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☮ Social ☮ PD Social Talk Thread: If 2020 Was the Dumpster, Can 2021 Be the Fire?

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Yeah, fuck alcohol. I spent many a year doing every drug under the sun and then some but it was alcohol that came to bring serious life ruination, as I've posted about. Actually mentioned this at a large (by pandemic standards) AA meeting I was invited to speak at last night. There is something in a real alcoholic that is even more desperate than most any drug addict. I don't know if it has to do with social acceptance and easy availability, that's probably part of it, but as a compound itself, it's a dirty, hard, nasty drug. When you get into not just daily use but maintaining a BAC at all times, withdrawals get involved and it's just as bad as anything else if not worse.

If hardcore Bluelight types want alcohol intoxication, for itself, rather than just as a social thing, they'd probably be better off with tert-amyl alcohol, which actually has a nicer intoxication, with the tiniest hint of NMDAergic, ether-like dissociation, and which is much cleaner metabolically. It's actually something I'm surprised hasn't shown up in head shops or whatever marketed as some kind of wink-wink cleaning product (which it would actually perform OK as.) I'm sure addiction to it is every bit as much of a bear as EtOH is, but you'd be doing your liver a favor at least.
 
I have some t-amyl alcohol, also known as 2M2B, and while I like the effects, I never got over the horrid solvent taste. I only took it a couple of times, but nothing seemed to get rid of the disgusting scent. I guess if you dilute it in large volumes ... but haven't explored it further. Still have like 40 ml left. I was actually using for real research in the lab I work in. When I noticed I was gonna use it my druggy mind was immediately thinking "Mhh.. interesting", so I took a small amount home. That was about three years ago.

Although, as much as it is supposed to be easier on the liver, I'm not entirely sure it is completely harmless to the body. Human consumption is not all that studied after all. I certainly wouldn't encourage anyone to take it daily. The safety sheet came with a lot of precautions for lab use, heh.

Now that I'm typing this I remember that I used it as a inhalant to aid sleep after tripping or stims. I got the Idea because one of the safety warning was using a gas mask when working with it for long periods of time. I figured the vapors must be active then. I tried smelling the falcon tube that I brought home to see if I got something from it, and I think it's hard to tell, but apparently it worked, because I think it made sleep easier the times I tried it.
 
Anyone here dabbled with ether? A colleague of mine told me her and her boyfriend would do it all the time...so I give it a little shot but didn't really feel that comfortable huffing shit off a rag that might knock me out, so didn't experience any pronounced effects really.
 
Bella Figura said:
Anyone here dabbled with ether? A colleague of mine told me her and her boyfriend would do it all the time...so I give it a little shot but didn't really feel that comfortable huffing shit off a rag that might knock me out, so didn't experience any pronounced effects really.
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I adored ether. It is very trippy. Not unlike nitrous mixed with a much heavier sedation and almost alcoholic type intoxication. Similar phenomenon of reaching these indescribable epiphanies and then finding them fleeting, so huffing more. I built myself something vaguely like this to avoid huffing from a rag but the interior mask part, made out of an N95 respirator, some wire mesh and some gauze, would fall apart and need to be replaced (increasingly amateurishly due to my level of intoxication) pretty frequently. Fucking around with ether can be dangerous (and not just because it makes you drowsy, it's extremely flammable) and self administration by more complex methods difficult. I also found it to be addictive. It's easily accessible, though, and a lot of fun. You do tend to feel like shit after the fact, and your breath and pores absolutely reek of the stuff.
 
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Apparently the increased risk of cancer due to moderate alcohol consumption is just about negated by the reduced risk of certain cardiovascular diseases, making it difficult to measure any net effect on mortality, if you'll lend credibility to the research.

What would you rather? Heart disease or cancer? Maybe you can have your cake and eat it too, with 2M2B.
 
I quite like whiskey. I'll sip on Pendleton all day.
But the only time I get drunk anymore is when I drink sake. Something about hot sake gets me, i'll drink it till my head spins.
Other than that I like hoppy beer, but I typically don't like being drunk. Automatic dysphoria. Why I get drunk with sake in spite
of this is anyone's guess. My hangovers aren't that bad, but I stopped that kinda of drinking right out of high school after getting
alcohol poisoning. Rum is still bleh to me....

