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Orange Triangles Adelaide - LSD

2C-X could have been tested and I think would have shown up by atleast one tester... I really don't think any of them contained any 2C-X substances, but then again, that's just me! :)
 
We have never turned up a positive 2CX test result at any of the RADAR attended events, but I'd be pretty sure it's now about in SA, more so in the last fortnight or so...

Just to reiterate, because I still think that there is some confusion

I agree with Fry D- the pills which

a) have the triangle markings
b) were being shown by the police
c) definitely have nothing except LSD in them

are actually more of a brown/buff/manilla colour than orange

I believe they are DIFFERENT to the pills which caused the recent overdoses in Adelaide. I don't believe that THOSEwere caused by LSD, or MDXX. I think they might have been a 2Cx compound, or maybe even a more exotic tryptamine. Nobody really knows what they took in terms of appearance- just 'pills' (Note to users- please take note of what you are putting in your mouth so you can tell the nice doctor when you overdose!). They MIGHT have been the so-called 'Vitamin Cs' that the media are jumping all over. Whatever they were, the patients were definitely tripping.
 
Hmm.. The fisrt time i ever ingested these particualr vitamin c tasting pills was 2 years ago in darwin. I couldnt find them anywhere on pillreports or from any sourceful friends untill around a year later. They seemed to be much much stronger and way darker in colour compaired to the later variations and the ones i had at an outdoor event late dec 2003.
 
As drplatypus said the pills were GCMS tested to contain LSD, and as he has also indicated this is a very uncommon occurrence. In my posts regarding the issue from last year, I had suggested that the pills would not contain LSD as this is uncommon, but rather would contain a research chemical.

Enlighten has been working towards the goal of one day having a GCMS program in place to allow exact identifications of unknown substances. It is a situation like this where only a GCMS test can give a definitive answer. A previous thread on this issue discusses a range of chemicals, and I hope this shows how useless it is when you try to determine a chemical based on physical effects. This will not be an isolated incident, and over the coming years RC's will be used as adulterants within pills (and potentially blotters), increasing the need for fast identification to inform those who may unknowingly think their pill contains 'ecstasy'.

The information Enlighten received regarding this issue was via the RADAR team, who we have worked along side in Adelaide over the last year. Enlighten decided not to make any statement due to the very delicate nature regarding GCMS testing in Australia, until the police had given their press statement regarding the active substance within these pills, which was based on a recent seizure rather than data collected by Enlighten and RADAR last year. The samples that were analysed last year returned no result, as only a small scraping from pills collected were analysed, rather than the whole pill.

What I think is also important to point out is that the only way we (as a society) will be able to have an accurate indication of exactly what is contained within pills sold on the street is for groups like Enlighten, RADAR, and police organisations to work together in collating, testing, and subsequently informing users quickly. This is the only way a potential disaster can be avoided.

If the police rely on only seizures, they are not getting an exact indication of what is being sold on the streets at that point in time. An example of this is on one Melbourne weekend we tested 22 individual designs, of which potentially could have been GCMS tested. I don't know how many pills the police were aware of and had seized and tested, but I suggest it would not have been close to 22.

Although the adulterant was LSD, it could have potentially been something worse such as PMA. I believe government organisations are seeing the wisdom shown by drplatypus's RADAR team and Enlighten, and the potential disaster than can be avoided by establishing a GCMS program which provides accurate information to the end user so they can make a more informed choice.
 
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The reason that we have been able to have such a good working relationship with the powers that be in SA has been in no small part due to the tact, diplomacy and political sensitivity shown by Enlighten, and in the heat of the moment, it shouldn't be forgotten that we wouldn't have even started our 'Great Wacky Race for Unusual Pills" unless they had forcefully pointed our heads in the right direction. They're the real driving force behind this.
 
Great work, Im sure this a huge step forward to even have the contents being made public. With such a huge and polarizing issue as illicit drugs you cant expect to change the direction/thinking of policy overnight. You can take little steps and in the end those little steps do add up.


I have a few questions and I know its probably too early to ask but I will anyway.


a) are there any future plans in SA to continue this with the police? I gather you are just taking this one step at a time.

b) what has been the reaction of the local government? or even youth substance abuse/treatment organizations to this? (if any at all)
 
I must admit, when i had these in HALVES, they felt very 'acid' like. Pretty much like every blotter ive had.

But when i consumed a whole triangle. it was very messy and overwhelming. And could be easilly mistaken for a totally different drug.

Now I truly do understand where LSD & Psychadelic paterns come from after consuming these.

great work guys. atleast i have some small peice of mind that ive only consumed what millions of people before me have, and not some new crazy 'internet drug' :P
 
Fabulous work guys... Informed choice can now be made with an almost indisputable sense of confidence. Bravo! and I'd say this will have a completely deterrent effect in most cases where the news is heard i.e. users won't buy / take these if they are looking for, or expecting to get MDXX.
 
