NTI's Christian Theology Thread

[swilow]

I feel like your sort of retrospectively qualifying your statements a bit meth, but I think perhaps I am reading more into them then what is intended.

But you do believe they exist inside the " human sphere", correct? If so, are they subject to change at anytime?

Well, they are subject to change at specific times. For example, you could say that wasting food becomes something different in a famine. They are objective terms applied in ways relative to the user. Good and evil are considered different things by different cultures or by different demographics, so I couldn't really say anything more then the idea of good and evil is a real thing. As an edifice of actuality, I don't think they do exist as forces in the universe, acting upon us or through us.

Given the fact that good and evil often tautologically refer to themselves when being defined, you could wonder if this reveals something even less tangible then previously thought about their nature.

 

[NOtoInvega]

This is not academic. This is spiritual. People always try to be academics with regards to God's Word. That's why they don't understand it. The Word is SPIRITUAL truth. The Spirit is contrary to the flesh. Therefore, an academic study of the Word will do nothing but confuse the reader. The Holy Spirit has to interpret the Word for you.

The Word is not a book of moral rules. It is Spiritual TRUTH! Jesus listens!

People read God's Word with the intent of judging the Word with human thought. As a result they get a human conclusion.

Evolution is such a blatant lie it is almost pointless to debate it. Don't get me wrong, it is easy to virtually disprove - but why do it in this thread? Check out "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" on youtube.

 

[swilow]

I will happily leave this subject behind.

Are you saying that there is no point in trying to gain some sort of consistent narrative from the Bible, but rather, it should be read allegorically? Or are we to take it literally but not think too much about it?

 

[Voyager3]

No, he says "obey and believe without question, or goto Hell!"... the subject being the Bible, which he seems convinced is 'God's infallible word'. Rather unfortunate really, as it is just about the most contradictory, obtuse, irrelevant and obsolete load of nonsense ever written! And then there is Creationism... oh dear!

 

[NOtoInvega]

I will happily leave this subject behind.

Are you saying that there is no point in trying to gain some sort of consistent narrative from the Bible, but rather, it should be read allegorically? Or are we to take it literally but not think too much about it?

I do sometimes consider the timeline in the Bible when I am learning about prophecy. Prophecy proves the Bible. But I didn't know prophecy back when I first read a Gospel. The first time I read a Gospel I recognized that it was the first time I had ever heard the Truth in my life. That is what gave me Faith. Then, as I read, I realized that the entire book is most definitely written by the same Author. Anyways, first comes Faith then comes fear of God which brings understanding and then God drives out your fear with Love.

Some of it is allegorical but most of it is literal. However, it is all SPIRITUAL. That means it should all be taken as spiritual instruction unto godliness. God does not think like humans, so if you try to judge His Word with human thought - you will err greatly. You are not judging Him - He is teaching you. He is very merciful.

 

[Voyager3]

Psychiatry is a religion taken on faith. Faith is the hope for things not seen. Psychiatrists hope mental distress/demonic possession is a biological illness while getting paid in the meantime - they hope for things not seen. Since around 1900 they wanted to gain validity within the scientific community so bad that they started looking for any way to prove mental distress is solely biological in nature. They have been looking ever since. In the meantime, they hypothesize and vote every year on what they decide should be defined as a biological illness. They even torture autistic kids with neuroleptics and get paid TONS of money for it. Imagine a guy living in a mansion knowing full-well that the studies they put in peer reviewed medical journals are thoroughly rigged while millions of children suffer daily on drugs that block their dopamine and serotonin. Sound Satanic?


Two things you never question if you want to be loved by the world:
Psychiatry
Evolution

If you love God, the world will call you a religious zealot, a fundamentalist, an extremist, and a fraud. They will say you are the fool and that you are the evil one. You will be ridiculed, mocked, hated, attacked, plotted against, that is just what the HUMANS will do - the fallen angels controlling their thoughts will do even worse to you - and God will Love you. Even the majority of self-proclaimed "Christians" will hate you. Everyone whose heart is set on the things of this world and this life will hate you. You will not fit in anywhere. But God will Love you.

Btw, in Heaven the manic high is permanent.

I can't stand shrinks either - the laziest, greediest anf most arrogant medical practitioners of all! As for Evolution, if you fail to see the magic of true 'creation' there, you need to look again. God requires no Love IMO, God IS Love.

