NTI's Christian Theology Thread

[NOtoInvega]

I thought that was what Christ tried to teach us and was eventually killed for? That he dared to point to the god in himself and within us all ("Seek the kingdom of heaven within you"). At least many take it to mean that he came to tell us God resides in ourselves, all of us, and that's also how I understand it.

His mission was very successful for himself but didn't really succeed in uplifting humanity the way he aimed for. If it had been more of us would have become LIKE Christ, and not just come to worship Christ, though I realise that sounds like blasphemy to you.

But we can all experience a moment of God-identification and go out to share our experience with others, think about what that means. God-identification just means getting pulled into the part of yourself that is one with God at all times, but I find it hard to imagine what it would be like to always feel that way. For most this would be a peak-experience, not an everyday-kind of thing.

Christ did not come to teach us that we are God, as "enlightenment" (ancient doctrine of demons) teaches. The reason He died was to pay the debt incurred by our sins. If any of us die, our sins are not paid for in this because the default wages of sin is death. But He never sinned and died in our place. As a result, the Holy Spirit was sent to live in us (those of us who believe He is God's Son, died for our sins, and rose from the dead - Him being the Word made flesh).

The idea that we are all Gods (literally Christ reincarnated) comes from demons. It is the basis of the "word of faith" movement (TV preachers like Kenneth Copeland who believe Christ is not opposed to us being rich - and that if you are poor it is because you are not right with God). When the Scripture says "ye are gods," it means that we are made in God's IMAGE (this is what makes us different than animals) - but not literally Gods. The concept that we are literally able to become equal with God by acquiring knowledge (enlightenment) is a lie directly from the ruler of this world, and is the one he told Adam and Eve in the Garden.

God's Son is the only man (Son of Man) who has ever been perfect. He never violated God's Love (a violation of God's commandments is a violation of Love). Since He died in our place, taking the wrath of the Father for us, He conquered Satan, sin, and death itself. Death is His last enemy, and death itself will be thrown in the Lake of Fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

We can never be one with God. Only Christ is one with the Father (which means He is God). To be one with God is to literally be God. However, God can abide in us and us in Him through Christ.

Christ was not looking to uplift humanity. In fact, friendship with the world is enmity with God. His mission was to fulfill the Law (Love is the fulfillment of the Law). God is Love. However, God's Love is not of this world. There is a false light in this world that comes from Satan (and is the basis of every spiritual error, including "enlightenment," Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam etc etc).
Love Fulfills the Law
…9For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." 10Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Since Christ fulfilled the Law (never violated God's Love) and died in our place, God's Love can be perfected in us

Love Comes from God
…17By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world. 18There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love. 19We love, because He first loved us.…

Real Love is NOT of this world, and Christ was not here to benefit humanity (those born of the flesh) but rather to save those who are foreknown by God to be among those who will receive the Holy Spirit (God is Spirit - Spirit gives birth to Spirit). Flesh gives birth to flesh, and those who are born of the flesh persecute those who are born of the Spirit.

Do Not Love the World
15Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.…

Romans 12:2
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.


We are not all God's children. Satan is the god of this world, and he has many children in it. God's children are those who are adopted by God through His Son. We will be conformed to the image of His Son.

This will benefit you:

The Truth Will Make You Free

31So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 32and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.” 33They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never yet been enslaved to anyone; how is it that You say, ‘You will become free’?” 34Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin. 35“The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever. 36“So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed. 37“I know that you are Abraham’s descendants; yet you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38“I speak the things which I have seen with My Father; therefore you also do the things which you heard from your father.”
39They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you are Abraham’s children, do the deeds of Abraham. 40“But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do. 41“You are doing the deeds of your father.” They said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father: God.” 42Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me. 43“Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. 44“You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45“But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me. 46“Which one of you convicts Me of sin? If I speak truth, why do you not believe Me? 47“He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.”
48The Jews answered and said to Him, “Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?” 49Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me. 50“But I do not seek My glory; there is One who seeks and judges. 51“Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death.” 52The Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon. Abraham died, and the prophets also; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word, he will never taste of death.’ 53“Surely You are not greater than our father Abraham, who died? The prophets died too; whom do You make Yourself out to be?” 54Jesus answered, “If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God’; 55and you have not come to know Him, but I know Him; and if I say that I do not know Him, I will be a liar like you, but I do know Him and keep His word. 56“Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” 57So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” 58Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” 59Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.

