Opioids Opiates dont seem addictive to me- addictive potential exaggerated?

[xxkcxx]

Tchort, you may not like the statement the OP made, but how can you say its not true? Excluding prescribed medical situations, how can becoming a heroin addict not be grossly irresponsible? Using an addictive drug to the point of physical dependence just for fun seems like the very definition of irresponsible. It doesn' matter who does it, or even if they can maintain their life. It is needlessly risking the destruction of your life simply to feel good in the short-term. I am not saying its wrong or anything. Many people do dangerous things, but it is still irresponsible. If you jump out of a plane enough times, evemtually your chute won't open one time.

No one WANTS to be a junkie. I didn't go into trying heroin because I thought the lifestyle was cool or hardcore or lulzy. I became a heroin addict because someone offered it to me and I didn't see his life for the shit it was at the time and didn't think one time would really do anything.

And I was right, it didn't. Which made me what to try it again to really get that "nothing is better than heroin" feeling everyone talks about. I would say it took me maybe 3-5 times to finally feel it, and when I finally did--it was like wow, this incredible, suicidal depression I've been feeling my whole life doesn't hurt so bad...why should I stop doing this wonderful drug that does what my psychiatrist couldn't with his medical degrees.

I choose heroin to make me feel better; OP you say you are an alcoholic, which I'm guessing does something to your brain that makes you feel better than you do sober or you wouldn't do it.

In my case, alcohol makes me feel sick and I can't have more than a half a drink before I remember why I DON'T drink. Isn't it just as irresponsible to be addicted to alcohol or any OTHER substance?

 

[chester mcgruder]

Some of seem like you are trying to justify your own addiction by telling the OP that opiates are super addictive. Every one has different body chemistry. I know plenty of people thta have done OCs daily. Only a couple of them weren't able to stop when they either wanted to or supply dried up. I take opiates when I get the opportunity, but that doesn't happen more than couple times per year., so I can't speak from personal experience here. I can say that I make my own beer, so I have an almost constant supply. I drink about 3 16oz glasses of 6%-9% per day. when I go away for a few days, or just don't feel like drinking I don't feels any ill effects. Some people would pysilogically not be able to do this, and some can. Ultimaytely it is up to the individual to assess their own tolerances. We all can share our experiences, but it doesn't mean your body will react the same as mine. Good luck and keep an eye out for addiction. Be honest with yourself, it will help a lot.

 

[GRUNT]

No one WANTS to be a junkie. I didn't go into trying heroin because I thought the lifestyle was cool or hardcore or lulzy. I became a heroin addict because someone offered it to me and I didn't see his life for the shit it was at the time and didn't think one time would really do anything.

And I was right, it didn't. Which made me what to try it again to really get that "nothing is better than heroin" feeling everyone talks about. I would say it took me maybe 3-5 times to finally feel it, and when I finally did--it was like wow, this incredible, suicidal depression I've been feeling my whole life doesn't hurt so bad...why should I stop doing this wonderful drug that does what my psychiatrist couldn't with his medical degrees.

I choose heroin to make me feel better; OP you say you are an alcoholic, which I'm guessing does something to your brain that makes you feel better than you do sober or you wouldn't do it.

In my case, alcohol makes me feel sick and I can't have more than a half a drink before I remember why I DON'T drink. Isn't it just as irresponsible to be addicted to alcohol or any OTHER substance?

Same here. For some people opiates fill a void that can't be filled in any other way. For example, I was talking to my therapist about how opiates make me feel almost energized and extremely motivated and happy (obviously unless I'm on the nod or dosed quite heavily). For her they make her very sick and uncomfortable. This is why I think I could have an endorphin deficiency, and why Buprenorphine works for myself and many others as an anti-depressant so well (I have suffered from depression all of my life and gone through many of the SSRIs and SSNRIs with no success until opioids/opiates). Long winded body chemistry explanation.

 

[Nibiru]

Really, I think the OP did indeed come off as a bit of a douche, but I think the knee jerk response from some people who got offended was just as douchey here, and this thread went sour really fast.

