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its interesting that, with the exception of italy which has a large populist/far right movement, of the governments i know of from countries on that list, i.e. hungary, brazil, poland, UK, USA- they all had extreme right wing ideologues in power when this hit.

hilariously prior to all this the USA had ranked itself number 1 at pandemic preparedness with the UK number 2. whoever made those rankings was clearly assuming a political will to act and deluding themselves that the citizens of those countries would voluntarily take basic measures to protect themselves and others.
 
I know someone who knows someone whose family member died and covid was put on the death certificate when they had terminal cancer
 
Beside bumping the rate of covid-deaths, i don't know why they did that, probably money, though it was already paid with the cancer treatment i guess, otherwise it's a mistake. In any case i imagine they can do a reclamation to court or whatever.. :)
 
@chinup

My version of extreme right is obviously different from yours (if you're including the UK and the USA as extreme right) but I agree with the second bit. Both countries have utterly failed their people... although I'm only saying that because I lean left on this particular topic.

I understand anti-vax people. I am not convinced that it is beneficial long term for our species to try and edit how we interact with nature to such extremes. In Australia, kids get something like 26 vaccinations in the first couple of years of their life. Not 26 individual jabs, but 26 vaccines. That's a lot. I might have the number wrong, but when my daughter had them it was way higher than the US vaccination program for children.

I understand anti-mask people too. Masks fucking suck. I have to wear them at work. They make my beard itch. They make interacting with difficult clients more difficult. There is no point in wearing them.

I understand the anti-lockdown people. I can't go further than 10km (6 miles) from my house without being questioned and fined. Last week it was 5km. I can't put my family in the car and drive to my beach house (which is unoccupied) even if we don't stop on the way. They don't trust us to do the right thing, so they take away our rights.

This virus has been fucking hard and everyone wants someone to blame. Doesn't matter if you blame China or Trump or the left or the right, most people are pointing the finger somewhere.

There's no point in this ongoing discussion other than people irritating each other. It's too soon. People are too sensitive about this fucking virus to be able to see straight.

There are valid arguments on both sides.

We are entering unprecedented territory with this new vaccine situation. Adults are going to have (what?) at least a jab of something a year? For how long?

I don't believe we're going to get rid of this virus. It's the new flu. I never really thought twice about getting my flu jab in the past, but I don't want to keep getting vaccinated every 6 months indefinitely. It fucking sucks.

Unfortunately, there is no alternative.

I understand all the arguments, but - at the end of the day - people are dying.
Climate change is caused by too many people but we still have to save them. We can't leave people to die. That's a line we don't need to step over yet.

It's going to get worse before it gets better.
 
darvocet21 said:
He goes further than that in 14 months of reporting and almost 40 years covering Big Pharma and its favorite bureaucratic stooge, DC"s highest paid civil servant Anthony Fauci. By the way China loves the Wuhan lab leak story for two reasons at least. It amplifies and reinforces the fraud that this is a catastrophic disease, despite a median age of death according to health agencies across 10 industrialized countries of >80 with 96% of victims suffering an average of 2.6 other serious end-stage illnesses (CDC).
It keeps the focus squarely on the corruption and duplicity of United States officials and not on the CCP's propaganda campaign selling lockdowns to the rest of the world using footage of people lying dead in the streets fully clothed and masked like statues, something that happened nowhere else in the world. Given how tightly controlled Chinese media is the probability is high those images were either faked or the real product of perhaps an accidental release of fentanyl from Wuhan's state-controlled Chemical Company and the world's number one supplier of fentanyl and it's far more potent chemical cousins.

Interesting note: China quietly reopened in April last year, and Wuhan was having huge events including a concert with tens of thousands of people, few if any wearing masks.

I don't know what's happening but given the widespread devastation of lockdowns to lives and economies across the world everything drummed into the public by all major media is suspect, including the claim that there is a virus. It's easy to use the PCR test at 35 cycles and above to produce positives as many as you need to frighten people. That's why Sweden, which never was locked down or imposed mask mandates does not test asymptomatic people. Kary Mullis, who won the chemistry Nobel prize for inventing the polymerase chain reaction, said it should never be employed for diagnosis of any disease in the absence of clinical observation of symptoms. Here he is giving his opinion of Fauci:

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Kary Mullins that developed PCR....well done.

He's also has given racist eugenic like speeches against blacks, claims to have made contact with aliens, and throughly fried himself with drugs.

I'd take his opinions with a grain of skepticism despite his success as PCR. I wouldn't trust his opinions on dogshit. Just peer reviewed science that sane ppl have verified is about all I'd trust from him.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
The US doesn't have the highest deaths per million from COVID-19.
It currently ranks 12th in the world.

