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☮ Social ☮ PD Social Talk Thread: If 2020 Was the Dumpster, Can 2021 Be the Fire?

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they need to start giving people vvyanse everywhere instead of only like america.

Infact i believe d-amp should be a totally legal stimulant like caffeine. Why give us nicotine and caffiene and not d-amph. Though abuse could be rife.

I was doing 70 mg of pure d-amp a day during the height of my stim addiction i much prefered it to meth mainly cause meth really leaks through your pores and recks the body.

I find ritalin to be okay as long as you keep your dosage correct. Something about concerta formulations really fuck you up with side effects. Fuck concerta. Norvatis 10 mg ritalin pillls though i really like. Of course each adhd suffer will find the right medication for themselve and that is usually d-amp its so much better than methylphendiate.

Methylphendiate can acutally be neuroprotective vs dopamine damage from other stimulants though if i remember correctly.

Lol the price of dexies on the street here is fucking insane! without a script its really fucked and im glad i knew people with scripts who did not know the true price of the drugs i was taking so i got them pretty fucking cheap.

well the price of everything is over the top in NZ. Just some basic supermarket shopping can suddenly set you back easily $50 for what could amount to fuck all.
 
TripSitterNZ said:
modern goa has really good tracks. This set is fucking insane goa tracks really crazy visuals on acid. Fucking really next level on 300 ug + doses.
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That was awesome, thanks for sharing. Listened to the whole set. :) I looked for more goa playlists on Spotify to scratch the itch it left, but sadly most music labeled as such sounded more like generic modern psytrance than the genuine old-school goa sound in that video.

Anyone else remember Astral Projection? I was listening to these guys when I was too young to even know what psychedelics were:
 
TheAppleCore said:
That was awesome, thanks for sharing. Listened to the whole set. :) I looked for more goa playlists on Spotify to scratch the itch it left, but sadly most music labeled as such sounded more like generic modern psytrance than the genuine old-school goa sound in that video.

Anyone else remember Astral Projection? I was listening to these guys when I was too young to even know what psychedelics were:
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sadly that is the best goa set in existence imo. So fucking insane on acid really can take you deep.

Though other really good forest/dark sets are




on 700 ug i was dancing like a fucking crazy mad man at 5 am to the forest psy.

Though if you truly want really good psy sounds these days you have to go through the russian scene. truly on another level
 
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Buzz Lightbeer said:
I wouldn't like a world where half of the people are amped up, I'm all for legalization but I'd hate life if it ever were popular. Sounds miserable tbh.
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I'm kinda of the opinion that some of the shortcomings/anger in American society is due to extreme caffeine abuse. Everyone drinks energy drinks or coffee, and any time I know someone with a caffeine addiction (including myself) they act really moody and get pissed easily. I bet you if police dug through the car of every person pulled over for a speeding ticket they'd find empty cups/cans of energy drinks without fail. Caffeine is a hardcore drug when you pass green tea levels.
 
Whenever I'm not at work these days I'm reading about aMT I have finished almost every big and dandy thread at this point, suffice to say I'm obsessed with this drug. All I can tell you guys track it down if you haven't already you will not be disappointed. I'm gonna attempt to take a week or two off tho. Will trial some other new drugs to keep my mind occupied im really excited about this DOiP tomorrow I'm gonna dose it early in the day and clean the fuck outta my apartment its supposed to be raining all day. Then I will probably play Zelda for awhile and listen to music, chat with my friends on Bluelight. I hear that it lasts sorta short for a DOx around 14 hours. I've been holding on to it for awhile waiting for the right time and since I have two days off this seems as good as any just incase it keeps me up all nite like this family tends to do. Will probably take the DOF when I'm off next week most likely, I'm gonna take notes on both and put up trip reports if the day turns fruitful. My tolerance is kinda high so I'm gonna start with 10mgs of the DOiP and see if it reveals itself...
 
Wish I could get some amt all I can get is fake acid and K, and I just did, looking forward to my 4 hour window of oppertunity tonight to test the K it's one big 1,2 g crystal hope it's not meth as I have to take a piss test tomorrow
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
I wouldn't like a world where half of the people are amped up, I'm all for legalization but I'd hate life if it ever were popular. Sounds miserable tbh.
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What we want - IMO - is top down redesign of the human brain, so we're ALL amped up, excited empathic, enthusiastic to be alive. Confident to live the lives we wanna live, to contribute to the future majesty of human civilisation and everything that we could accomplish if we come together, us, these dumb blobby apes with brains that can build spaceships and fusion reactors and materials and substances that allow us to reshape our minds and our sense of self as well as the world around us, the wider universe, and eventually the stars themselves.