Really, the addictive potential of opiates, or any drug for that matter comes down to biochemical, genetic, cultural, psychological and emotional characteristics of the person in question, which can be really complex.

At the risk of sounding a douche myself, I say:

/end thread

 

[PillPoppingAnimal]

I would not hesitate to say take 120mg oxycodone then say go to a family dinner, nobody would even know I am on them because they don't effect me very much, they just mellow me out, make me placid and relaxed.

haha if i DONT take opiates b4 a family dinner/outting than they think something is up and most addicts find that correct.

 

[djsim]

Tchort, you may not like the statement the OP made, but how can you say its not true? Excluding prescribed medical situations, how can becoming a heroin addict not be grossly irresponsible? Using an addictive drug to the point of physical dependence just for fun seems like the very definition of irresponsible. It doesn' matter who does it, or even if they can maintain their life. It is needlessly risking the destruction of your life simply to feel good in the short-term. I am not saying its wrong or anything. Many people do dangerous things, but it is still irresponsible. If you jump out of a plane enough times, evemtually your chute won't open one time.

Irresponsible from your point of view perhaps. Addiction is a disease and generally there is a comorbid mental illness (related to underdeveloped frontal lobe, the brain area where we make rational decisions) such that short term gratification is the only way for some people; it's the way their brain is wired. People say it a chicken and the egg arguement: did the drug get the person mentally ill, or did they take the drug to alleviate the mental illness? The latter IMO.
And for OP: this idea that you are in control of opiate use, especially considering previous history of addiction, suggests to me that had you the means, you'd be addicted quick smart. What I mean is, you probably use infrequently because you can only get the drugs infrequently. That would all change if you ran with people who could hook you up just as easily as buying booze or cigs; you yourself even said you'd do IV H if it were offered. So don't think you're side-stepping addiction because you're stronger than the drugs. If you had a box of OCs, would you only take them once a week? I think we both know the answer to that.
I wouldn't rationalise use of any addictive drugs knowing you have past addictions, because it's the brain's best trick in the deck when it comes to getting you addicted.
Stay safe

 

[PillPoppingAnimal]

great ^^ read that

 

[Eight0Eight]

But I only swallow opiates, and only occasionally. NEVER more than twice in a week and NEVER two days in a row, and twice in a week is rare. What I would like to figure out from this topic, is that if the usage i just mentioned is really that risky at all.

Do you think that all other addicts started out by injecting as much Heroin as possible right from the start?

Your not saying anything revolutionary or new, you sound like every other person that is chipping with the devil and is not very far at all from the inevitable nightmare.

 

[QuasiStoned]

First of all let me start by saying that I am in chronic pain from moderate foot problems (pain transfers to knees, hips, back, etc.) so I am often in some sort of pain. I had been "treating" my pain and subsequent depression with marijuana and occasional drinking. Before I ever tried opiates I was aware of the addictive potential.

So the first time I tried an opiate it was 2 percocets and I took them before smoking weed. I felt fantastic, incredibly mellow and relaxed, and the sharp pains I always felt suddenly melted away. It was practically a religous experience for me to experience a dulled sensation of pain. I was probably about 18 years old during this first experience. I didn't have any real connects nor was I actively searching for them, I just kept this opiate experience in the back of my mind for a few months.

It wasn't very long before I realized that there was a legal plant available online that was absolutely fascinating to me, it was kratom. I started treating my pain with kratom tea, once a day, never more. It was incredibly short lasting for an opiate, most effects were over after about 3 hours. I steadily increased my dose as tolerance took hold and was beginning to realize that I could only keep dosing daily and feeling "good" by upping my dosage.

I was intelligent enough to realize that I can't keep upping my dosage indefinitely (and drinking a more bitter tea everytime I upped the dose helped to curb my usage) so I took a different approach and would take a day off every now and then. These days off were my first taste of withdrawal and it was extremely beningn. I experienced perhaps the slightest depression but I think it was more mental than physical. I used kratom in this manner for a number of months. Kratom addiction was so mild that I didn't have to bring any with me on trips, I went to a 3 or 4 day festival and forgot all about kratom while there.

