Opioids O-DSMT Megathread

[Limitbreaker]

My supply is limited, which is why I'm asking. Not sure yet what I'll do. In my sides, the HR isn't as "popular" as here on bl. Not that I say it's a good thing.

 

[Kronos]

What's a good dose for I.V.? Not experienced with I.V. opiods. Small codeine experience.

Is putting some (10-20mg) MXE together with Tramadol would potentiate it? MXE really potentiated codeine for me.

Also, promethazine before i.v.-ing? I really love nodding. Haven't nodded off since one good time with codeine.

Promethazine for sure! that stuff with opis is great!
last time i shot odmt was a few weeks ago, didnt get a rush off it like i did a long time ago and got more pleasant effects from oral, not sure why..

 

[Limitbreaker]

Tried i.v.-ing 100mg, but fucked up with sterilization, so I sticked it up my ass and sniffed some (10-30mg) MXE.

Woah. So fucked up. This is strong.

 

[az5000]

Just got another gram of this stuff this morning, it's far too lovely. Found out my sweet spot is about 60mg intramuscular (I weigh around 10 stones) and it last for hours. 80mg is great, but it has me nodding and I can hardly keep my eyes open. So far i've been very careful with this substance (as I am with all opiates) and have been sticking to a binge once every month or two. I have a feeling if I did it any more often that there's a good chance i'd get addicted.

Weekend sessions with this stuff are gorgeous. I wake up at about 8am, IM 50-80mg along with 1mg etizolam + 2mg cetirizine (anti-histamine) and nod out drifting in and out of conciousness until mid afternoon. I know mixing it with benzos is a stupid idea but it seems to reduce the nausea a great deal. I hope this stuff stays out of the government's sight as i'd be gutted if I had to go back to CWEing paramol or co-codamol. This works out far more cost effective and means that I don't have to dress up smart and get dodgy looks from the pharmacist.

Has anybody had any kind of physical withdrawls from this stuff? I try to keep sessions to a two day minimum, and leave them at least a few weeks apart.

 

[knock]

Has anybody had any kind of physical withdrawls from this stuff? I try to keep sessions to a two day minimum, and leave them at least a few weeks apart.

I just get a bit phlegmy/sniffly, I think. Hard to even say it's w/ds. Restlessness is the worst aspect, but can't say it lasts long and to be honest I'm a bit disappointed by lack of withdrawal symptoms having read and repeated warnings on here. I find it quite benign. Can't say I've even built up much of a tolerance with average frequency of use easily exceeding every two days over three or four months and recent use exceeding 100mg per day ("you said you're not building a tolerance but your dosage has gone up", that's right, I've been looking for more sedative effects.)

 

[mydrugbuddy]

I just finished my first gram of o-dt last night and moved straight on to gram number 2. I must admit i dont know what to make of it so far. Unlike Etizolam, which i could tell instantly that i liked it a lot, this stuff doesnt seem half as straight forward to me.

This is my first experience with opiates, so i am trying to tread carefully, and i had the first gram for a few weeks beore i finished it, so i have no concerns about that as of yet. I started off with a small dab under the tongue as an allergy test one evening, and then after the all clear sniffed about 30mg the next evening. I didnt notice any effect whatsoever. So the next evening i sniffed 40 mg. Still nothing.

I gathered that you need about double the amount for an oral dose, but i decided to add a bit more for good measure as I got nothing atall off the 40mg insufflated. So the next evening i bombed about 100 mg. That turned out to be a bit too much as it got me really wasted. It had quite a drastic affect on my balance, in the physical rather than mental sense, in that i couldnt stand up straight without holding onto things. I couldnt keep my eyes open atall
either. I didnt get any euphoria, and I also noticed that I continued to have passing anxious/paranoid thoughts. I was disapointed by this as i was expecting it to wipe them out and give a care free-bliss like the Etizolams..Not saying the o-dt caused anxiety/paranoia, i seem to be prone to this ATM, i dont think its anything too serious, probably just done to much MDPV recently. Anyway i staggered off to bed as had to be up for work early the next morning.
Alarmingly my balance was still affected the next morning, i was still tottery and had to hold onto things at work when walking about. That cleared after a few hours and 3 cups of coffee, but I hope no one noticed !

I know that ideally you should leave a break of at least a few days inbetween doses of this stuff. But i allowed myself to have another go the next night. Slightly lower dose this time, but combined with a lager. (I also know you shouldnt mix opiates with alcohol but it seems a lot of people do without coming to any harm. Im not talking about downing wine by the bottle or ten pints of beer, but just enough for a moderate buzz. In the interests of harm reduction what is a relatively safe amount of alcohol to have ?)Now this started to feel much better. The o-dt seems to make me thirsty, so the lager went down an absolute treat. Ended up having 4 cans before dinner, probably not the safest thing to do, but i felt fine. Well i felt more than fine, it was very nice, so much so that i kept saying "mmmmmmm" to myself for about 3 hours as i watched tv. Eventually I felt my eyes go heavy, and felt sleepy, so i went to bed. Annoyingly just after my head hit the pillow the sleepy phase seemed to pass, and there was some stimulation and i couldnt sleep. By 1 am i felt most of the o-dt had worn off so i took 1 mg of Etizolam to sleep.