I'm still toey, I still don't think its LSD. Has anyone actually seen a copy of the GCMS?

It could easily enough be some sort of tryptamine, and the cops, realising the lack of public knowledge about research chems and psychadelics, used a related psychadelic (probably the one a majority of people can identify) and said it was LSD.

Then again it probably was just two batches.
 
Well considering drplatypus has said:

The ONLY active compound, on GCMS analysis, was LSD
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I think that can be taken as such, and having personally met the man, I would stand by his statement without hesitation. I'm sure if it was possible, drplatypus would make the GC/MS available But for now lets just take things gently - no feather ruffling - after all, we are talking about unprecedented police cooperation here.

Regardless of what's not able to be said or done, I can feel confident that RADAR would never intentionally mislead by announcing untrue information. It would be completely contrary to their objectives as I understand them.
 
I find it amazing how there can be such a wide range of experiences on one substance.

LSD

This purely re-iterates the concept of set and setting. Your pre-conceptions of a substance and expectations can definetly guide the experience. As an example I can say that I have had an LSD experience that for the first half felt quite like MDMA, the second half felt very much like something else altogether. I have also had an experience on LSD where I had an oceanic experience.

The unpredictable nature of LSD is primarily due to very unpredictable nature of life and conciousness. Even MDMA has had a wide range of effects subject to set and setting.

Psychedelics in general can take you to many places, some in different directions to others. A good place to begin to understand psychedelics is in TIHKALS places in the mind. Here is a little snippet:
“TIHKAL” in the chapter “Places in the Mind.” She writes of one of these named "The Priestess":

"I was The Priestess, full of knowledge and power, seated above the rest of humanity, dispensing wisdom. It was a picture of supreme intellectual and spiritual arrogance… Now, here I was, blazing with the fullness of this form of myself, knowing I needed nothing else and nobody else, and that I could continue being utterly sufficient unto myself… I was complete."
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There are many places in the mind. Each can be evoked by a wide range of psychedelics.

I do not doubt in any way the results of the GCMS, there is just too much scientific weight in it and no plausible argument against it.
 
I saw on the news earlier this morning that there is a "New Drug" making an appearance and circulating places like Melbourne and Sydney. The Journalist reported it to be from the Tryptamine family. Quiet possibly DMT-DimethylTryptamine.
They showed footage of these "off-coloured" greenish, pills that had a logo resembling that of "Star-Trek"... or quiet possibly just a Triangle and my imagination was getting the better of me. :)

I dunno, maybe there's a new batch floating around parts of Melbourne. Who knows, possibly the Russian Mafia have "pin-pointed" Melbourne as their new "Hot-Spot" for drug trade? Who knows...
 
haha crap, i didnt want 2 try LSD just yet.. looks like i already have.. damnit

i thought LSD was more of a mindf*&k, like you would think about deep seated issues etc.. i didnt really get much of that, more just my eyes were seeing morphing patterns everywhere..
 
more questions left unanswered then solved

This entire issue, and how Enlighten/Radar released the information has become extremely confusing. Don’t get me wrong, I’m grateful for any information but if its disseminated without structure then its open to interpretation and misinformation. For example I didn't know that dr platypus was involved in Radar and at first glance thought he was extrapolating his conclusion from the SMH article. I though the plan was Cowboy Mac was going to post the results in the long running thread about the Bermuda triangles?

What is sad is that we're no closer to determining the nature of these pills. We know that pills in SA bearing this logo contained LSD however this in itself is insufficient to conclude the pills bearing this logo (of a similar colour) on the east coast were of LSD as well. Did the users who consumed these Pills acknowledge that the affects were LSD in nature and do users on the east coast who consumed these pills share similar experinces?

Perhaps some enterprising drug manufacturer saw the success of Bermuda Triangles (the LSD ones) yet instead of using LSD created a batch with far easily obtainable research chemicals?

I for one do not believe I consumed LSD, the symptoms, nausea, extremely high temperature are not common to practically any experience that I’ve ever read (medical or otherwise) about LSD, and is certainly not common to hundreds of "trips" I’ve taken in the past.

Moving forward will Enlighten/Radar accept pills of this brand for further testing, was this a once off, and with this apparent cooperation with the authorities does mean a formalized testing procedure/process is being discussed?
 