It was at this festival that on the final day I came across opium (the real deal!!). I smoked it almost immediatly after getting home and was greeted by a sweet flowery smoke and a calming sedating euphoria. I combined it with kratom and enjoyed it very much. This was the turning point in my addiction. I had been aware of ornamental poppy pods and a way of making a crude tea, but living at home with my parents I felt no need to order poppies for fear that they might be aware of what I was doing.

Well, long story short I eventually ordered a box of poppies. I don't know why I was so reckless with this particular flower but I suspect that pain clouds my judgement and increases the pull that these drugs might have on someone. The poppies were much different from kratom, the euphoria seemed a little dulled but the relaxation was way up there and the effects were precisely what I was looking for. Poppy pod tea tasted a lot better than kratom did to me and the effects were about 3x longer (no exaggeration). I never looked back and made poppies my new drug of choice.

Poppy pods were not nearly as safe as kratom was. I was dependent before I even knew what was happening. The first time I ran out of poppies (probably 1.5 weeks after ordering the first time) I experienced considerable withdrawals for the first time. In a panic, I ordered more poppy pods and reinforced my addiction. Since that time, I have been using poppy pods fairly regularly for about 8 months I guess. I have had 2 or 3 major withdrawal periods (week clean or longer) and countless smaller withdrawal periods to mantain my tolerance. I have had some really good times since discovering this flower, but have also suffered more than I could've imagined. I have been riding a roller coaster up and down for months now.

I guess in conclusion, even though I knew the dangers and how to avoid addiction I simply didn't want to control my usage because the percieved benefits were far greater than any negative I could imagine.

 

[djsim]

Isn't it just as irresponsible to be addicted to alcohol or any OTHER substance?

It's the old and tired belief that illegal drugs must be bad because they are illegal. Drinking all day, every day is fine; but a line is crossed when someone uses heroin 3 times a day apparently. It's fine to brew your beer, but nobody would say the same about cooking up meth or making GHB or whatever, even if the process was just as easy and safe as brewing beer.
The only difference between a heroin an addict and an alocoholic is the fact that heroin addicts have to steal to afford their DOC. Alcohol is one of the worst drugs out there; the amount of people who die from alcohol (and tobacco) is phenomenal (not including drunk driving, etc), yet all people ever think about when they hear of drugs killing people is stuff like heroin or bad XTC.
How the fuck can a non-violent offender be locked up for 5 years for possession of heroin when alcoholics consistently act violently and all they get, at worst, a night in the clink to sober up?
If someone is irresponsible for getting hooked on opiates, then you are in the same boat man... like I said, the only difference between you being plastered every day on alcohol and the junky living in an alley down the street is the fact that you can but your drug at a price that allows you to still pay your rent.

 

[Binge Artist]

Don't know. Maybe if alcohol were exorbitantly overpriced, like heroin, then there would be fewer alcoholics.

 

[xxkcxx]

If someone is irresponsible for getting hooked on opiates, then you are in the same boat man... like I said, the only difference between you being plastered every day on alcohol and the junky living in an alley down the street is the fact that you can but your drug at a price that allows you to still pay your rent.

Not to mention how much easier it is to go into a grocery store and steal a bottle of vodka. It can be hard enough for a good heroin customer to get a couple free ones thrown at then let alone try to rip off a dealer (especially more than once )

 

[xxkcxx]

cybergenesis people on here are generally rude, i experince it so often, he asked a question i dont know why they lash out, i ask decent questions and they say its dumb and then 2nd person says i 2nd that and they all jump on the bandwagon of hatin, probs coz 1/3 ppl on here are high when responding, 1/3 are not and are on the comedown and the last third is jus miserable bastards.

Honestly, I've see a lot more rudeness than what is contained in this thread. I don't really think anyone is being all that rude.

