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Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

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@Mr. Krinkle

The unpleasant tone is unnecessary. I didn't say I was an expert and I didn't say I know what the perfect response is, but - clearly - other countries have handled it better.

Uncontrolled outbreaks in places like India are inevitable and unavoidable, because of high population density and high levels of poverty.

What excuse does the US have?
Stubbornness? Ignorance?
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
And what the fuck was the perfect response supposed to be since you're an expert in knowing what should've been done?
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the perfect response isn't possible, as its subjective to some extent- some people think its better to let people die than lose freedoms. but i highly suggest you look at the work done my carter mecher et al regarding the reasons for differences between death rates in the 1918 pandemic, comparing i.e. philadelphia (massive death rate, kids bodies stacked outside the morgue) to st louis (much better, locked down immediately).

furthermore, the responses to SARS- shut down/tracking stopped it in it tracks. and other novel diseases- mexico city took immediate action on a novel sine flu, the US did not and dodged a bullet by fluke.

there are people who have studied this in depth and world expert modellers lke neil ferguson. trump and johnson ignored their advice and people died as a result.
 
@chinup

Indeed. It's incredible that people still insist masks don't work and lockdowns don't work when we have data that is literally over 100 years old and proves the opposite.

the perfect response isn't possible, as its subjective to some extent- some people think its better to let people die than lose freedoms
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My perfect response is a balance of freedom and preventing death. The Australian attitude is to save all lives no matter what the cost. This is as flawed as the Swedish approach, but - still - I'd rather live in Australia and not worry about vulnerable people I know dying on me.
 
darvocet21 said:
I know someone who knows someone whose family member died and covid was put on the death certificate when they had terminal cancer
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Look, I think there is too much hysteria and some places are going too far with restrictions/lockdowns, but it's not a harmless disease or a hoax. It's closer to the flu than to, say, ebola, or regular SARS, but it still kills a lot more people than the flu. Believe me if you want, you probably won't because it doesn't fit your narrative, but my aunt, cousin, and 3 of my mom's friends died from COVID. One of them was obese with diabetes (my aunt), so there was a complicating factor. But my cousin (who lived with her), had no underlying conditions and was 45. Both of them came down with it, developed the "glass lung", ended up on ventilators and died. Took my cousin longer to die but still happened. My mom's friends were age 65-80, so old, yes. But no underlying conditions other than age. Age 65 isn't that old especially when healthy. Telling people that their loved ones who died actually died from something else when that is just an assumption you're making because you want to believe lockdowns and masks are a conspiracy is kind of a slap in the face.

I also have a friend of a friend who has "long COVID" and is experiencing neurological and fatigue issues months later, and we have a BLer I know of who had the same, not sure if he's all back to normal or not yet.

I also got COVID. it sucked but was basically like the flu with worse body aches and no nausea/diarrhea whatsoever, not a big deal. It's not a big deal for most people but I have never known anyone who has died from the flu before, personally (I know there are plenty of flu deaths every year). When was the last time you've heard of a 45 year old with no underlying conditions dying from the flu?
 
oh yea

China always tells the truth...they only had a few cases - im glad you believe that too


and yea - hide, just to prolong the inevitable - lock everybody down - it'll go away just like that if we all hide

their was no perfect response, geniuses
 
oh well

US this and US that.....im not the one pointing the finger at their great country's about how great they do everything where they live....
 
Xorkoth said:
Look, I think there is too much hysteria and some places are going too far with restrictions/lockdowns, but it's not a harmless disease or a hoax. It's closer to the flu than to, say, ebola, or regular SARS, but it still kills a lot more people than the flu. Believe me if you want, you probably won't because it doesn't fit your narrative, but my aunt, cousin, and 3 of my mom's friends died from COVID. One of them was obese with diabetes (my aunt), so there was a complicating factor. But my cousin (who lived with her), had no underlying conditions and was 45. Both of them came down with it, developed the "glass lung", ended up on ventilators and died. Took my cousin longer to die but still happened. My mom's friends were age 65-80, so old, yes. But no underlying conditions other than age. Age 65 isn't that old especially when healthy. Telling people that their loved ones who died actually died from something else when that is just an assumption you're making because you want to believe lockdowns and masks are a conspiracy is kind of a slap in the face.

