledge- it ain’t all bad you know!

I feel we are doing a slight disservice to LSD high doses, painting an image it’s a daunting, taunting thing to fear or avoid.

Any dose can be difficult and taxing. But those high doses are also sparklingly mesmerising and glorious, and fantastic fun.

 

[AutoTripper]

one thing about high doses though is tryna to figure out how fucking strong its about to peak. Cause by the time one hour has hit your tripping so hard that time has utterly lost meaning so when you look at your phone wondering what is still to come your completly utter mind fucked by these pointless numbers on the phone. At that point even counting on your fingers becomes impossible lol!

On 500 ug for me time is out the window within 10 minutes.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

Man on any dose above 300 ug i cant even fucking type for the dear life of me music into the phone i just have to hit a playlist or struggle for minutes to get it done or the auto suggestion helps alot.

Been reading about wormholes negative and exotic matter. fuck man the future if humanity does not exterminate itself will be very fucking cool indeed with working time machines wormhole travel across the universe. This time period was cool to see the rise of the internet and all i need in any time period is LSD.

If a time machine is made and from only that point is the furtherst you can travel back i wonder what that would entail. Seriosuly the universe would become such a mind fucked place i believe time travel would become outlawed and only high level government militaries would have it. Could lead to a insane time war imagine world war 4 but its fucking with time machines fighting across hundreds of years.