Took one of those orange 30mg adderalls. Been a sec. Feeling straight up excited right now 🥳

I just got my most recent attempt at making a research supply order in the mail finally. This one did not need to cross any oceans.
The thing was it was supposed to be 1000mg 4-AcO-DMT and 1000mg MXiPr,
and it was 100mg 4-AcO-DMT and 500mg MXiPr.
grumble
 
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I’ll add to the alcohol hate here. I used to drink around 6 beers a night, more if I was hanging out with friends. I’d go to sleep with a beer on my bed side table every night. At a certain point I decided to make health a bigger priority in my life and stopped drinking daily.
Now even 1 beer and I’ll wake up with rumble gut. But I still like drinking socially and I’ll have a glass of wine with dinner on occasion if its something that calls for it.
I have a bit of social anxiety and alcohol wipes that away and makes interacting with people a lot easier. A low dose of dissociatives acts in a similar way for me but being the drug pig I am I usually just take both.
For those of us that enjoy drinking I highly recommend getting some DHM. It takes away most of the hangover effects.
 
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I have some t-amyl alcohol, also known as 2M2B, and while I like the effects, I never got over the horrid solvent taste. I only took it a couple of times, but nothing seemed to get rid of the disgusting scent.
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I went through like 70mL of 2m2b. I threw the last 30mL out, I liked it at first, but in addition to the extremely awful smell and taste (you can taste it through gel caps somehow and the burps all taste awful), it lasts for a LONG time, and although it feels (and is) less toxic (ethanol is metabolized into acetaldehyde which is why it is so toxic, or the main reason why, and 2m2b is metabolized into metabolites which are far safer), the next day still gives nits own kind of hangover that is not nice. Also, I find the effects a lot less euphoric and comfortable. It just sort of started to make me sick just thinking about it and the effects weren't nice enough, so I gave it up.
 
when working with ether in a lab in the past sometimes i would walk out feeling high and a massive headache.

Just did a presentation and im 100% sure i fucked it up lol i was talking way to fast cause of anxiety and just my general being. I might still go see a doctor for a referral to a psycharist i think if they give me amphetamine i should be sweet aphetas make me feel alot better than ritalin. But i cant just tell the doc i self medicate with stimulants lol.

Well what is done is done all i can do now is refocus and not fall into a depressive hole. And aim to achieve greater in the next tasks.

Fuck the anxiety made me my hppd go up and up til it was like full on wall breathing hard with flora designs multicolored over them.
 
Alcohol fiend here
Not proud of it. But it happened.

As a teen it was socially acceptable (especially being from a small town). And though it wasn’t my favourite substance my use escalated. Until one night I ended up with alcohol poisoning at a party and people thought I had oded on something else.... friends assured them otherwise and made sure I was ok/got me home without issue. Anyways a few months and more embarrassing nights later I quit.

A few years passed before I met my (now ex) partner. She drank and toked, I tripped. Eventually we exchanged vices. And I was back off the wagon.

That was some 15 years ago now. I’ve had periods of abstinence but my alcohol consumption has mostly been heavily on.

Why?
It seems to reduce my anxiety.
Though I’ve never been officially diagnosed I’ve experienced anxiety for as long as I can remember, even reaching back into childhood. Though other drugs (psychedelics, dissos and mdma) give more lasting benefits, the effects aren’t as....?... and for whatever reason, perhaps due to alcohols acceptability and my respect for the others?, I can justify higher than avg alcohol consumption almost daily, yet I have rarely binged on dissos>psychedelics>>mdma.

Never tried 2m2b, nor ghb/l because I’m afraid I’d like it too much. I’ve given benzos a whirl and as much as I intend to keep them around to soften the ends of trips; I just eat em long before I get the chance to use em as a crash pad. So I just avoid the lot
 
Glad I don't really enjoy alcohol. I'll occasionally have some on special occasions but can't take any if I'm depressed on anxious since it only makes me feel worse. Wish I'd I of tried out some G back when I had a source.


Getting 7 grams of oil and 3.5 grams of some flowers in a couple days. One of the distillates I'm getting is some 1:1 delta8:delta9. Been on a break for a month; going to try and make it last a while this time.
 
my bro is going to try get his work mates away from there fake friends and show them a better life the two tripping dudes said it felt like hell my mate was there to guide them on a lower dose til those dudes sober mates fucked with them. But they keen to trip again without others and my mate told them to drop their fake friends no reason to put up with people like that.
 