I also have a friend of a friend who has "long COVID" and is experiencing neurological and fatigue issues months later, and we have a BLer I know of who had the same, not sure if he's all back to normal or not yet.

I also got COVID. it sucked but was basically like the flu with worse body aches and no nausea/diarrhea whatsoever, not a big deal. It's not a big deal for most people but I have never known anyone who has died from the flu before, personally (I know there are plenty of flu deaths every year). When was the last time you've heard of a 45 year old with no underlying conditions dying from the flu?
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I have no reason to doubt anyone's personal experience or diminish the tragedy of any premature death.

As I said: I don't claim to know what's happening. But I put the burden of proof on the government & corporations and view any widely repeated narrative w/ skepticism, especially when it's in lockstep (e.g. the safety & efficacy of experimental vaccines without long-term studies, especially for children), regardless of the issue or what political party is in power. I've been that way since the US/UK launched a disastrous war in Iraq based on the lie about nuclear WMDs

I don't need a conspiracy theorist to tell me declaring millions of small businesses and workers "non-essential" hugely benefits major corporations like Big Tech who in turn censors and deplatforms critics of lockdowns.... or that wearing a dirty cloth or surgical face mask all day is useless against viruses but causes all sorts of negative effects like headaches, dizziness and heightened risk of bacterial infections. I just used common sense
 
Skorpio said:
Mullins is definately a loose cannon. Same camp is John C. Lily honestly.
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in that case Tony Fauci should have debated him and would have crushed him, since Lilly was unable to form coherent sentences in his later years and had to be looked after by others
 
I used to blame people too. It was kind of embarrassing. I used to blame my girlfriend for having a thought- oops.

I also used to poop out conspiracies every once in a while too with big, extreme numbers. Usually the bigger and more sevens and sixes, sometimes eights and nines, the better. Of course, all in all I think all I really did for myself was make my passwords easier to hack. It was really fun, though, stating things that were very close to false (at least from my end [they didn't know that]) and then throwing in really bizarre dates was good too.

I think I grew out of it
 
darvocet21 said:
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I don't need a conspiracy theorist to tell me declaring millions of small businesses and workers "non-essential" hugely benefits major corporations like Big Tech who in turn censors and deplatforms critics of lockdowns.... or that wearing a dirty cloth or surgical face mask all day is useless against viruses but causes all sorts of negative effects like headaches, dizziness and heightened risk of bacterial infections. I just used common sense
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As a pretty far left liberal I'm gonna say something and agree with you that would get me destroyed on a place like reddit on Twitter.

The lock downs and restrictions have gone to far at this point. They were a valid precaution in the beginning when hospitals were filling up and we didn't know what we were dealing with amd and had no vaccine.

Restrictions against business are being weponized by big money that recieved a 2 trillion dollar wealth transfer from the working class as a result of the pandemic.

They are using it to obliterate small business and hand the entire economy over to Amazon et al. Democrats, are supporting it and it really sickens me.

Republicans I hate for a number of reasons including their desire to obliterate the lower class, minorities, and their grotesque religiously based social policies.

With this pandemic it's clearer than ever that the democratic establishment wants to obliterate the middle class.

I will continue to select the lesser of two evils based only on social ideology because both sides are out to destroy anyone that isn't a corporation...but democrats have certainly shown they are willing to weaponize the pandemic against the middle class which was a big let down but not a surprise. I would love to see a progressive socialist party take power. Call the democrats communists all you want....they are a right wing hiding behind social issues to camouflage themselves as left wing.

I sympathize with Republicans being pro small business or at least saying they are. If they weren't so infected with religious amd racist leaders I would entertain them possibly.

As far as masks....they do work. Thats why surgeons use them. If it's something that can help avoid another spike and and actual legitimate need for a shutdown....just wear the stupid fucking mask it's not gonna kill you like it doesn't kill a surgeon. Seems like they're gonna fuck over small business regardless of weather there is a spike or not though.
 
