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Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

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because its NOT 1 SIZE FITS ALL


you're a marxist if you think otherwise

you don't pressure people

you don't dangle carrots in front of their noses

you don't threaten to take things away if they don't


you leave people alone and you let them decide for themselves - that's what you do

the big push

thats what it is

lets get everybody to do something stupid all at once

together

one world
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but it saves lives!

yea fuck you too

and we got people here actually trying to compare this to smallfuckingpox

its a cold that can get a little rough - it can kill ya but most likely it wont.....

we dont need to talk about polio, or smallpox, measles - it's not even close to those - so why do i gotta keep hearing these comparisons?


you want me to get an experimental novel "vaccine" to test out on the novel virus

and you want me to do that for you, not me - you want me to test it out - for the rest of the planet

so ya know


im probably not gonna get the shot

in case you thought otherwise

🙂
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
No because the smallpox vaccine was great
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known adverse reactions to the smallpox vaccine included death and encephalitis. adverse reactions requiring time out of work/school were far more common than n the case of the covid vaccines.
Mr. Krinkle said:
Polio shot im thinking we can stop that for now, since their hasn't been a case of polio in the USA since 1979
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measels was eradicted in the usa until people stopped getting vaccinated in sufficient numbers.

no one is comparing sars-cov2 to those viruses, just asking you to be consistent, because all vaccines have severe adverse reactions.

10-20% of those confirmed infected with sars-cov2 are experiencing serious symptoms 5 (in the case of 20% ) to 12 (in the case of 10% ) weeks after diagnosis. some can barely walk a year later. most of those with long covid did not have a severe initial illness. that's not a 'cold that can get a bit rough'
 
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Measles was never eradicated from the U.S.

that was just an over-zealous statement after having a run for 12 months with no transmissible cases

it's actually still considered "eliminated" in the US because there hasn't been a breakout for longer than a year


so ya know...they call it "eliminated" even tho it really isn't


so then we can go into the whole thing of trying to compare covid to smallpox

smallpox killed 30% of ppl who caught it...those who lived, were scarred and disfigured for life......you're not trying to tell me covid and smallpox are in the same category are ya?

they just shouldn't even be compared so i'll just stop there and leave this instread:


For example, the high proportion of infected but totally asymptomatic persons has made containment challenging, to say the least. In some cases, the proportion of infected persons feeling absolutely well can approach almost 90%.86 For example, a COVID-19 outbreak occurred on a cruise ship departing Ushuaia in the province of Tierra del Fuego, Argentina, and navigating to the Antarctic peninsula. Sampling the entire population on board revealed that a vast majority had contracted the infection, but 80% of them were asymptomatic patients.86 Another tricky characteristic of the virus is that infected patients expelled virus particles through their respiratory tract, primarily during the early phases of the incubation period before they became symptomatic.
 
i just feel like im getting lured into a different argument here anyway

i mean you want me to be consistent on all of the pandemics in history, and all of the vaccines in history, when that's just not really what im talking about

we don't give the smallpox vaccines anymore - so what's the point of even talking about it now? we're talking about a disease that went on for hundreds of years and killed miliion upon millions.....but you want me to be consistent on something that's completely different

why because i won't take the official stance of an anti-vaxxer because im not really?....it depends on what we're talking about - so im probably never gonna sound consistent when each case is different


theres a chance this goes the way the Spanish Flu went....and where was that vaccine to save the day? what happened there? was it because pretty much everybody was exposed anyway? isn't that what we have going on right now?
 
chinup said:
no one is comparing sars-cov2 to those viruses, just asking you to be consistent, because all vaccines have severe adverse reactions.
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Mr. Krinkle said:
so then we can go into the whole thing of trying to compare covid to smallpox
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if you are going to willfully misinterpret me then there is no point.

in response to what you just posted- spanish flu killed 50 million people. if we had the techology we had today and developed an effective vaccine quickly enough then that death toll would have been much lower. the purpose of the covid vaccines and safety measures is to avoid a comparable death toll. by opposing the vaccines, which have been proven to reduce transmissibility, you're basically implying you are fine with millions more deaths.
 
No i disagree with that too - vaccines wouldn't have saved the day then either...

if we had antibiotics back then, that would've saved more lives by far by treating secondary bacterial infections
 
I mean but cmon with this too

if there wasn't a world war at the time, would it have been what it was? it killed more soldiers than enemy gun fire, and probably because of trench warfare

too many variables
 
there was still a lot of people moving around the globe. ffs it was discovered in the USA where there was no fighting going on. you can't blame the death toll on the conditions in the trenches.

flu vaccines that are only partially effective against the dominant strain save tens-hundreds of thousands of lives per year so i'm pretty sure one would have made a heavy dent.
 
so now they can only say "we don't know why it went away" where if the shot showed up at the end, they wouldve claimed victory there

we know how that goes
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
so now they can only say "we don't know why it went away" where if the shot showed up at the end, they wouldve claimed victory there
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i thought enough people became infected that they were immune and therefore no longer vectors for transmission. herd immunity via killing 50 million people. if you learned some basic epidemiology and coding you could very easily model how it would have gone with the introduction of a vaccine and the predicted death toll in that hypothetical situation would be much lower.
 
chinup said:
i thought enough people became infected that they were immune and therefore no longer vectors for transmission. herd immunity via killing 50 million people. if you learned some basic epidemiology and coding you could very easily model how it would have gone with the introduction of a vaccine and the predicted death toll in that hypothetical situation would be much lower.
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Ok - im not gonna waste my time arguing about something hypothetical that didn't happen or could've happened or might have happened
 
oh so you will just make hypothetical claims that don't stand up to scrutiny and then when someone suggests a way you could validate your own hypothetical claims about something that didn't happen, you'll use the hypotheticality as a reason not to engage. lol.
 
chinup said:
oh so you will just make hypothetical claims that don't stand up to scrutiny and then when someone suggests a way you could validate your own hypothetical claims about something that didn't happen, you'll use the hypotheticality as a reason not to engage. lol.
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well you wanna argue about the 1918 spanish flu and how a vaccine would've saved everybody, IF, they wouldve developed one quickly enough

that's a big IF

i mean like what happens in this hypothetical scenario? the flu starts and then a month later, there's a proven vaccine to stop it dead in it's tracks?

it's stupid to argue about, that's all im saying, my love :love:
 
Anyone not see this coming, nor expect additional states to 'revise' their COVID death counts?