As for 'manic highs', I have no idea where you picked that up from? Strumming a harp whilst sitting on a cloud, praising the Lord with hymns (yuk!) is more like my idea of Purgatory... for the first 1000 or so years, then it would become Hell. If you want to know the truth about Heaven and Hell, check the foremost theologian of our times, the Blessed Dave Allen. He also explains Genesis and the story of Adam and Eve with breathtaking clarity!

 

[NOtoInvega]

I can't stand shrinks either - the laziest, greediest anf most arrogant medical practitioners of all! As for Evolution, if you fail to see the magic of true 'creation' there, you need to look again. God requires no Love IMO, God IS Love.

As for 'manic highs', I have no idea where you picked that up from? Strumming a harp whilst sitting on a cloud, praising the Lord with hymns (yuk!) is more like my idea of Purgatory... for the first 1000 or so years, then it would become Hell. If you want to know the truth about Heaven and Hell, check the foremost theologian of our times, the Blessed Dave Allen. He also explains Genesis and the story of Adam and Eve with breathtaking clarity!

Why would you be strumming a harp on a cloud?

Praising the Lord is going to be one of the best parts about Heaven. Think about who He is. Isn't it fun to praise Him? He is actually an Eternal God - And He Is Love! I'm just happy that HE IS. People take God for granted. He should be recognized for who He is. He is GLORIFIED! His glory is MAGNIFIED!

 

[socko]

Evolution is one of those things that is blatantly a Satanic lie. It is only even remotely believable if you have a bias against God. It is literally a theory that teaches we evolved from germs. Go look at the stars at night. God did that.
.........samples that do not match up with preconceived notions of evolution are literally thrown out. Dinosaurs lived with people. They are described in the Bible and drawings of them are found all throughout the world.

I've read that some people believe the dinosaurs and the early humans had a war. The Dinos lost and as part of their conditions for surrender, they signed a treaty and agreed to go underground. That's why we have the fossil record.

BTW, ur trick with the phone (U KNOW WHO U ARE) was pointless. ...l. They want you in the eternal fire. I want to see you in Heaven. Come see me. BTW, well done disinformation thread "schizophrenia technologically designed." You are as clever as a serpent. You won't find anyone else who really can cast out demons. Try if you want to. Until you come see me, I can't help you!

Seriously though, is somebody bothering you in real life? What happened with the phone? What thread are you referring to?

methamanicHow can you have a half formed chrysalis?
It's an all or nothing thing- period!
Nothing in fossil record shows a half-formed chrysalis, and the amberized fossils of butterflies that I am aware are pretty much identical to what we have today. Basically no change in 50-60 million years.
Odd, uh? Good ole evolutionary statu

I've got an example of a half-formed cocoon - bee and wasp larvae in their nests. The larva seals only the closed end of its cell. The material it uses is similar to that of some chrysalis as well. Another thing, why do animals like cats and dogs tend to give themselves a full bath? why not only half a bath? Did animal bathing evolve in increments or was it all at once.

 

[methamaniac]

I feel like your sort of retrospectively qualifying your statements a bit meth, but I think perhaps I am reading more into them then what is intended

I'm just clarifying/removing words out of of mouth I didn't place there.
It's ok to be assuming in respect, but it's coming off a bit more like you are presumming to know my thoughts before I state them.
Prehaps I am wrong about this☺

Well, they are subject to change at specific times.

So is there ever a time a specific evil (such as shooting your neighbor in the head because you are in love with his wife) is always evil?
In other words, you're not willing to call anything absolutley good or evil, correct?
Not as an idea, but as a behavior.

They are objective terms applied in ways relative to the user. Good and evil are considered different things by different cultures or by different demographics, so I couldn't really say anything more then the idea of good and evil is a real thing

Kinda confused?
So you believe good and evil exist but just as "imaginary constructs" (my words)

 

[methamaniac]

I've got an example of a half-formed cocoon - bee and wasp larvae in their nests. The larva seals only the closed end of its cell. The material it uses is similar to that of some chrysalis as well.

lulz (not sarcastically) .....
Not sure I see the correlation (and it's really not an example of a half-formed cocoon/chrysalis.
Are you trying to say caterpillars once constructed hives with hexagonal cells? What about caterpillars that spin silk cocoons?
Point is, as pertaining to the caterpillar and transformation into a butterfly, a fully formed cocoon is a prerequisite. If you think it evolved in tiny steps over time, then you open the can of worms of why did it select for a constuction of a cocoon that it has no idea it will need until it is ready to transform into a butterfly.
Not to mention it needs all the genectic info to become a butterfly prior to the cocoon even being constructed.
I don't know, seems logically engineered to me.