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Blowmonkey said:
I even have your batsoup recipe!
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B-b-batsoup?
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You're through soup nazi, pack it up, NEXT!
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yum 😄
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It'd be funnier if there'd be no deaths, but yeah, what can you do. Sorry, gross.
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Loved the Soup Nazi, that was the best! No soup for you today!
 
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Zuda said:
Same. Not because I've been deciding to stick in one place. It's mostly just circumstantial for me. I have some good friends who live there and my great-grandma is buried there too now. Can't wait for my next visit :) Memphis is one of my favorite cities
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Yep, some of us live here too
 
LucidSDreamr said:
As a pretty far left liberal I'm gonna say something and agree with you that would get me destroyed on a place like reddit on Twitter.

The lock downs and restrictions have gone to far at this point. They were a valid precaution in the beginning when hospitals were filling up and we didn't know what we were dealing with amd and had no vaccine.

Restrictions against business are being weponized by big money that recieved a 2 trillion dollar wealth transfer from the working class as a result of the pandemic.

They are using it to obliterate small business and hand the entire economy over to Amazon et al. Democrats, are supporting it and it really sickens me.

Republicans I hate for a number of reasons including their desire to obliterate the lower class, minorities, and their grotesque religiously based social policies.

With this pandemic it's clearer than ever that the democratic establishment wants to obliterate the middle class.

I will continue to select the lesser of two evils based only on social ideology because both sides are out to destroy anyone that isn't a corporation...but democrats have certainly shown they are willing to weaponize the pandemic against the middle class which was a big let down but not a surprise. I would love to see a progressive socialist party take power. Call the democrats communists all you want....they are a right wing hiding behind social issues to camouflage themselves as left wing.

I sympathize with Republicans being pro small business or at least saying they are. If they weren't so infected with religious amd racist leaders I would entertain them possibly.

As far as masks....they do work. Thats why surgeons use them. If it's something that can help avoid another spike and and actual legitimate need for a shutdown....just wear the stupid fucking mask it's not gonna kill you like it doesn't kill a surgeon. Seems like they're gonna fuck over small business regardless of weather there is a spike or not though.
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Social media encourages the kind of behavior most people won't stand for very long in their real-life relationships. It rewards users with influence and a veneer of credibility for being jerks. It reinforces conformity, divisiveness, narrow-minded intellectual laziness, smugness, groupthink, and intolerance of alternative viewpoints, philosophies and life experiences to the point of wanting to discredit and defame people holding them. Apart from that it's OK

I'm something of a refugee from Twitter myself, though I'm still using it I've cut way back since rediscovering Bluelight, which almost entirely eliminated my cravings. My mood and attitude continue to improve and I'm even slowly becoming less of a jerk
 
darvocet21 said:
Social media encourages the kind of behavior most people won't stand for very long in their real-life relationships. It rewards users with influence and a veneer of credibility for being jerks. It reinforces conformity, divisiveness, narrow-minded intellectual laziness, smugness, groupthink, and intolerance of alternative viewpoints, philosophies and life experiences to the point of wanting to discredit and defame people holding them. Apart from that it's OK

I'm something of a refugee from Twitter myself, though I'm still using it I've cut way back since rediscovering Bluelight, which almost entirely eliminated my cravings. My mood and attitude continue to improve and I'm even slowly becoming less of a jerk
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I became estranged from my entire family due to social media. When I saw all the racist and anti-poor shit they would post, it made me lose total respect for them. I'm not poor at all so it's not like I was personally offended.

It was stuff that I knew they believed but they never really voiced it too much out loud so I wasn't riled up about it or had it on my mind.

Then I saw them saying this stuff everyday and havnt spoken to my parents or other family since amd this was a couple years ago.

It certainly damaged society but it also let everybody see who everybody really is on the inside..mso I'm not sure if it's good or bad to know the truth or if ignorance is bliss is better.
 
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