It is impossible to become like Christ without worshiping Him. Part of being like Christ is to abide in God's Love, and anyone who abides in God's Love worships His Son. Even God's Holy Angels worship His only begotten Son, and they had no need of a savior.

God is not of this world. The ruler of this world is Satan. Christ said Satan has nothing in Him because Christ never violated God's Love and He did not love the things of this world. Although God so loved the world that He sent His only Son to bring eternal life - God is opposed to this world and He does not love what is of this world.

Peace I Leave with You
…29"Now I have told you before it happens, so that when it happens, you may believe. 30"I will not speak much more with you, for the ruler of the world is coming, and he has nothing in Me; 31but so that the world may know that I love the Father, I do exactly as the Father commanded Me. Get up, let us go from here. (notice He said HE HAS NOTHING IN ME)

1 John 3:8
The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work.


To understand the Word of God, everything must be considered from the perspective of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The volume of the Word is about Him, and He literally was the Word made flesh.

I pray that you will read the Gospel of John. Receive a love for the Truth and God will give you wisdom. I assure you, with the utmost certainty, that Jesus is God's Son and everything in the Word is true. Only read from the NASB or the KJV (the rest of the translations are either corrupted or mistranslated, but God DID preserve His Word as He promised He would). Here is a link to the Gospel of John (NASB). I say this out of love: I desire greatly to see you in Heaven. I have been serving Christ for some time now, and He has given me understanding. If anything in the Gospel of John gives you trouble, send me a message. I am here for you. http://biblehub.com/nasb/john/1.htm

The Truth will set you free! I was once in captivity, being held captive by Satan's angels. I know what tricks they will use to try to keep you captive. They attack me every day now. Fighting in this war comes at a cost to me, so do not hesitate to message me if you have trouble. I go through what I go through in service to Christ in order to help Him free others from what once enslaved me.

The reason we need Faith before we receive proof (and we do receive proof) is because we are saved by grace through Faith. Our FAITH in God's Son is what causes us to be clothed with HIS righteousness, and the prayers of a righteous person are heard in Heaven. Because of our Faith, we are accounted as righteous, and this is what causes God to act on our behalf. Satan therefore looks to undermine our Faith because Satan knows that Faith is what causes God to do His will in this fallen world. God's will is not done in this world, and it does literally belong to the devil. The devil's angels constantly remind me that I am in their territory. I do suffer spiritual attacks quite often as a result of fighting in this war. It was harder to deal with before God opened my eyes and let me see and hear my accusers. I have met Jesus Christ (both in person and in a vision), His angels (both in the physical and in a vision), and God has opened my ears and my eyes to our accusers (they do accuse the Saints day and night). This is all very real. God gives a Spirit of peace - not a spirit of fear leading to slavery again. Not a spirit of confusion. When Satan's angels surround me and attack me, God feels so far away and I can not describe the despair it causes. But I know that they are MUCH stronger than me if I don't have the full armor of God on, and if God had not been protecting me - they would have either possessed me or killed me many times over. I just want you to know that my service comes at a cost, and I am here for you. If you have ANY trouble, send me a message.

I would have gone through all of the persecution Satan has thrown at me (and it has been quite a lot) to win just one soul. Thankfully, it appears that I may have won quite a few more than just one. But let it be known to you that I would have endured all of this JUST FOR YOU. This is all very real.

Click the link to the Gospel of John I sent you and read it. If you run into a passage that gives you trouble, message me. The Holy Spirit will interpret it for you, but I know that your enemy will seek to confuse you. Do as I have asked you, and you will know the Truth, and He will set you free.

Christ is merciful! Peace and grace to you from my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[Ninae]

Christ did not come to teach us that we are God, as "enlightenment" (ancient doctrine of demons) teaches.

Unfortunately I think that old, fundmentalist, religious approach is closer to a "doctrine of demons" for many reasons. It teaches you you need to trust in an authority outside yourself and that you have no inherent divine nature save for the grace of Christ, etc.