1. Peru
2. Hungary
3. Bosnia
4. Czechia
5. Bulgaria
6. Brazil
7. Belgium
8. Slovenia
9. Italy
10. Poland
11. UK
12. USA

If you meant California, the state ranks 31st.

Americans have a tendency to assume they are the centre of the universe.
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No - i meant what i said - we have the highest death toll

we might not have the highest per million, and i wasn't talking about california - that's not a country
 
LucidSDreamr said:
Kary Mullins that developed PCR....well done.

He's also has given racist eugenic like speeches against blacks, claims to have made contact with aliens, and throughly fried himself with drugs.

I'd take his opinions with a grain of skepticism despite his success as PCR. I wouldn't trust his opinions on dogshit. Just peer reviewed science that sane ppl have verified is about all I'd trust from him.
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No you don't. Otherwise you'd be questioning the dogshit science that purportedly shows the effectiveness of lockdowns, social distancing, asymptomatic spread, masking children and so on
 
chinup said:
its interesting that, with the exception of italy which has a large populist/far right movement, of the governments i know of from countries on that list, i.e. hungary, brazil, poland, UK, USA- they all had extreme right wing ideologues in power when this hit.

hilariously prior to all this the USA had ranked itself number 1 at pandemic preparedness with the UK number 2. whoever made those rankings was clearly assuming a political will to act and deluding themselves that the citizens of those countries would voluntarily take basic measures to protect themselves and others.
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No we had a celebrity for a president, who was an idiot - he doesn't even know what extreme far right politics consists of

the neo-nazis liked him for whatever reason even tho he loved the jews - that's how ridiculous the whole thing was - so he may have been on the right, but the extreme right backed him, maybe giving you that impression that he was "extreme" right, but he clearly wasn't

"extreme" right my ass.....you don't know what you're talking about
 
birdup.snaildown said:
@chinup

My version of extreme right is obviously different from yours (if you're including the UK and the USA as extreme right) but I agree with the second bit. Both countries have utterly failed their people... although I'm only saying that because I lean left on this particular topic.
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extreme was, probably, a bit extreme. i mean further right than i've ever known. tbh US and UK right wings are nothing compared to poland and brazil. i consider myself very liberal to the extent by some metrics i'm considered right wing, but i absolutely believe that my freedom stops the second it affects someone else.

you are right about pointing fingers being pointless now. in terms of learning for the future i think its useful to see how ideology has affected response.

birdup.snaildown said:
I understand anti-vax people. I am not convinced that it is beneficial long term for our species to try and edit how we interact with nature to such extremes. In Australia, kids get something like 26 vaccinations in the first couple of years of their life. Not 26 individual jabs, but 26 vaccines. That's a lot. I might have the number wrong, but when my daughter had them it was way higher than the US vaccination program for children.
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it sounds extreme but then so are the child mortality stats from before vaccines. we do interact with nature to extremes- causing climate change, inhabiting prevously uninhabited locations, i mean elon musk wants to put people on mars! we can't go back to the way we were pre agriculture so we may as well not die of preventable disease.

birdup.snaildown said:
I understand all the arguments, but - at the end of the day - people are dying.
Climate change is caused by too many people but we still have to save them. We can't leave people to die. That's a line we don't need to step over yet.

It's going to get worse before it gets better.
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yeah exactly. we need to make some hard decisions as a society. and what we've seen is that some people won't even wear a fucking mask. i still have hope that technology will make that irrelevant (i'm actually working on it specifically in my day job lol) but if people would just see past the end of their nose it would be a lot nicer for everyone.

Mr. Krinkle said:
No we had a celebrity for a president, who was an idiot - he doesn't even know what extreme far right politics consists of

the neo-nazis liked him for whatever reason even tho he loved the jews - that's how ridiculous the whole thing was - so he may have been on the right, but the extreme right backed him, maybe giving you that impression that he was "extreme" right, but he clearly wasn't

"extreme" right my ass.....you don't know what you're talking about
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the point is that all of those countries had leaders elected on an anti immigration, populist, protectionist, highly indidualistic ticket. whether you consider that right wing or not doesn't matter, its an interesting commonality to me.

you guys think that universal healthcare is socialism so i guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
I understand the anti-lockdown people. I can't go further than 10km (6 miles) from my house without being questioned and fined. Last week it was 5km. I can't put my family in the car and drive to my beach house (which is unoccupied) even if we don't stop on the way. They don't trust us to do the right thing, so they take away our rights.
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That is crazy, and I'm glad the US isn't like that. I would be against that as well. Over here we've pretty much been allowed to do whatever, though some states maybe not as much. In my state no one was enforcing anything but in my town most people complied with the mask mandates and social distancing regardless. Venues and indoor bars/restaurants were shit down for a while and capacities reduced after, and that was enforced. But individual freedom of movement was not enforced, nor was it even mandated not to leave the house, it was only suggested, without any fines or prohibitions attached. I suspect if I had had cops fining/imprisoning me for going to another location, I'd have felt a bit differently about this whole thing.
 
darvocet21 said:
No you don't. Otherwise you'd be questioning the dogshit science that purportedly shows the effectiveness of lockdowns, social distancing, asymptomatic spread, masking children and so on
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I didn't say anything about lock downs or masks i was commenting on mullins character. I think you're confusing me with another poster.