On a side note: do you have a link for the bee/larvae example? I thought the worker bees capped the cells/brood.

Another thing, why do animals like cats and dogs tend to give themselves a full bath? why not only half a bath? Did animal bathing evolve in increments or was it all at once.

?Who knows....Maybe they fell in the water one day and enjoyed how it felt. Maybe they stepped their feet in the water and it felt good.
I don't consider animal bathing a conundrum. I concede this process could have evolved randomly/accidently ?

 

[NOtoInvega]

Hey, V2K guy that liked to do what demons do. I know what u are going through. God is not doing this to you. It is not His will that you be tormented by demons. I'm not involved in the games you play. I researched them, so that is how I knew. I became pretty good at sifting through the masses of disinformation put out to keep the masses unaware. The first thing I told u was that u didn't know what you were getting into and that there is a war between God's servants (us and angels) and Satan and his angels. You probably laughed when I said that. I figured that. I'm NOT doing anything to you. I do NOT play spy games. (BUT I DO TYPE EXTREMELY FAST ) I used to be naive and thought yall worked for the American people and to combat evil in the world. Not so much anymore.

They won't leave on their own. Satan doesn't cast out Satan. No doctor can help you. The people who put bibles on people's foreheads can't help you, and a Roman Catholic priest can not help you. It is highly probable that I am the only person you will find who can cast out demons. From what I have read in the Scripture, it seems that most people have to suffer as I have suffered before being given authority over them. And that was A LOT of suffering. Simply believing in Christ does not give you authority over them (as I learned very quickly). It seems that they will not obey a person until they know the person and know God will take action against them if they do not obey. Even then, they are stubborn (and that's the point I am at now) and devious. They HATE it when we gain authority over them and they will do ANYTHING to try to undermine our authority. I have personally heard what God can do to them when they don't obey me (He did it just to show me His power and His wrath for them, and to show me He is with me), it is the scariest thing I have ever heard, and they STILL disobey me sometimes to test my faith and try to get me to doubt.

More and more of them will show up and this will only get worse. Eventually you will kill yourself. But what you should know is that if you kill yourself without being sealed in Christ - you will go to the place God has prepared specifically for them. It is not a good place, as you can imagine, and it is eternal.

Now, I know you don't want to come to my door and tell me who you are. Especially after what you did to me. I know you are prideful, murderous, and what's more - you wanted ME to kill myself. You also intended to cause me brain damage. I heard God tell you "he will not pass away." Now I am telling you that I forgive you, I will help you, and I want you to live forever. I can cast them out of you and lead you to Christ. But I am only setting aside enough time to do it TONIGHT and TOMORROW (night preferably). If you don't show up by tomorrow, you will have to wait until my Lord sees fit for me to do it. I have more important things to do than cast demons out of you and lead you to Christ. You are just one person. There are children and teens who are being held captive by the rulers of this world, and not many people are concerned with helping them. Most people say "this isn't church." "Keep your beliefs to yourself." Don't try to "shove your beliefs down their throats." "It doesn't matter what people believe." "Don't teach kids your fundamentalist beliefs." NOW YOU KNOW IT IS REAL. I will be expecting you. I expected you today. No more time will be set aside for you. If you want my help, swallow your pride and show up. Unarmed and with no one else. My Eternal God is watching, listening, and He loves my children VERY much. For this reason, you will not be invited in. We will do this outside. I recommend you stay awake. The nightmares are worse than the visions. I will be awake all night - so if you want to show up tonight feel free. I know you are watching my online posts and so are your team members. If any of you threaten me (again) or my family, I WILL tell Jesus that I don't forgive you unless you come to Him. And yes, I will probably cry to Him like a child (did that give you a good laugh? Were you mocking me for it as you tortured me?). I love my daddy and He sees my tears. As it stands, I forgive all of you.