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With Australia becoming one of the largest Ecstacy users in the world, we will see large syndicates from around the world come in and try grab their share of the market. Will will soon be finding more pills containing adulterants or different research chems as they try to take claim of high profits available. This is only the start of whats to come. So the sooner we get GCMS the better. As for the Triangles it doesn't convince me for some reason they are LSD. I thought it could have been made public earlier if it was only LSD. I'm thinking maybe it's something that we are capable of getting our hands on (precursors) to make this drug. And the government have to tighten up on it so it doesn't get into the wrong hands before results are released. HAs anyone heard of Tiletamine? Apparantley it has similarities Ketamine and has been reported to be a common adulterant in ecstacy
 
I will go over everything for those who believe it is unclear.
  • drplatypus is Dr. David Caldicott who works for the Royal Adelaide hospital and heads up the RADAR team, (Royal Adelaide Designer Drug Academic Research).
  • RADAR and Enlighten established their relationship last year and since then have teamed up in S.A. for a second time, and we look to continue this work into the future.
  • Enlighten collected samples of the original 'Orange Triangles' that returned no result under a GCMS due to only a very small amount being tested. A whole pill would be ideal, but we only collected around 1mg or less for GCMS. Part of the reason an answer took so long before it was resolved was that apart from the legal hurdles in performing GCMS tests based on public submissions, no result was initially detected in the small samples collected last year.
  • The pills that were recently seized in SA tested up containing LSD, and this result had been duplicated by a police seizure in QLD months ago. Based on this point, and the point above, it is extremely likely that the pills have contained only LSD. If previous batches contained an RC it would have been detected in the mg or so sample taken from the pills. RC doses are mg, not ug like LSD.
  • I first met the chemist who has been conducting these tests in SA last year. He is not overlooking the fact it may contain a RC, he is fully aware of what they are, and as an Enlighten representative I correspond with him frequently. Based on his laboratory work I can guarantee the pills contain ONLY LSD.
  • Any suggestion the pills contain something other than LSD is going against scientific evidence, all you are basing it on is interpreting physical effects. LSD is a very powerful chemical, and one must not disregard set and setting.
  • Many of the people who took these pills were ravers (or MDMA users) rather than psychonauts. Anyone who does not seek out a strong psychedelic experience and has it thrust upon them will have a much more difficult experience in contrast to them buying strong LSD and mentally preparing for it.
  • It does no good for people to disregard verified information shared with the Bluelight community. How can we demand scientifically validated GCMS results when you simply choose not to believe them when they are given?
  • Enlighten decided it was best not to make any statements until the police statement had been given. Ideally I would have posted information in a new thread clearly, but scumjournalist started this thread before I could so I had to resort to posting a reply here, and dealing with the replies above it.
  • Enlighten is working with RADAR to establish a GCMS program. This is very delicate issue and we ask for your support and patience.
If anyone has anything else that they need me to clarify please post it and I will answer.
 
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We all appreciate the efforts made by both Enlighten and the huge steps forward made possible by Dr Caldicott and the RADAR team. :)

Hopefully now by people knowing the contents they can make the informed choice and avoid them completely. I'm sure thats the idea behind the police making such information so public. Good to see everyone working together in the interests of harm minimisation.
 
thank u cowboy mac and dr platypus [dr caldicott] i on behalf of australia n NZ thank u 4 ur efforts in harm minimization n i hope u can achieve much more in your in research
 
My friday night 3 weeks ago ending up in a mental instution. caught in the bermuda triangle, almost lost my mums life as i was tripping out thinking paranoia as i thought it was so real. My mum always been there for me, and is the best thing about me as i tryed to hurt her and said to my self i had to do it tonight. I have to live with it with the rest of my life but lucky nothing happend seriously. But like i feel im scared for life as i expected mdma or speed and im not trying to blame the drug, i know it was my own fault for taking it. I dont care what people say but this pill is a no go zone.
I feel useless as the doctor tested my blood and urine and said it was speed, now after reading this article i realise most people dont know what was in it. But my main point is that bluelight can only help you if you know what your taking. I also come to realise that some users took 1 or 2 well i took 3 in one night. And also becareful mixing cause it can change your mood. From now on im never gonna touch it even though i know speed and mdma isnt that dangerous cause ive played the game for quite a while but still im stronger now from what happend and gonna make this a good thing to stop all drugs ive taken. I know this aint a fact just my experience but these pills only cost 2 dollars to make + goin through hell and i aint gonna let anyone go through this again. I know im a good guy im not a violent person and some might not be as lucky as me but im lucky to have a family that knows me well. You know what the judge said to me in court exactly?
He said if you keep taking these drugs you gonna become a demon and thats exactly what he said and the police was there to back me out cause he knew i felt the guilt and didnt mean too cause any drama`s. If anyone decides to take this pill then i would say you need will power and 100% control of what your doin and actions which is impossible for me. If my brother was home that night he said he would of taken me out better than harming other innocent people which is a contradiction ive learnt. But luckly nothing serious happened.
 
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