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Never tried 2m2b, nor ghb/l because I’m afraid I’d like it too much. I’ve given benzos a whirl and as much as I intend to keep them around to soften the ends of trips; I just eat em long before I get the chance to use em as a crash pad. So I just avoid the lot
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If you have a problem with benzo self control, it is very wise to stay far away. As for GHB, to me it is the drug I have the least control over of any drug, it's SO MUCH better than alcohol. I can control opiate use better than GHB use, and that's really saying something. I even ODd on GHB last year and woke up in an ambulance. 2m2b is less desirable than alcohol in effects profile, for me anyway, it's substantially more sedating and less euphoric. But the very long duration makes it probably more dangerous if you do have self-control issues.
 
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But having somebody will make it easier to get through the times.
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I can't emphasize this enough to those of you out there struggling emotionally. Having someone there to hold you when you're falling is so much more important than some acid or shroom or ket trip to try and 'reset'...

I often worry about many of y'all, by and large a lot of PD social folks have been continuing down paths of excessive psychedelic use instead of choosing to focus on important life issues... and I get that, last year I tripped at least twice per week. I just feel like this year, being much more sober, I've been much more stable and some part of me is even learning to become content with life. I get a little 'high' when I drive my convertible, or hug my wife tightly, or watch a really well done movie. I'm still struggling with boughs of downer abuse but they're becoming fewer and further between.

I think it's very, very important that we all remember that life exists outside of drugs. I think I forgot that for a while... but maybe now I'm remembering to "choose life" (ugh *cringe* can't believe I typed that lol) more and more, and I don't think it's the wrong choice.
 
I have to definitely echo CG... I have been doing less drugs than I have in a long time, and it's been great rediscovering the natural highs and joys of life and human contact. I did trip this past weekend, but it was a lovely treat and it was much more satisfying because of that.
 
I'm at like 11 days since last benzo use, 40 something since opiates. Had some acid last week, which was very nice.

Also the longest break from weed I've had in a while too.

I've just been drinking one or two beers here and there, which isn't so bad in comparison.

Moderation? moi? Shocking.
 
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If you have a problem with benzo self control, it is very wise to stay far away. As for GHB, to me it is the drug I have the least control over of any drug, it's SO MUCH better than alcohol. I can control opiate use better than GHB use, and that's really saying something. I even ODd on GHB last year and woke up in an ambulance. 2m2b is less desirable than alcohol in effects profile, for me anyway, it's substantially more sedating and less euphoric. But the very long duration makes it probably more dangerous if you do have self-control issues.
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I tried GHB 3 times, and found it ineffective. 2 were from a reputable source, one time from a friend (tasted the same). I think the most i consumed was two grams if I recall correctly, but might have been 4
 
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Cream Gravy? said:
I can't emphasize this enough to those of you out there struggling emotionally. Having someone there to hold you when you're falling is so much more important than some acid or shroom or ket trip to try and 'reset'...

I often worry about many of y'all, by and large a lot of PD social folks have been continuing down paths of excessive psychedelic use instead of choosing to focus on important life issues... and I get that, last year I tripped at least twice per week. I just feel like this year, being much more sober, I've been much more stable and some part of me is even learning to become content with life. I get a little 'high' when I drive my convertible, or hug my wife tightly, or watch a really well done movie. I'm still struggling with boughs of downer abuse but they're becoming fewer and further between.

I think it's very, very important that we all remember that life exists outside of drugs. I think I forgot that for a while... but maybe now I'm remembering to "choose life" (ugh *cringe* can't believe I typed that lol) more and more, and I don't think it's the wrong choice.
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The thing about spending a lot of time here is that extreme drug use gets kinda normalized. I come from a middle class family, went to the best of schools, have a great degree and I became obsessed with drugs, collecting and taking which has brought quite a bit of problems into my life, both directly and indirectly. In psychedelics I found the ultimate way to be myself, express myself and escape from the superficiality of society, but it's more telling of a deep rooted loneliness.
I'm slowly taking steps away, or more like one step forward, two steps backward, the true challenge will be holding down a job and liking it.

But uh, screw etizolam, I still feel it.
 
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