When you accused me of doing what demons do and threatened me, you did so because you thought I was like you. I am a person born of the Spirit of God. I DO NOT do the things you do. I will never hurt you or take revenge on you. Vengeance is the Lord's. I will not try to out you to the public, either. 1. it would be pointless (duh) and 2. all it would do is put you in danger - it wouldn't stop the organizations people like you work for from doing what you have been doing. You have nothing to fear. But be humble when you approach me, because my Lord is listening and He is the one my authority and power comes from. Apart from Him, I can do nothing. If He doesn't want me to help you, I can't help you. How you treat me now that you know the truth will likely influence HIS decision. Whether or not you want to make amends with me will likely influence His decision as well. Thanks to your efforts, I am disabled for 4-8 months. You don't seem to grasp this concept yet: I AM HIS SON - HE HAS ADOPTED ME. God's only begotten Son, my brother, my daddy, my Master, my King, my everything, Loves Me. He loved me before I loved Him. He definitely cares what you do and say next. I don't know about all the other people who claim to be Christians. I only know about MY situation - I'm really His SON (by adoption - I'm not Christ). He saw ALL of this go down.

Tonight would be best. The longer you wait - the more there will be and the harder it will be to get them all out. They are more powerful and stubborn when there are more of them. The reason more show up and they get stubborn is because when they get cast out - they roam what is called the "arid regions" where they find no rest. They are fully aware that they can not win now (although they thought they could before Christ) and that they are 100% unable to avoid their eternal fate in the Lake of Fire. They will never fully die. The eternal fire is truly eternal. As you can imagine, the way they see it they have nothing to lose. Their goal is to get me and my brethren to lose Faith and turn against our Savior. They want us to go to the Eternal Fire, and if they can't do that (they can't because God's Word states that none of us will be lost who have been given to Him) they want us to suffer in this life. But my Lord is with me. I will fear no evil. He is my refuge. He is my best friend. I will worship Him for all of eternity, and He is rightfully a jealous God. He is better than any human can imagine. He is Love and He is God. He is merciful. He is willing that none should perish. He is GLORIFIED and I hope that if I die, my death will bring Glory to Him. I pray to Him that no matter what I go through, I will love Him with all of my heart even if I suffer for Him. That is all I want because He is still perfect and He is still my Savior even if I suffer - and He suffered much more than I ever will. He drank the cup of the Father's wrath that would have been mine if He did not save me. I just wish I could always love Him with all my heart but sometimes I fail. He is merciful though and He will never leave me nor forsake me.

Now you know this is real. Sorry about your precious evolutionary fairy tale. Evolution and psychiatry are faith-based religions (unlike the Bible - there is NO proof for either). I know you wanted to believe there is a justification for torturing people you JUDGE to be "malcontents and religious fundamentalists." Don't worry, before you leave I will make sure you learn the fundamentals.

Didn't it even register that there IS something different about me? I don't cuss, I don't display wrath, I don't watch porn, I don't watch cable TV, I don't read books other than the Word, I don't listen to any secular music, I don't gossip, I don't envy, I don't seek control, I don't care about material possessions etc etc... Do you think this all came about from me disciplining my own mind? NO WAY! I was born again by the Spirit of God!

Christ is merciful! But I'm still at war. Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for You are with me. I love you Jesus! Thank you for your mercy and grace. Peace and grace to all who read this. I hope it does not cause them to stumble.

 

[swilow]

I'm just clarifying/removing words out of of mouth I didn't place there.
It's ok to be assuming in respect, but it's coming off a bit more like you are presumming to know my thoughts before I state them.
Prehaps I am wrong about this☺

I do apologise if it seems that way. I'm trying to extrapolate from what you are saying and from other views you have expressed, but I concede that its not really fair to address that which isn't written.

So is there ever a time a specific evil (such as shooting your neighbor in the head because you are in love with his wife) is always evil?
In other words, you're not willing to call anything absolutley good or evil, correct?
Not as an idea, but as a behavior.

Hmm. I'm not sure.