This also isn't liberating and keeps you dependent on outside forces. You should only feel the need to submit to the authority of God and not the many "churches" of belief in this world. I really don't believe anyone can die for your sins. And Jesus was immortal and never really died. He ascended to heaven and showed us you can transcend this world through the spirit.

Healing energy can be interesting to work with as it's an example of how higher energy can work in a healing way in the physical world. But this also has a science behind it and is not really miraculous. People tend to think something that can be explained scientifically can't also be spiritual, or that it has to be one or the other, but I don't think that makes any sense. Everything that has been created has a science behind it but before that was discovered everything seemed miraculous to us. As an example, the sun is powerful on both the physical and spiritual level, and there is a science to describe both dimensions of it, like there is with the human being.

 

[NOtoInvega]

What really is enlightenment? We've seen frauds throughout history who claim to be gods. Sai Baba was one. He claimed he was enlightened and promised the same to his followers, many of which believed he was a god. But in the end, it was shown that he used parlour tricks.

You said it i nanother thread, but I don't feel like posting in multiple threads. A lucid dream is only a dream but one in which you start to wake up, at least mentally. The dreamer knows it's a dream. I'm not sure how there is anything magical about it. What do you mean when you say 'magic,' anyway? What is a sorceror? When those fallen angels start announcing winning stock market picks or lottery numbers beyond the rate of chance in dreams, I have a feeling a lot of people will want to become sorcerors, but so far, it isn't happening.

A sorcerer is someone who is in contact with Satan's angels for the purpose of influencing the world around them. Examples would be Jay-Z, Aliester Crowly, Nazi scientists during the Holocaust, Hitler etc etc...

Magic is similar to sorcery. Magic is demonic deception. Examples would be mind control, hypnotic anchoring, subliminal messaging, psycho-spiritual deception (IE Masonic rituals), and even simple optical illusions. It does involve demons, but in this case the person using it does not always know that they are actually working with demons. They might think they are just using psychological tricks, for example. This is common among spies. Or they might think they are just using something like the Law of Attraction (The Secret). In reality, they are using demonic magic. Here is an example of magic (counterfeit miracles) vs God's miracles. The story of Moses in Egypt. http://biblehub.com/nasb/exodus/7.htm

There is only one true enlightenment, and that is the light that Jesus Christ brings. The rest is a false light, coming from fallen angels. All spiritual errors are a result of fallen angels. There is One Truth, One Way, One Light, and One Life - God's Son.

What is commonly called "enlightenment" is occult knowledge that people believe brings them to godhood. It is referred to in the Bible as the "so-called deep secrets of Satan." It is Satanic knowledge and wisdom. It is commonly passed down in secret societies (Rosicruicians, Masons, Gnosticism, Order of the Golden Dawn, Theosophy etc etc... they all teach the same things) 24'But I say to you, the rest who are in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not known the deep things of Satan, as they call them-- I place no other burden on you. 25'Nevertheless what you have, hold fast until I come.…

Like I have said, nothing in the Word nor in the spiritual realm nor even in the world can be understood without first understanding the Gospel. The Gospel of John is the best Gospel to start with: http://biblehub.com/nasb/john/1.htm If you have any questions, send me a message.

Grace and peace to you from my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

 

[NOtoInvega]

Unfortunately I think that old, fundmentalist, religious approach is closer to a "doctrine of demons" for many reasons. It teaches you you need to trust in an authority outside yourself and that you have no inherent divine nature save for the grace of Christ, etc.

I am extremely fundamentalist. I take the Word of God very literally. I believe that the only allegory in it is what God makes clear to be allegory. And it is in this that I came to know that the Roman Catholic Church is not God's Church, and came to know that we are in the great apostasy. The only place you will find the Truth is in God's Word.

The only divine in me is the Holy Spirit. Before being born of the Spirit of God, I was a natural man born of the flesh. I was not God's child. I was raised Catholic and when I was a Catholic, I was not God's child. That is not to say that no Catholics are God's children, but rather it is to say that Catholic doctrine is often error. For instance, bowing to images and statues is an abomination to the LORD. I did not become His child until He sent His Holy Spirit to live in me and give me Life. I greatly desire the same thing for you. You are currently a captive to the ruler of this world. Understanding that we are saved by grace through faith, and not by our own works, is critical to receiving grace from God. If you rely on your own righteousness, you will never receive Christ's righteousness and therefore will never become truly righteous.

