Oh yes, yes it did.
I'll contribute more remarks when less stoned. I am watching Spartacus, I really would love a pair of beautiful male and female body servants to joyfully do my bidding. Goddamn human rights.
Looking forward to it.
And I haven't seen Spartacus, but that does sound nice lol.
@Transformation fetish, that is something I've never ever heard of before, and find the praxis of it pretty hard to imagine, but it still makes sense to me because it comes to show how important the "spiritual" aspect of sex is; Sex isn't just mechanical stimulation, our whole psyche is involved in the act, our story, our intellect, our wholes personas come into play.
Yeah, it's not really the kind of fetish you can generally put into practice, one of those restricted to fantasy, but very appealing nonetheless. Plus, that is part of what makes the psychedelics so great too.... It may not be literally possible to transform, but it's all the same to you if you're tripping too hard to tell the difference. You essentially can realize it from your own perspective, at least enough to enjoy the feeling while it lasts.
I would agree with that too, the spiritual and psychological aspects of sexuality have always been very important to me, probably more so than the physical aside from the fact that that part is pretty much required in practice.... That's why things like erotic hypnosis appeal to me too, that idea of full psychological submission practically to the point of mind control just takes it to another level. There's so much more to it than just what you can do with your body, though that's pretty open for exploration too! I've heard about for instance things like increasing or decreasing the tactile intensity of physical touch on any body part you choose, that kind of stuff sounds pretty fun to work with....
I found that post extremely fascinating, Kaleida. I had absolutely no idea anything like that was possible. Thanks for being so open with us. It's a shame that such subjects are taboo ordinarily, because as swilow said, it's an incredibly broad subject, and there's a lot to think about. I'm actually kind of jealous, haha. By your description, it seems that highly elaborate fantasies can develop around the central theme of transformation, which would be interesting to explore, as a creative exercise.
No problem, I'm happy to share my story.
I enjoy talking about these sorts of things when people genuinely don't know and are interested in learning too, there really are so many aspects of consciousness that we as a society understand so poorly and I'll do whatever I can to help spread knowledge about the specific far reaches of the mind I personally call home. And yeah, it really is a shame that some people reject these kinds of discussions, but I can at least understand why something like a transformation fetish might be difficult for current mainstream society to get wrapped around, and I acknowledge that it's probably not the under-recognized group in most significant need of help and recognition right now. For now, I am just happy I can occasionally find people who can dig it.
Jealousy is a new reaction for me, haha. When I was growing up I was of course like most bothered to be so different and unusual, and when I did talk to people about it there was usually either confusion or much interest, but not many could relate much, at least not people I met outside of the internet communities. These days I couldn't give a flying fuck, and I'm proud of my vivid and abstract imagination. The fantasies can indeed be highly elaborate, that's an understatement.... When I was still experimenting with all the different subtypes of transformations particularly things could get pretty out there.
The statue one was fun; I'd have ones where a demon kidnapped me and turned me into silver or gold and kept me in a lavish trophy room with all his other girls, or ones where I was a witch fighting a hero who would shove a magical sword down my throat that turned me to stone, or ones where I was the hero with super powers and the villain turned me to ice and shattered me. Possession is another really fun one that can easily include situations comparable to the typical rape fantasy, like being chased and held down but then having them enter you spiritually instead like dissolving into smoke and being inhaled by you and feeling their mind overtake yours. I also actually quite enjoy the dominant role in possession fantasies though, and I've had a lot of fun with things for instance where my mind starts off in a locket that a beautiful girl gets and I slowly take over her body. They can often be combined as well, like I said I enjoy the thought of being eaten and absorbed into someone, but I've also had fantasies where I did the eating and absorbing and then used that to shapeshift into them.
Yeah, I could keep giving examples for ages.... The possibilities are pretty much endless!
When I was young (less than ten years old), long before I ever properly masturbated, one of my favorite games was "snake", in which I somehow found a way of tightly rolling myself up in a blanket, like a corn-dog, and fantasized that I was being constricted by a giant snake, who would eventually eat me alive. :D I didn't object to being eaten one bit; in fact it's my earliest memory of experiencing some vague sexual stimulation. However, I eventually lost interest with it.