I've long maintained and believed that the default set point of wellbeing for an evolved being is not unchangeable, and substances are the earliest crude tools which will pave the way for the precision, consciousness engineering of the future to change what it is to be a sentient human being. The hedonic treadmill, in my view, is not an inevitable hamster wheel, the ups do not require the downs - at least, not the downs we have now. Given time, effort, experimentation, and human ingenuity, the baseline state of human consciousness will be one of perpetually motivated, passionate happiness, imbued with that special, magical appreciation of our place in the universe that only psychedelics can really give us now. The lows will be neutral spaces, accepted and temporary feelings to be dealt with, no more catastropic, self-reinforcing, or liable to lapse into cyclical, spiralling depression than a simple itch that needs to be scratched.

Drugs are the window into what reality could truly be, what it truly is, The reality we experience now is a mere shadow, a remnant of our crude, chaotic origins, not designed but emergent, imperfect - the experience of living is or at least can be an incredible thing, no doubt - but this is not the true baseline of reality, it does not need to be, and when we can truly start to change it, to bring baseline reality into alignment with the reality we've all glimpsed in the parallel otherworlds of the psychedelic experience, or indeed any other augmented, unnatural mode of consciousness - we should, and, I strongly believe, we can make it something that is not only beautiful, a privilege to live within, even if only for a moment, but a mode of consciousness that works, that human society can continue to function within, and thrive, but better.

That's my dream for the future of humanity, or, in fact, the future state of sentient consciousness in our universe - drugs give us a window into what is possible and - obvious valid counterpoints notwithstanding - those altered states are closer to true reality than what we think of as true reality now. The challenge is just engineering our minds to operate effectively and consistently within such an ascended state of being.
 
So far I'm quite open with telling people I met I am a recovering addict without getting judged yet. I think it's important to let people know so they can try understand what I have been up to and what I am trying to change. I have not worked a real job in a while aswell. Fuck I'm glad I got out of the game when I did cause so many folk I associated with ended up getting busted as time went on.
 
TripSitterNZ said:
So far I'm quite open with telling people I met I am a recovering addict without getting judged yet. I think it's important to let people know so they can try understand what I have been up to and what I am trying to change. I have not worked a real job in a while aswell. Fuck I'm glad I got out of the game when I did cause so many folk I associated with ended up getting busted as time went on.
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What can I say other than I feel the exact same way. There's a Tom Waits lyric: "everyone I used to know is either dead or in prison." Very real to me. Only one or two of my old running partners are still around, and we aren't close these days. The whole lifestyle is really for the young and if you don't get out of it by the time you hit 30 or so generally you're screwed. I recently wrote about my downfall elsewhere on Bluelight. It's about the same place people tend to end up, in one form or another.

On the other hand, some people manage to keep up recreational drug use as they get older. I'm not sure if I envy them or not. Generally they're people who lack some dark place inside that the addict has, I suppose. It's not simply a matter of mental illness or trauma; some addicts were initially better adjusted and had better lives than people who get away with it who may have plenty of stuff in their background.

For me it's not just addiction. Although I've been there, to the point of shaking so hard from alcohol WD that I could barely hold a glass without spilling what I needed to take care or the situation. That, or the transient bad flu that is opiate withdrawal—the physical part never was the difficulty for me, but rather the depression that would come later—none of it was really the problem. For me it was all about lifestyle and identity. Everything being centered on drugs, every social activity, every iota of self-concept. When you get sober and that is stripped barely, you really see the extent of things and how haked you really feel. Coming back from that is hard and is an ongoing process for me. That, and processing some traumatic experiences I had during my time in the drug world that I never really processed due to covering up with drugs all the time.

It's still hard for me to process that I was living such an extreme, dangerous lifestyle I was living for so many years—a kind of life that most people, my therapist included, just have no frame of reference for. Fortunately i have a good group of friends from AA, we get together and do normal person stuff. Sometimes we get into the war stories but more often we don't. It's good just to be around people who understand, and to start to reintegrate into regular straight society.

I've often thought there ought to be a 12 step program not per se for substances, but for the drug culture (and the drug business.) It's sort of its own thing, isn't? Even people from AA don't really always understand that part of it, but the thing is they are the most accepting people you'll find. I still think it would be an interesting thing to try to get people together who have had those kind of life experiences. They are a lot of them here.

In the couple of years since I was last very active here on PD in particularly, the character or the posters seems to have shifted a bit—older, a little more "critical" you could say of psychedelic experience and culture. I like seeing that. Obviously my peer group is aging but it seems to be attracting like minded new people as well. That kind of space is really needed and I'm glad that it's here. Reading my old posts, and those of others, is interesting and sometimes cringey by way of contrast. WALSTIB.
 
i think society as a whole its getting easier i noticed to openly talk about addiction without getting judged these days. I think it acutally helps to be able to openly talk about addiction to people so they can better understand where you come from. One of my friends said she she first met me she could tell i had been through some heavy stuff but was not sure what.

Last time during my benders it made me really depressed that i could not see the light everything seemed so dark and gloomy so i was heavily abusing so much drugs as an escape.

i would not be where i am today if i did not take all the lsd i did even if i abused it at points those trips where i abused it still had some meaning to avoid killing myself just to feel the joy of the lysergic realms.
 