If you have never read the Gospel of John, and have only gone to church/heard from other people, you have almost certainly heard mostly lies about Him. I heard about Him my whole life, and when I read the Gospel I was shocked to discover that everyone was lying.

I am saved by grace through faith. God calls Himself the God of Grace!

Please consider reading the Gospel of John. Your enemy, the ruler of this world, wants to stop you from doing this. They know you will learn the Truth and it will set you free.

Ask God to guide you. Ask Him whether or not you should do as I ask. He will give you peace and let you know that I am truly His servant. He listens!

I'm here for you. Message me any time. I will never lie to you. I have nothing worldly to gain from you, I don't want your church membership nor do I want your money, and I offer you my service free of charge.

 

[NOtoInvega]

People tend to think something that can be explained scientifically can't also be spiritual, or that it has to be one or the other, but I don't think that makes any sense. Everything that has been created has a science behind it but before that was discovered everything seemed miraculous to us.

It still is miraculous. Figuring out how God designed things doesn't make it any less miraculous. In fact, the more that is discovered, the more evident the miraculous nature of creation becomes. Too bad about that fall and the law of entropy. One day death and decay will be no more, though, thanks to the victory of Christ over Satan, sin, and death.

The spiritual realm is commonly theorized to be extra-dimensional. There is likely some form of scientific explanation for how the spiritual world works. Jude 1:6 . 6And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,

Fallen angels did, in the days of Noah, leave their "proper abode" (what is likely the dimensions they operate in) and mate with human women (resulting in giants - nephilim). This is why fallen angels do not manifest in physical bodies, but God's Holy Angels still do. If a fallen angel were to do this, they would be bound up in the darkness. The ones who rule this world have dominion over it, spiritually, for the time being. All of God's decisions are based on His character - He is Love. We can't understand everything. The Parable of the Wheat and the Weeds explains why God has not put an end to all of the evil in this world yet and why it is not all subjected to Him yet. It appears that Lucifer, in his rebellion, found a way to entangle Satan's children and God's children at the roots after he gained dominion over the world at the Fall. I think most of what Lucifer did and does after His rebellion is based on him trying to find a way to get out of going in to the Lake of Fire. He knows how God thinks. He used to live with God and he was literally one of God's most powerful creations. I don't understand everything about how this happened, but I do know that God created His angels in Love. I don't understand why Lucifer rebelled, trying to take over God's throne, and in truth I almost don't want to. He knew that God created everything that exists, and ON TOP OF THAT GOD IS LOVE. Why would someone ever rebel against Him? I almost don't want to know.

God actually didn't prepare the Lake of Fire for humans. His mercy and grace is intended for us. The Lake of Fire was prepared for Satan and his angels, the father of all lies. They are the ones who caused all of the evil and suffering on this Earth.

God doesn't want any of us to suffer. He is willing that none should perish. However, as a result of the war, Satan causes the Saints to be persecuted and suffer. God promises to glorify the saints with Christ as a result of our suffering.

Fallen angels never stop talking about God's judgments. It is the main thing they talk about. They want people to think God is evil and wants to trap people and hurt them. The Truth is that God IS Love. Such an amazing revelation for someone born in a world that is so corrupt and evil and filled with suffering and sorrow. The reality is that the Lake of Fire was not meant for humans, but rather fallen angels. They are aware of their fate in the eternal fire, by the way. That is part of why they don't want you to find the Truth and receive God's mercy and grace. They are fully aware that upon the day of judgment, they will be judged and cast into the eternal fire. I almost can't believe that they rebelled against such a perfect God. How miraculous it is that God is Love.

 

[swilow]

^This is just getting tedious. You are using every topic to promote Christianity. Its that form of aggressive Christianity that is totally repelling and serves only to alienate people. It has the opposite effect that is intended; make of that what you will.

 

[murphythecat]

seriously Moderators, can you do your job?