That's awesome, haha. Yeah, that's pretty much what it's like. :D I've had snake fantasies before too, and much creepier things that you'd probably never imagine being in a sexual fantasy too. >.> There's an opposite to being eaten too: the orifice invasion possession. Some kind of creepy crawly, usually an alien scorpion or crab like thing for me, though also sometimes snakes as well, making their way inside you somehow (usually genitally), setting up shop, and taking you over. Of course, sometimes it's just people too! It's fun thinking of someone wearing you like a suit, I particularly like it when it's a guy significantly bigger than I am and the most orgasmic moment is when my totally stretched out body compresses back into prefect form as he totally adjusts and I go from the feeling of extreme tension to suddenly knowing that I am completely and totally his and just giving in. Mmm....
Perhaps you are correct in your hypothesis that transformation is closely tied into the reward mechanisms of the human brain. Although I wouldn't describe myself as having a transformation fetish, I suspect that my attraction to body modification shares a common root with it; after all, it is a kind of willful bodily transformation. A psychedelic might be capable of opening me up to the possibility of deriving pleasure from a genuine transformation fantasy, however. I'll probably think about it the next time I trip.
Well, I'll definitely be looking forward to hearing how that goes!
I think you may be on to something too. Ironically for this thread things like tattoos never really did much for me just on their own, but there is a certain type of thing like this I derive pleasure from, and it also connects directly to psychedelics. This however is less a direct fantasy realization like the first thing, and instead is not so much something I fantasized about but just something that I enjoy because it overlaps with some of those desires, but also with other instinctive and sexual desires like power and physical confidence.
Specifically, it's the "lesser" transforming of psychedelics, not the way you completely change identities, but just the your own image becomes highly malleable, when you can pretty much perceive yourself in whatever hedonistic way you want, and involving much more psychedelic imagery than the full identity switch. For example, on AL-LAD I became a TV actress I'm familiar with wearing normal clothes, whereas on 4-HO-MET I remained myself but perceived myself to be wearing an extremely trippy and abstract flowing dress and jewelry. Due to this way the patterns themselves take on erotic elements, I can very much understand the same kind of concepts for tattoos, just on skin instead of clothes. So yes, I would definitely say I could see that applying to transformation desires!
Have you tried DMT yet Kaleida?? I can't remember. If not, that should definitely be on your list. From all the psyches I've tried, that one strikes me as easily the most capable of producing powerful transformation fantasies. In fact I even remember reading a trip report here (bluedolphin's, was it?) where he described DMT transforming him from a man to a woman.
I have used DMT a pretty good number of times, but unfortunately not in years, and at the time I last had it I still wasn't fully comfortable opening up to these powerful experiences, so consequently I was never able to have this kind of really full trip on it. I really, really want to though. I have heard very good things about it in this way before though too.
I actually once made a work friend who I offered DMT when I had it, and in their trip they became a frog who began remembering and then re-experiencing his past life as an adult male human carpenter, but this friend who smoked the DMT was apparently female. However, I later learned that they were actually an in the closet transman and had never had that kind of experience before. That felt pretty cool.
Salvia for the ultimate transformation fetishist .
Absolutely, salvia is one of my favorite drugs.
And I still haven't even gone that far with it yet really. I haven't turned into an inanimate object on it yet like I've heard so many report, but I'm definitely interested in exploring it even more for that reason. How else am I going to get to become a bathing suit? Psychedelics seem more people and animal oriented. Unfortunately, salvia has been illegal here for years and there's no market for it.
Oh yeah I forgot to add re: your description of 4-HO-DPT having a dark, seductive nature. That comment seems to have rattled around in my brain and I had to come back to mention - I haven't tried 4-HO-DPT to contrast, but that description fits DPT really well too IMO. H.R. Geiger-esque perhaps.
Yeah, I'm looking at some of that art now and I can definitely see it touching upon that.
And like you said above too without the creepy part, just that erotic spiritual vibe. The mask-like faces and hands reaching out at me are especially common in those kinds of trips.... The imagery does give it sort of a dark or ghostly vibe overall but it's only perceived as pleasant, line seeing happy faces all around me and being caressed over every inch of my body at once. What could be so scary about that?
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