Ultimately, I believe that good and evil are values applied at the whim of the individual. I do not think there is a code of conduct written into the universe. I think we have the freedom to do whatever we want and determine the correctness of those actions using any framework we choose. That is the thing that I think ultimately boggles the human mind, that we actually do have complete and total freedom to do whatever we want and, more importantly, judge according to whatever standards you want. There is no actual guidance nor support or assistance to draw on; it is all up to you. The universe is unmoved by suffering. There are no real consequences of one's moral actions and no judgement. That is why all justice comes from humans and only exists for humans, because humans created those ideals. Perhaps we cannot stand the idea that no-one, nothing, greater then us cares one iota for WHY you did something. The only thing the universe reacts to is the actual content of WHAT you did. The idea of absolute good and evil is absurd given the lack of justice, mercy, gentleness, the uselessness of those qualities, in the natural world. There is no evidence that good and evil exist anywhere but in human thought.

That doesn't mean we should do whatever we want. Just that we can. I can easily enough point out things I consider evil. Less easily that which is good. But you may have totally different ideas. You might think the opposite. There is no way of saying who is right.

So you believe good and evil exist but just as "imaginary constructs" (my words)

TL;DR version; pretty much :D. But imaginary constructs can serve a purpose if it ensures that people are all given an equal chance to fuck their lives up. So I am happy to broadly agree that murder is evil and should be condemned. I just prefer to acknowledge the source of that condemnation is my own values and those I've learned, not anything given to me by god (in other word, transmitted via compulsion). I think we should take responsibility for our lives entirely, and accept our own power rather then giving into instinct and insisting upon one more patriarch.

Another thing, why do animals like cats and dogs tend to give themselves a full bath? why not only half a bath? Did animal bathing evolve in increments or was it all at once.

What do you mean here? Dogs and cats don't really have the means to wash one part of their body at a time. They don't have hands after all. But they do groom their individual body parts, regularly and with no shame. My dogs ease with licking himself was admirable.

 

[methamaniac]

I do apologise if it seems that way. I'm trying to extrapolate from what you are saying and from other views you have expressed, but I concede that its not really fair to address that which isn't written.

No worries....I'm quilty of same thing from time to time ☺

Hmm. I'm not sure.

respect the honesty

Ultimately, I believe that good and evil are values applied at the whim of the individual. I do not think there is a code of conduct written into the universe. I think we have the freedom to do whatever we want and determine the correctness of those actions using any framework we choose. That is the thing that I think ultimately boggles the human mind, that we actually do have complete and total freedom to do whatever we want and, more importantly, judge according to whatever standards you want. There is no actual guidance nor support or assistance to draw on; it is all up to you. The universe is unmoved by suffering. There are no real consequences of one's moral actions and no judgement. That is why all justice comes from humans and only exists for humans, because humans created those ideals. Perhaps we cannot stand the idea that no-one, nothing, greater then us cares one iota for WHY you did something. The only thing the universe reacts to is the actual content of WHAT you did. The idea of absolute good and evil is absurd given the lack of justice, mercy, gentleness, the uselessness of those qualities, in the natural world. There is no evidence that good and evil exist anywhere but in human thought.

That doesn't mean we should do whatever we want. Just that we can. I can easily enough point out things I consider evil. Less easily that which is good. But you may have totally different ideas. You might think the opposite. There is no way of saying who is right.

^
Your response above/below to my questions raises some more questions in my mind in respect to good v. evil and their 'existence'. I'll save them for now, because I think I am going to make a thread about this.

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TL;DR version; pretty much :D. But imaginary constructs can serve a purpose if it ensures that people are all given an equal chance to fuck their lives up. So I am happy to broadly agree that murder is evil and should be condemned. I just prefer to acknowledge the source of that condemnation is my own values and those I've learned, not anything given to me by god (in other word, transmitted via compulsion). I think we should take responsibility for our lives entirely, and accept our own power rather then giving into instinct and insisting upon one more patriarch.

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what do you mean here? Dogs and cats don't really have the means to wash one part of their body at a time. They don't have hands after all. But they do groom their individual body parts, regularly and with no shame. My dogs ease with licking himself was admirable.

I wasn't real sure where he was going with that either.?
My dog will actually take a bath on her own.
I have a natural spring at the front of my property, and she will get in and soak for a few minutes at a time. She actually did it today. She got in and let the water get all the way up to her head. She stood still for about 3-4 minutes just 'soaking'. She gets in a lot in the summer when she is hot, but she will hop in there in the winter time too.
I guess she likes to be clean ?