 

[ebola?]

seriously Moderators, can you do your job?

This type of sentiment is a lot more effective when delivered as a reported post.

ebola

 

[alasdairm]

I take the Word of God very literally.

exodus 35:2: "For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a day of sabbath rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it is to be put to death.". you believe anybody who works on a sunday should die? you were posting on bluelight last sunday. you were supposed to be resting. should you be put to death?

the word of god is full of nonsense like this which, if you interpret it one way, christians will tell you "you don't understand. you are interpreting that too literally". then, if you interpret something another way, christians will tell you "you don't understand. you are not interpreting that literally enough"! the conclusion is obvious.



alasdair

 

[Xorkoth]

NOtoInevga - I appreciate the post simply due to what you believe you have risked to make it. It seems like you're coming from a good place inside. But seriously, this sounds either cultish or schizophrenic. Do you really believe that you're going to be attacked by fallen angels because you posted this?

I met Jesus Christ IN PERSON after that.

Right after meeting Christ, I failed Him and was overpowered by the enemy. I was possessed and ended up in a psych ward. They found me claiming to be God. The fallen one was talking through me and telling me he wasn't going to let me talk. It had me claiming to be Christ. It was the worst experience of my life. They are more evil than you can imagine.

Please pray for me.

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I will pray for you because I really do think you need it, just not for the reasons you think you do.

 

[sekio]

I have merged dozens of seemingly unrelated posts to this thread, please keep rambling Biblical discussion confined here, thanks.

 

[NOtoInvega]

NOtoInevga - I appreciate the post simply due to what you believe you have risked to make it. It seems like you're coming from a good place inside. But seriously, this sounds either cultish or schizophrenic. Do you really believe that you're going to be attacked by fallen angels because you posted this?



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I will pray for you because I really do think you need it, just not for the reasons you think you do.

I was being attacked by fallen angels up until today. They never let up on me. I believe the most likely reason for this is because of how much ground I was gaining in the war. I have reached so many people that I am not sure if I can even estimate the number. When I learned the Truth about Jesus - I started spending all day every day preaching online and in the streets.

I took a loss one time and they took control of my mind. That was when I ended up in a psych ward. Surprisingly, this was RIGHT AFTER I met Jesus Christ in person. They got me to doubt ONE Scripture and that was all they needed.

I used to always wonder why commanding them to leave in the name of Jesus Christ never worked. Now I know. Not every believer has authority over the rulers of this world, contrary to the opinion of many. Many people, especially on TV, either pretend to cast out demons for personal gain OR are deceived and think they are casting them out.

But today was a fairly special day for me. My Savior Jesus Christ gave me authority over the fallen angels. He did that this morning. Since then, they are unable to attack me. God lets me see them entering the room and I command them to leave before they even start, and they finally are subjected to me.

I didn't know this, but it is probably pretty rare that someone actually has authority over them. It has become somewhat evident to me that you have to go through what I went through in order to be given authority over Satan and his angels.

In fact, a fallen angel is confusing you about me. You have not received a spirit of fear leading back to slavery! Not from God!

I command you to leave this person alone, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. (watch - your fear/confusion will dissipate)

Anyways, I just know that the Bible is the literal Word of God. I also know that schizophrenia does not exist. Schizophrenia is spiritual - NOT biological.

I'm not a cult member though. Back when I was a Roman Catholic I was a cult member. Since then I have discovered the wonder of casting off false impressions.

Look, I know that there is a part of you that thinks this all sounds crazy. To a worldly person, it does sound crazy. But there is a reason your fear and confusion are dissipating. The rulers of this world are subjected to me, as I have victory through Christ. It is such a relief to have authority over them. THEY NEVER LET UP ON ME. Even up until this morning. And right after He gave me victory over them, I was able to command them to leave me alone. I have not been oppressed since then. Ask God if I am His servant. He will reveal the truth about me to you. He listens! Send me a PM if you ever want to discuss God with me. I am here for you!

And thank you for your prayers. While you might be misguided in what you believe I struggle with, the intent of your heart is good. I do appreciate your prayers. God does listen! I will pray for you as well.