I did an all nighter on amphetamine after a night out on the town on Friday. Rather than go to bed at 7 am or something on the saturday morning, i just topped up with 4mec to keep me going through the day until normal bedtime on saturday night. On saturday evening i bombed another 100 mg of o-dt. For some reason it didnt seem to have much effect atall. Possibly because i was tired, dehydrated, hadnt eaten more than 1 slice of toast all day ? Maybe 4mec cancels o-dt ? I didnt want to have any more alcohol as i was already dehydrated. I took another 80 mg of o-dt a couple of hours later. Still didnt notice much effect. Had a tiny pinch of Haze. Wierdly there was no anxiety, as Haze on its own causes me anxiety, and o-dt hadnt seem to kill it so far, but a combination of the two together seems to work well for me.

In summary, o-dt on its own doesnt seem to be much cop for me, but combined with moderate alcohol or canniboids its pretty good. I hope the post wasnt too long, but as its all new to me, there was lot i wanted to share and get feedback on.

 

[knock]

I just finished my first gram of o-dt last night and moved straight on to gram number 2. I must admit i dont know what to make of it so far. Unlike Etizolam, which i could tell instantly that i liked it a lot, this stuff doesnt seem half as straight forward to me.

This is my first experience with opiates, so i am trying to tread carefully, and i had the first gram for a few weeks beore i finished it, so i have no concerns about that as of yet. I started off with a small dab under the tongue as an allergy test one evening, and then after the all clear sniffed about 30mg the next evening. I didnt notice any effect whatsoever. So the next evening i sniffed 40 mg. Still nothing.

I gathered that you need about double the amount for an oral dose, but i decided to add a bit more for good measure as I got nothing atall off the 40mg insufflated. So the next evening i bombed about 100 mg. That turned out to be a bit too much as it got me really wasted. It had quite a drastic affect on my balance, in the physical rather than mental sense, in that i couldnt stand up straight without holding onto things. I couldnt keep my eyes open atall either. I didnt get any euphoria, and I also noticed that I continued to have passing anxious/paranoid thoughts. I was disapointed by this as i was expecting it to wipe them out and give a care free-bliss like the Etizolams..Not saying the o-dt caused anxiety/paranoia, i seem to be prone to this ATM, i dont think its anything too serious, probably just done to much MDPV recently. Anyway i staggered off to bed as had to be up for work early the next morning.
Alarmingly my balance was still affected the next morning, i was still tottery and had to hold onto things at work when walking about. That cleared after a few hours and 3 cups of coffee, but I hope no one noticed !

Sorry for laughing but LOL! I find sniffing a total waste of time, as it would seem do you, but others think it's fine. Weird.

Yeah, I would have gone for 50mg oral. Still it's done now

Im not talking about downing wine by the bottle or ten pints of beer, but just enough for a moderate buzz. In the interests of harm reduction what is a relatively safe amount of alcohol to have ?

Probably depends on your tolerance and how fast you drink. I've drunk probably a bottle and half of wine over a few hours with o-dt and been fine. I don't think it makes sense for people to recommend an amount really, you need to build up your amounts in combination slowly to levels you are comfortable/confident with. Certainly don't be drinking amounts that would have you passing out, or anything like it! I don't know how old you are, but when I was a teenager I would have passed out on quantities of booze that nowadays have me thinking "I feel almost sober". This isn't bragging, it's actually depressing, and I'm sure that some teenagers could drink more than me, but whatever, just know and respect your actual current limits.

In summary, o-dt on its own doesnt seem to be much cop for me, but combined with moderate alcohol or canniboids its pretty good.

You might try plugging if you find oral dosing unreliable, but I'm sure dehydration will not help oral absorption.

I think it's good on it's own as a functional "stimulant" at low doses and as a narcotic at higher doses. I enjoy the "can't open my eyes" feeling and will keep trying to open them for hours rather than just submitting and going to bed!

But I think o-dt excels in combination with Methoxetamine.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Thanks for the quick reply.

By "safe" amounts of alcohol to have with o-dt i was thinking more about the slowing down effects on heart rate and breathing rather than passing out. Unfortunately my teenage years are long behind me, but i havent drunk alcohol to the point of passing out since my mid twenties.

So yeah i know my limts with drink, 4 cans is enough to get me buzzed. I was playing it safe and didnt want to push things too much, i didnt feel any need to. But the possibilty of CNS depression on breathing and heart rate with opiates concerns me..generally on moderate doses of opiates would you have to drink a hell of a lot for that to happen ? and generally if you go easy on the drink there shouldnt be anything to worry about ?

 

[knock]

Thanks for the quick reply.