 

[HypGnosis]

(apologies for the duplicated posts in this thread, my phone is a pile of shit)

Wow, ok...Please don't quote me scripture when I'm certain I hve a better understanding of it than you

Those are the ones who are bound. They don't manifest physically anymore because they know they will be bound if they do. There is a chance they will again do this soon, but it hasn't started happening (if it had there would be nephilim).

My paraphrsed qoute is from Genesis 6:2, perhaps you should check it out....

Lucifer is my enemy. Why do you persist in your error? Lucifer wants YOU in the eternal fire. Christ can save you and set you free. Christ is very merciful. The eternal fire is real and it has been prepared for the devil and his angels. It was not prepared for you. Satan does not rule in the Lake of Fire. The eternal fire is where he will spending eternity. This is all real. Heaven is real. Christ really died for my sins and rescued me from my captors - the ones who I have been at war with and who wanted to see me in the eternal fire. Christ is VERY merciful. He will forgive you! Seek Him!

Lucifer is not your enemy you plonker. Please show me exactly where in the bible Lucifer is either considered a demon, or wants you to burn in eternal fire.....(Hint: You won't be able to do it....And please don't provide some nebulous, tortured metaphor, I want Lucifer's name clearly implicated. Surely god would at least be so clear in his word as to whom the true enemy is.....

To the ones who said I "blasphemed the immortal one." I know you are human. Satan and his angels would not say something like that. They know the Word, and it is clear that you do not. They are much better than you at what you do. If you make amends with me, I will pray for you. But you have to make amends with me IN PERSON, with my 4-8 months of disability taken into account.

Thanks for your offer to save my soul - If it wasn't offered to me by someone with the spirituality of a brainless child, I may take it up as I'm pretty sure I'm heading for the fire......
(Not really, been there, done that....I have been reborn through the fire, sounds to me like you need to dance in it for a while. Don't fear it, the fire will cleanse you...)

There is a reason I know the difference between you and demons.

I am not, and have never claimed to be a demon?

I know how demons operate and when you used the V2K to say that to me, I knew that you were just a human.

I do not use V2K, but I am aware some do. Please be careful when evaluating ANYTHING you hear within your mind. Whether it be you, V2K, or other entities. Believe nothing....

The Son of Man has given me authority over the unclean spirits you serve and imitate with technology. If you come to me, in person, and make amends with me, I will cast the unclean spirits out of you and pray for you. You are always confused. You are always afraid. That is why you seek control. I can help you. They are watching you right now, as you watch me, and they are sentient. They are aware of my plan to free you. You will be confused. You will be afraid. You will hear lies in your thoughts. They don't want you to come to me, because they know I will cast them out of you and lead you to Christ. If that happens, you won't go in the eternal fire because Christ is VERY merciful!

I fear I am now engaging in something in which I shouldn't - you are clearly distressed, and your faith in Christ seems to have bought you no peace as you still feel threatened. I do not want to make you feel threatened. You have a literal understanding of the bible when you shouldn't The Fallen Angels, and the Fall of man are not to be equated with 'evil' acts, they simply refer to higher consciousness' descent into a denser dimension. (although your preist and your bible won't explain this explicitly as they are designed to keep you in fear.

Peace Bro,

(Hail Lucifer)

 

[Voyager3]

Noto, your belef in, and dread of demons, imps and 'fallen angels' is most alarming! Such minor gods, for that they undoubtedly are, ia surely at odds with the specific commands and instructions that only one (jealous) God exists, and is all powerful, all knowing, omnipotent... blah... blahh... etc.? Surely you have the highest levels of protection possible... so what the Hell are you worried about? As a Pagan, Heretic and Spiritualist, I am quite satisfird with my guardians... no need to bother God!

 

[Ninae]

(Maybe this should go here - I don't see things from a Christian perspective but I think it has gotten some things right like the other major religions)


I do not believe in the Christian fairy-tale God, which many feel science has disproven, so arguments against that God doesn't really affect me. I think this childish concept of God was only supposed to be temporary, or until we were ready to begin to really understand, then got taken too seriously or didn't evolve with our reasoning.