Peace and grace to you from the Lord Jesus Christ. To Him be the dominion forever. All things are not yet subjected to Him - BUT THEY WILL BE!

 

[NOtoInvega]

exodus 35:2: "For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a day of sabbath rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it is to be put to death.". you believe anybody who works on a sunday should die? you were posting on bluelight last sunday. you were supposed to be resting. should you be put to death?

the word of god is full of nonsense like this which, if you interpret it one way, christians will tell you "you don't understand. you are interpreting that too literally". then, if you interpret something another way, christians will tell you "you don't understand. you are not interpreting that literally enough"! the conclusion is obvious.



alasdair

That was the Old Covenant. And yes, violations of God's Love were dealt with differently back then. Also, the Sabbath is every day now (our rest is in Christ) as far as I can see.

God is a jealous God. First read the Gospel of John. You have to understand that God is God and also Love. Until you comprehend that, NOTHING in the Word will make sense.

But yes, I take the Word very literally. I know that Christ rose from the dead, I know that Satan (a sentient fallen angel) is the ruler of this world, and I know that I will live forever with God (who is Love).

Here u go: http://biblehub.com/nasb/john/1.htm (ONLY use NASB or KJV. They are the only translations that were done correctly. NASB being preferable IMO.) Until you have read that, you will never be able to understand the Word.

 

[NOtoInvega]

I have merged dozens of seemingly unrelated posts to this thread, please keep rambling Biblical discussion confined here, thanks.

Not a bad idea! Thanks sekio. Prayin for u!

 

[NOtoInvega]

I do not rejoice because demons are subjected to me now (although life just got A LOT easier), but rather because I am written in the Book of Life! The LORD is merciful, and His Love is so pure and so perfect! He IS Love. God is God and God is Love!!! ALL credit and glory to God alone. What a joy it is to know that I will be allowed to worship Him for all of Eternity. Rightfully so, He is a jealous God. Rightfully so, He is exalted above all. Rightfully so, all will be subjected to Christ. Victory is truly His! He is not far away even when He feels far away. He is right there!

MY LORD conquered death, Satan, Hell, and sin. I am blessed beyond measure, for I am His servant and He acknowledges me as His servant! He suffered greatly to free me from slavery and to ensure my Salvation. I just, with all sincerity, hope that I will always (NO MATTER WHAT I GO THROUGH) Love Him with all my heart - and as a result be pure in my thoughts at all times.

Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Christ is very merciful! Peace and grace to all of you from the God of Grace, My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Rightfully so, He is a jealous God. He despises idol worship. He takes mercy on those who turn to Him!

 

[socko]

A sorcerer is someone who is in contact with Satan's angels for the purpose of influencing the world around them. Examples would be Jay-Z, Aliester Crowly, Nazi scientists during the Holocaust, Hitler etc etc...

Magic is similar to sorcery. Magic is demonic deception. Examples would be mind control, hypnotic anchoring, subliminal messaging, psycho-spiritual deception (IE Masonic rituals), and even simple optical illusions. It does involve demons, but in this case the person using it does not always know that they are actually working with demons. They might think they are just using psychological tricks, for example. This is common among spies. Or they might think they are just using something like the Law of Attraction (The Secret). In reality, they are using demonic magic. Here is an example of magic (counterfeit miracles) vs God's miracles. The story of Moses in Egypt. http://biblehub.com/nasb/exodus/7.htm

Did you know that some cults use mind control techniques to control their own members? For the most part, they are psychological tricks like subliminal messages, sef-hypnosis and suggestion, keeping the member busy and exhausted to the point where they can't trhink clearly. One gives them too much credit by imagining that they have magical powers and can control supernatural forces. But on the other hand, some cults threaten their members with supernatural punishment - "psychic attack," sending demons, withdrawal of psychic support. egrégore is an example of the last one. Even ex-communication and eternal damnation in the case of certain religious groups.

There is only one true enlightenment, and that is the light that Jesus Christ brings. The rest is a false light, coming from fallen angels. All spiritual errors are a result of fallen angels. There is One Truth, One Way, One Light, and One Life - God's Son.