Someone's awful defensive when a known racist gets called out. 🤔
 
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You two are over there talking shit about the UK and the US but where are your technologically advanced countries buying vaccines from that you love so much?
 
LucidSDreamr said:
I didn't say anything about lock downs or masks i was commenting on mullins character. I think you're confusing me with another poster.

Someone's awful defensive when a known racist gets called out. 🤔
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You're funny. How much your insinuation concerns me: 0.00%

Apart from that yes in fact I was responding to your comment and I'm pleased to hear you're not an advocate of masks and lockdowns

The reason I didn't bother to address your accusations re Mullis' moral character is because you presented no evidence.

By the way talking to aliens and having fried himself on drugs, if true, I have no problems with.
 
Fines being distributed or arrests issued for not complying with rules that were clearly stated (however questionable they looked for lack of a better word) were not enforced as far as I know in any states that I've visited recently and I've only known two for the duration of COVID-19. I hate to bring weird stuff to anyone's attention, but as I understand it, this virus is not going away. And from what I've gathered, it has already evolved once... so possibly twice, given the rate that viruses evolve and the time that it's been since the first evidence of an evolution. I digress, for I haven't the evidence to put forth here, nor am I a medical scientist.

I however, had an interesting experience with hypnogogia (which is technically like dreaming while awake with your eyes closed) at the roll around point between November and December of 2017. Note first before you read this that I am not in any way claiming to be a fortune teller: simply am I laying down precisely what I saw as specifically as I am capable: Anyway, at the end of that year I had a hypnogogia that lasted approximately five minutes or less. In the vision that I bore while closing my eyes and hoping for sleep, I saw myself in varying scenarios. Most of them are irrelevant to this discussion. One of them, however may be of interest to some of thee who are open minded. I saw myself in what I can only assume was an electric car, talking to a woman (whom at the time of that the vision occurred, I believed to be someone government or otherwise). As she stepped into my vehicle, is when I saw myself, wielding a laptop in front of my steering wheel. A toddler was in the back seat and I was wearing none other than a mask to cover my nose and mouth. The details I relay here may seem sketchy and I understand that. At the time I was hoping to become a vigilante and that could likely explain the mask that I was wearing. For those who are interested or just want to know, the type of mask I saw myself wearing was a neck scarf sometimes called an ascot (unless I'm mistaken).

Like I said, aspirations as a vigilante I had at the time may have conjured images showing me wearing a mask, predating COVID-19 that later led me to believe that I had predicted something that never (and probably won't) come true.

I'm simply using whatever logic I know to respond to what little I've read in this thread to make a point explicitly to those who appear to know the most about the nature of this virus (in particular being a flu-like virus, that as we all know cycles every year) and possibly enlighten the rest of those, who may have insight as to this thing circulating.

As a side note, I had not heard anything regarding future vaccines that may be required of me despite that I have already gotten "both" my injections in the US. To anyone in another country who does not follow what that means, Quintessentially, it suggests that I am concurrently 95% immune to the virus.
 
Dropperneck said:
Liberals are just very authoritative with masks and really into covid/woke science bc they tend to be more susceptible to propaganda. Neo cons are to a certain degree too, but this is why almost all msm is with a neo liberal bend.
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Top peer reviewed scientific research journal in the world says you've got it backwards. Conservatives not liberals are the gullible ones that fall for misinformation.

Source:

AAAS

advances.sciencemag.org advances.sciencemag.org


I know...George soros paid off the scientists to lie. Fake news in Science right?
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
You two are over there talking shit about the UK and the US but where are your technologically advanced countries buying vaccines from that you love so much?
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I'm not sure who you're talking about, here... but the vaccine I had in April was produced in Australia. That doesn't matter, though. Buying something made in China doesn't mean I approve of human rights violations committed by the CCP.

The US and the UK have done well producing vaccines. They have also totally fucked up (the rest of) their response to this virus.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
I'm not sure who you're talking about, here... but the vaccine I had in April was produced in Australia. That doesn't matter, though. Buying something made in China doesn't mean I approve of human rights violations committed by the CCP.

The US and the UK have done well producing vaccines. They have also totally fucked up (the rest of) their response to this virus.
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Oh ok

And what the fuck was the perfect response supposed to be since you're an expert in knowing what should've been done?
 
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