California county cuts COVID-19 death toll by 25% after finding some deaths 'clearly not' caused by virus


Neetu Balram, a spokesperson for Alameda County Public Health, said that some of the deaths "were clearly not caused by COVID," the Los Angeles Times reported.

"Obviously our definition was broader than the state’s," Balram said, adding that the department had always planned to conduct an update "when cases and deaths stabilized."

The alternative causes of death were not provided.

"We knew any change like this would have raised some eyebrows," Alameda County health officer Nicholas Moss told the Oaklandside. "Nothing about this changes our policy decisions now or during the height of the pandemic."

Dr. Amesh Adalja, an infectious disease expert and senior scholar at Johns Hopkins, said the adjustments were expected but the amount "seems high."
 
said that some of the deaths "were clearly not caused by COVID,"

i mean cmon with this....CLEARLY not caused by covid

it doesn't look odd that we have by far the highest death toll?

it's because everybody's obese in the US lol
 
Dropperneck said:
It’s funny because everyone on this site likely knew about this before it was known by the establishment. An interesting take away is this article goes under the fake news assumption that covid wasn’t developed in wuhan still, what’s that tell you about how informed you really are..
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He goes further than that in 14 months of reporting and almost 40 years covering Big Pharma and its favorite bureaucratic stooge, DC"s highest paid civil servant Anthony Fauci. By the way China loves the Wuhan lab leak story for two reasons at least. It amplifies and reinforces the fraud that this is a catastrophic disease, despite a median age of death according to health agencies across 10 industrialized countries of >80 with 96% of victims suffering an average of 2.6 other serious end-stage illnesses (CDC).
It keeps the focus squarely on the corruption and duplicity of United States officials and not on the CCP's propaganda campaign selling lockdowns to the rest of the world using footage of people lying dead in the streets fully clothed and masked like statues, something that happened nowhere else in the world. Given how tightly controlled Chinese media is the probability is high those images were either faked or the real product of perhaps an accidental release of fentanyl from Wuhan's state-controlled Chemical Company and the world's number one supplier of fentanyl and it's far more potent chemical cousins.

Interesting note: China quietly reopened in April last year, and Wuhan was having huge events including a concert with tens of thousands of people, few if any wearing masks.

I don't know what's happening but given the widespread devastation of lockdowns to lives and economies across the world everything drummed into the public by all major media is suspect, including the claim that there is a virus. It's easy to use the PCR test at 35 cycles and above to produce positives as many as you need to frighten people. That's why Sweden, which never was locked down or imposed mask mandates does not test asymptomatic people. Kary Mullis, who won the chemistry Nobel prize for inventing the polymerase chain reaction, said it should never be employed for diagnosis of any disease in the absence of clinical observation of symptoms. Here he is giving his opinion of Fauci:

 
Mr. Krinkle said:
it doesn't look odd that we have by far the highest death toll?
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The US doesn't have the highest deaths per million from COVID-19.
It currently ranks 12th in the world.

1. Peru
2. Hungary
3. Bosnia
4. Czechia
5. Bulgaria
6. Brazil
7. Belgium
8. Slovenia
9. Italy
10. Poland
11. UK
12. USA

If you meant California, the state ranks 31st.

Americans have a tendency to assume they are the centre of the universe.
 
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darvocet21 said:
He goes further than that in 14 months of reporting and almost 40 years covering Big Pharma and its favorite bureaucratic stooge, DC"s highest paid civil servant Anthony Fauci. By the way China loves the Wuhan lab leak story for two reasons at least. It amplifies and reinforces the fraud that this is a catastrophic disease, despite a median age of death according to health agencies across 10 industrialized countries of >80 with 96% of victims suffering an average of 2.6 other serious end-stage illnesses (CDC).
It keeps the focus squarely on the corruption and duplicity of United States officials and not on the CCP's propaganda campaign selling lockdowns to the rest of the world using footage of people lying dead in the streets fully clothed and masked like statues, something that happened nowhere else in the world. Given how tightly controlled Chinese media is the probability is high those images were either faked or the real product of perhaps an accidental release of fentanyl from Wuhan's state-controlled Chemical Company and the world's number one supplier of fentanyl and it's far more potent chemical cousins.

Interesting note: China quietly reopened in April last year, and Wuhan was having huge events including a concert with tens of thousands of people, few if any wearing masks.

I don't know what's happening but given the widespread devastation of lockdowns to lives and economies across the world everything drummed into the public by all major media is suspect, including the claim that there is a virus. It's easy to use the PCR test at 35 cycles and above to produce positives as many as you need to frighten people. That's why Sweden, which never was locked down or imposed mask mandates does not test asymptomatic people. Kary Mullis, who won the chemistry Nobel prize for inventing the polymerase chain reaction, said it should never be employed for diagnosis of any disease in the absence of clinical observation of symptoms. Here he is giving his opinion of Fauci:

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Don't you know anyone, or know someone or knows someone, or at the very least know someone who knows someone who knows someone who died from covid? My parents and their friends are in their mid to late 60s had 3 friends die before 2021 started
 
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