What is commonly called "enlightenment" is occult knowledge that people believe brings them to godhood. It is referred to in the Bible as the "so-called deep secrets of Satan." It is Satanic knowledge and wisdom. It is commonly passed down in secret societies (Rosicruicians, Masons, Gnosticism, Order of the Golden Dawn, Theosophy etc etc... they all teach the same things) 24'But I say to you, the rest who are in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not known the deep things of Satan, as they call them-- I place no other burden on you. 25'Nevertheless what you have, hold fast until I come.…

Like I have said, nothing in the Word nor in the spiritual realm nor even in the world can be understood without first understanding the Gospel. The Gospel of John is the best Gospel to start with: http://biblehub.com/nasb/john/1.htm If you have any questions, send me a message.

Grace and peace to you from my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Secret societies like Rosicruicians, Masons, Gnosticism, Order of the Golden Dawn, Theosophy are all based on the same ideas (very roughly you might call it "Christian Mysticism" although most Christians would probably disagree), and in some cases some were even founded by the same person -- so it would make sense that whatever special secret knowledge they are teaching, "enlightment" if you like, is the same thing too.

 

[NOtoInvega]

Secret societies like Rosicruicians, Masons, Gnosticism, Order of the Golden Dawn, Theosophy are all based on the same ideas (very roughly you might call it "Christian Mysticism" although most Christians would probably disagree), and in some cases some were even founded by the same person -- so it would make sense that whatever special secret knowledge they are teaching, "enlightment" if you like, is the same thing too.

They teach that Lucifer is good (theosophy and Masons do anyways). They teach that Lucifer made a "great sacrifice for mankind." I won't get into the details. It is extremely evil stuff, and it is all based around obtaining knowledge and then using it to control others.

Yes Rosicrucions (SP?) call themselves "Christians." So do Knights Templar Masons. They are about as Christian as Republicans. Not at all. Anyways, they teach people about occult knowledge (so-called deep secrets of Satan). They practice demonic magic.

The common denominator in them is "hidden knowledge." The Truth is ALWAYS propositional. God did not hide the Truth.

Of course, they have no idea who Lucifer actually is. They may have read the words, but they have never experienced the reality. If they had, they would run from hidden knowledge!

Anyways, it is ironic that they say that Lucifer is good and then complain when people call them Satan-worshipers. They practice magic, knowingly, and they engage in "psycho-spiritual" experiences (they manipulate each other spiritually for fun, while being lead to believe it is just psychological). Stay away from secret clubs.

 

[jammin83]

They are about as Christian as Republicans.

Good one!

 

[socko]

They teach that Lucifer is good (theosophy and Masons do anyways). They teach that Lucifer made a "great sacrifice for mankind." I won't get into the details. It is extremely evil stuff, and it is all based around obtaining knowledge and then using it to control others.

Yes Rosicrucions (SP?) call themselves "Christians." So do Knights Templar Masons. They are about as Christian as Republicans. Not at all. Anyways, they teach people about occult knowledge (so-called deep secrets of Satan). They practice demonic magic.

The common denominator in them is "hidden knowledge." The Truth is ALWAYS propositional. God did not hide the Truth.

As somebody who whose parents and grand parents were members of some of those groups, I saw that the offer of "hidden knowledge" was one of the ways they influence their members. The promise of personal power and wealth is a powerful mind control technique. So is the belief that you are a member of a unique and persecuted group and that you are part of an elite inner society that knows something powerful that the rest of the world is blind to. "Join us, take our Oaths, worship with us, do what we ask, give us your money, and many of the hidden (= occult) secrets of the universe will be yours along with great personal psychic powers." It's kind of like the carrot-on-a-stick scam.
The part about being part of an elite secret society is used to isolate members.
"If they really know something that would benefit humanity, why would they keep it hidden? " is what I used to ask myself. Anything that can be used to help people should be out in the open for everyone to use.

 

[HypGnosis]

Crowley asked himself that same question socko, and subsequently decided to publish the inner workings of the mystery schools.... Op, being a fallen angel myself, let me just assure you that the power of your christ exerts no control over me. The entities you are likely encountering are your own thoughtforms, and so would play along with delusional christian belief system. p.s Lucifer is not the imaginary being satan....The angels are here to help, Hail Lucifer.