Also, it's kinda hard not to get defensive when someone says "I'm an alcoholic, but YOU PEOPLE are so freakin' irresponsible! How can someone get addicted to a substance like that?!?!"

 

[Binge Artist]

^I'm sure a woman with your...assetts...could get all of the "free" dope she wanted...

 

[pofacedhoe]

Don't know. Maybe if alcohol were exorbitantly overpriced, like heroin, then there would be fewer alcoholics.

or more thieving drunk bastards

its difficult to listen to drunks as they are so dumb and preachy-i'm pissed right now(jacobs creek chardonay)!

 

[alexxlife]

they just make me relaxed and reduce tension, which is why I like them.

dude I don't wonna be rude but I think you are an addict ,yea I know it's hard to admit.
-Opiates make you relaxed and mellow.
-You took more then prescribed and crushed the pill.
-You are taking this shit for a year(physically addicted)
-You think you have total control and going to family dinner is nothing.Yea you think nobody knows but people that know you for a wile they can feel the difference when you are high.
-Now try to quit for just 4 days and see how you gonna feel.

 

[Ultiman]

your a horrible liar. You did not take 120mg of oxycodone that is a complete lie. In order to take that much with rather small effects like you described requires the tolerance of a complete addict. If you do opiates like you say you do 120 mg will kill you. The only reason i am not addicted to opiates is because of my lack of connects. If i were to find a reliable hook up i would become an addict in no time.

 

[Eight0Eight]

cybergenesis people on here are generally rude, i experince it so often, he asked a question i dont know why they lash out, i ask decent questions and they say its dumb and then 2nd person says i 2nd that and they all jump on the bandwagon of hatin, probs coz 1/3 ppl on here are high when responding, 1/3 are not and are on the comedown and the last third is jus miserable bastards.

I can't believe you are accusing others of being rude. You seem to be constantly hostile towards anyone that has a differing opionion to you.

 

[pallidamors]

your a horrible liar. You did not take 120mg of oxycodone that is a complete lie. In order to take that much with rather small effects like you described requires the tolerance of a complete addict. If you do opiates like you say you do 120 mg will kill you. The only reason i am not addicted to opiates is because of my lack of connects. If i were to find a reliable hook up i would become an addict in no time.

In the OP's defense, I don't think he was lying. He said he had been doing opiates for quite some time, and that he does them on a semi-frequent basis, just not daily. Tolerance to opiates doesn't decrease quickly, more on the order of months. Even when I used to only use oxy a couple times a month, I noticed a buildup of tolerance after a couple of months; 20 mg of oxycodone no longer got me as high as it once did. If the OP was using a couple times a week for a few years, I think that he could easily be able to handle 120 mg oxycodone. His tolerance would still build at the rate he is using, just not as fast as someone who uses every day.

 

[chester mcgruder]

Honestly, I've see a lot more rudeness than what is contained in this thread. I don't really think anyone is being all that rude.

Also, it's kinda hard not to get defensive when someone says "I'm an alcoholic, but YOU PEOPLE are so freakin' irresponsible! How can someone get addicted to a substance like that?!?!"

I am sure the OP knows that it is irresponsible to become an alcoholic. Pretty much it is irresponsible to take any drug recreationally. You just have to weigh the consequences. I also don't think the OP was lying about the amount. For some people it takes more to work. I believe, though I don't have any proof, that people who get addicted have a better feeling from opiates than people who don't. I basically have no opiate tolerance, but I don't really feel anything under 50mgs of oxy. I take oxy pills probably twice a year and they are a little fun, but just not worth it for me. But thats my body chemistry. On the otherhand, if I have pot I will smoke everyday, several times a day until its gone. I am uselss during these periods. The only way I control it and not lose my job is by not buying it more than an 1/8th per month. I don't mean to say that opiate addicts are any worse than any other substance abuser. It just sucks that those drugs carry such heavy consequences. I think certain people just enjoy certain substances more. If opiates, or any other addictive substance is your thing justbe honest with yourself so you can recognize the negative effects that it is causing. I hope no one thinks I am talking down to them, I am just sharing my views on the issue.