By "safe" amounts of alcohol to have with o-dt i was thinking more about the slowing down effects on heart rate and breathing rather than passing out. Unfortunately my teenage years are long behind me, but i havent drunk alcohol to the point of passing out since my mid twenties.

So yeah i know my limts with drink, 4 cans is enough to get me buzzed. I was playing it safe and didnt want to push things too much, i didnt feel any need to. But the possibilty of CNS depression on breathing and heart rate with opiates concerns me..generally on moderate doses of opiates would you have to drink a hell of a lot for that to happen ? and generally if you go easy on the drink there shouldnt be anything to worry about ?

It sounds to me like your approach is safe enough, from my experience. I have noticed my breathing becoming slightly shallower when combining with a bottle of wine, but I am still alive This probably isn't helpful!

 

[foolsgold]

a little strange tip for you if chasing it off foil place a drop of water on to the foil just wet you finger tip twice to do this then place your powder on it, it will fizz then heat some how this makes it stronger and you get a nod with alot less

 

[knock]

a little strange tip for you if chasing it off foil place a drop of water on to the foil just wet you finger tip twice to do this then place your powder on it, it will fizz then heat some how this makes it stronger and you get a nod with alot less

How much are you chasing in one go to get a nod? Or do you build up to it?

 

[foolsgold]

i don't have scales so this is a ruff estimate say 10mg at most and no build up i just try it don't why a little voice in my head told me to so i did lol, plus i was on 2-dpmp as well the first time i did this also because this recrystallize and pops n spits make like a deep bowl with your foil say 2 inches at the side by 2 inch across the bottem then take your foil intake pipe and inhail it also this way you end up with alovely bit stuck to you pipe for afters

 

[knock]

Wow, if you get a nod off 10mg or anything like that then it really is efficient! Will have to try. I don't usually go for the nod but I would probably need about 150mg plugged.

 

[ashxcore]

I have access to 250mg of this substance and am opiate naive.

I was not fond of Tramadol and prefer to feel stimulated over sedated.

What dosage would you recommend for me? I'd rather IM, snort it, or plug it, in that order.

Is it perfectly water soluble? Any anticipated issues from IMing it? Duration of the three ROAs? Hangover the next day? Sorry if these questions were answered previously--this is a rather large thread, the last pages of which are littered with talk of methoxetamine and comparisons with other opioids.

 

[knock]

no hangover IME. If you plug it you might go for 35 - 50mg to stay at the perky end of the spectrum. Can't help with IM, I personally don't recommend sniffing. Duration - 1 dose is typically enough for me in a night unless I want to get the sedative effects.. half life is 9 hours. the peak as such probably lasts an hour to 90 mins but has a long tail. I've itched well into the next day.

 

[Ayrios]

I was a bit disappointed after reading reviews of this drug a couple years ago, but recall most being oral/intranasal doses. Are the people who really enjoy this mostly the lucky few who get strong opioid effects (in addition to the initial mood lift) from tramadol? I'm especially interested in IV/IM/RA use of it. Since I believe tramadol is responsible for the anti-depressant/mood-lifting/social half of a regular tramadol dose and the M1 metabolite (T+ 1:30 onward) is responsible for the opioid effects (weak for some, moderate for others), is it reasonable to assume o-Desmethyltramadol is all opioid in action? The effects on mood before the euphoria is what makes tramadol third only to heroin and demerol for me, even if it's only half an opioid to some...

 

[knock]

Since I believe tramadol is responsible for the anti-depressant/mood-lifting/social half of a regular tramadol dose and the M1 metabolite (T+ 1:30 onward) is responsible for the opioid effects (weak for some, moderate for others), is it reasonable to assume o-Desmethyltramadol is all opioid in action?

No, the (-) enantiomer is a nor-epinephrine reuptake inhibitor and both enantiomers are (weak) NMDA receptor antagonist (I think I have my terminology right I'm not a chemist).

I get mood lift from o-dt. I've only tried tramadol once and I don't really remember much of the experience, so I can't really compare.

Wikipedia says:

Similarly to tramadol, O-desmethyltramadol has also been shown to be a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor, 5-HT2C receptor antagonist, and M1 and M3 muscarinic acetylcholine receptor antagonist.[citation needed]

but "citation needed" doesn't help much.

Useful post: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...ine-Thread-The-3rd-Dose?p=9582530#post9582530

 

[Ayrios]

That company, which should not be named, is a legitimate source for reference chemicals. That means they sell to actual institutions and not users.

 

[Elisa Dewen]

Yea I used to enjoy tramadol before I got into OC. So yea I suppose it's not worth it with the seizure risk due to the tolerance now.

I was under the assumption that this drug (desmethyltramadol) was actually more potent than morphine. Could be wrong, but I doubt you'd need a high dose of it.

 

[Doug2113]

Um...From what I've heard, O-Desmethyltramadol is about 2-4x as potent as Tramadol. Morphine is a SHIT-TON more potent than Tramadol; more than 2-4x as potent at least...Tramadol, I believe, is about equi-analgesic with codeine.