SKL said:
In the couple of years since I was last very active here on PD in particularly, the character or the posters seems to have shifted a bit—older, a little more "critical" you could say of psychedelic experience and culture. I like seeing that. Obviously my peer group is aging but it seems to be attracting like minded new people as well. That kind of space is really needed and I'm glad that it's here. Reading my old posts, and those of others, is interesting and sometimes cringey by way of contrast. WALSTIB.
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Many people here are literal drug-veterans. You get to know the good and the bad along the way. And unless one is cynically enthusiastic, I suppose it makes sense to became critical, to rethink some stuff and come to you own conclusions.
 
Img_9999 said:
Many people here are literal drug-veterans. You get to know the good and the bad along the way. And unless one is cynically enthusiastic, I suppose it makes sense to became critical, to rethink some stuff and come to you own conclusions.
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Indeed. I really liked this thread as an example of this tendency. Not everyone gets to the critical phase, though. A lot of people into psychedelics remain remarkably uncritical about it, whether they're into crystal healing type woo or the teachings of whatever psychedelic teacher, new or old. This includes people who are into MAPS and stuff like that. With regards to the latter, I really liked this article that got posted in DITM and didn't get as much love as it should have. While I strongly disagree with Dmitri Mugianis on matters of both politics and religion (super nice guy though), he hit the nail on the head. I think it takes a certain kind of head to come to a critical perspective. Part of it is taking too much drugs over time and becoming vaguely cynical about it. Especially when you have essentially unlimited access (as was the case with people in certain music scenes, and, later, people with access to certain Internet forums) and a lot of opportunities to talk about it in an intellectual manner (characteristic of the latter, but very much not the former.) Part of it is growing up, sometimes through harsh life experiences, while doing all that.

People who are just starting out doing these drugs are often wide-eyed and naive about it. This evokes a certain amount of nostalgia for me, but also a certain amount of annoyance if I'm being honest. I'm not sure if giving these people a "user's manual" with a critical approach wound help things, but I'm certainly tempted to give them at least an earful. Maybe being able to take a step back and look at the whole elephant is only something you can do through lived experience, though.
 
i remember when i would tell myself the drugs were making me smarter including mdma lmao. but if i look back at the messages i sent people over the years of my heavy use i was truly out the gate fucking crazy nuts believing the most insane theories and telling anybody who would give me a second of their time lol. i was so unware of what i was doing how i thought since all the drugs just had me in my own world. Infact for a huge part i believed everybody in the world was on drugs since i was so deep in drug culture i could not fathom that alot of people acutally don't do hard drugs.

There are still some people though that freak out if u say you smoke weed. Let alone having tried nearly every drug under the fucking sun.

Psychedelics are a tough tool to use properly. Infact most casual users i.e teens will never even get the complete picture these days or at the first sign of something greater it scares the socks off them and they never return.

Psychedelics do get better as you get older.
 
I still love psychedelics and I maintain that they changed my life in a positive way and altered my perspective, but in my 20s I was all about shouting about the Glories of Psychedelics, Hallowed Be Thy Name, and I was hammering myself with large doses to try to destroy my sense of self over and over again, whereas these days I use them much more quietly and in lower doses, for more subtle reasons (to help keep up my sense of wonder at everyday life, to enhance music and art and nature, and to have good experiences with other people who want to trip together with me, for example at music festivals).

@SKL Part of it was youth, I mean we were all in our early/mid twenties or younger, and part of your 20s is being super loud and forceful about your beliefs and proselytizing. Also, for me and others on here anyway, the 2012 thing was a big deal back then, hehe.

bingey said:
Wish I could get some amt all I can get is fake acid and K,
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Wow I didn't know there was fake LSD anymore, there is so much good LSD crystal around these days and NBOMes are all banned, I don't think I could even find fake LSD if I tried.
 
these days im more quiet about lsd after some humbling experinces in life and realizing i need to be careful about who i introduce this chemical. But if i just mention it in passing and then said person really wants to try it out ill trip with them. Infact sometimes its people asking if i have ever done LSD since im in chemistry and what better way to try find LSD than to ask a chemist if you want to try it and don't know where to get it.

Psychedelics are very popular among undergrad chem students.

Anyways received some QC pics for my shoes from china was quite impressed at the quality

 
Img_9999 said:
Many people here are literal drug-veterans. You get to know the good and the bad along the way. And unless one is cynically enthusiastic, I suppose it makes sense to became critical, to rethink some stuff and come to you own conclusions.
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Sounds like..... psychedelics? :D
I do still feel like a noob in the face of psychedelics, most of it stems from an inability to fully let go physically, which is an extension of the mental game. I circumvent by moving a lot.
 
been able to let go of everything is very important indeed and allows the trip to go the next level where your very body can dissolve into energy and you become some floating point of consciouness aware of it all but not attached to anything really can take you deep. Though that feeling of having your body dissolved is very strange indeed and almost painful? like complete annihilation. I have had it happen with my eyes open and reality just unzips and suddenly you are gone in a sea of bliss.
 
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