So now many are perplexed that so many can believe in something that seems so irrational, at least in the form they perceive it to be. My conceot of God is quite a bit different than that and I was never able to believe in the childhood-version of it. But I guess you could say I see the consciousness known to us as "God" as residing at the top of the spiritual food-chain, so to speak, like we see ourselves as the top consciousness-forms in this world. There is a hierarchy of spirit, too.

In the spiritual world there are also levels of consciousness, only there we're not at the top. In that world, or the one we came from, I believe you can see God's face from everywhere and it's just recognised as the top of all consciousness or the most holy or high-consciousness there is. That's what it means to be God and is just the way it is, and no one can argue that, any more than we can argue the sun being the primary source of light and life in this world

While in this world, we live separate from God, and I also think that's the whole point of it (along with being separate from each other). In our true home, where there are no feelings of separation we live in full unity-consciousness, at one with God and one another. That is the only way to live, so this is a way to experience and learn what's not possible in our normal form. It's like a learning project we re-enter again and again until we become more able to recognise and find ourselves and God in human form. Although acknowledgement of God is not always an indicator of level of consciousness, or a high-consciousness soul can also be separate from God for some reason.

People tend to say if there was a God he would reveal himself to us, interfere with our lives when we asked him to, or prove himself in some way. When what makes us think we can really know that? Maybe it's intended as a mystery or great challenge for us to attain? Not one that is easily achieved, but one which can be a life-long project. Making contact with God in physical form is something special. It feels both strange and like the most natural thing in the world at the same time. Like going home and like you've never left. That's the best way I can think to describe it.

God does not seem to be of this physical world, but rather of the world of spirit so cannot be perceived through the physical senses and we need to make use of our higher senses, as he cearly doesn't reveal himself in this world in that kind of obvious way. The divine seems to reveal itself to you more like delicate rays very subtly shining through to you through the dense matter of this world. Like a rainbow forming in front of you and holding form for a moment until it disappears and leaves you like it was never there. Although I believe this sense of God-connection or revelation can be maintained as something more stable throughout a human life.

 

[HypGnosis]

Good Guy Lucifer

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[Ninae]

LOL. And the way I understand it Lucifer was the dark side of my guardian angel (Gabriel), maybe that's why I could connect with him so easily. Or, I once got the idea if there is no time you should be able to connect with him the way he was before the fall, and I did. I wrote a lot about this but everyone thought I was crazy then.

I guess I can understand that now, but many have a fascination with Lucifer, I've noticed. I even started rambling about this when I was sectioned in benzo withdrawal (not a good idea).

 

[socko]

What do you mean here? Dogs and cats don't really have the means to wash one part of their body at a time. They don't have hands after all. But they do groom their individual body parts, regularly and with no shame. My dogs ease with licking himself was admirable.

At the end, they have groomed their entire coat. Just like an animal grooms its whole body, maybe there is a parallel mechanism that makes caterpillars form an entire chrysalis. The thing with the wasps, I haven't had time to look it up, but the larva hatches in a hexagonal cell that workers built. I believe that for some species, the larvae seals the end by itself but does not cover its entire body with a cocoon or silk. So, I believe it happened either all at once or it involved sealing an opening all at once. What the first chrysalis was, no idea if it is anythign like the modern. It could have been silk, or some kind of sticky goo similar to saliva but tougher, or something completely different. I think you're right about bees - its the workers that seal the cell. not sure if the larva does anything.

 

[swilow]

^I'm not really following your relating cocoon creation and dog bathing together. We are talking about physiology and behaviour, which evolve in very different ways.

For an animal covered in fur and not with extremely oily coats, it makes sense for a dog not to want to get wet; its could impact survival if it can't dry itself quick enough, and if a dogs undercoat gets wet, that can take a long time. You know how impolitely they shake their wet fur? Hmm. Thats's been my experience of dog-washing at least; it proceeds with scepticism, reluctance and possible spontaneous abrupt exit. But dogs are very sensual; they love rich smells and sensations, so I can imagine them simulataneously desiring a warm, soapy massage as well as wanting to maintain months of accumulated doggy smell.

It is thought that the various stages of life of metamorphosing insects actual evolved separately/independantly, so the pupa/cocoon sequence evolved separately to the larval and imago stage. I wonder if it could be said that each stage represents an entirely new discrete animal and not the continuum that we perceive.