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New RCs in the UK Ver.3 - Get your disappointment in here

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I know very little about chemistry but if the legal loophole was as simple as this all along why has no one thought of releasing/selling this version until now !?

We'll have to wait and see if it effective, or just a hoax/scam......

Yeh I was thinking the same thing. I'm going to stay very sceptical until I have it in my sweaty palms with my jaw swinging like a pendulum.

Applied for the sample, will wait and see. Anyone know of a release date?
 
The vendor's website says that it must be kept away from moisture otherwise "the ketal will hydrolise to mephedrone". So I guess it is the ketal version of mephedrone - i.e. two OH groups attached to the beta carbon.

No idea what it will be like subjectively.


The 2 OH groups exist in a state of equilibrium with the ketone, so any sample will have mephedrone present to some extent. The people selling this had better have a working 'get out of jail free card' or it'll end in tears (lots of tears - & fines - & probably stays in one of queen Liz's 'health camps')


Camfetamine (N-methyl analogue of Fencamfamine) has just been announced for release this month. Thoughts?

=D=D=D=D=D=D=D=D=D=D (and where are the paper tissues for later!)
 
la-dee-da-dee-da

why hello there FnB! It's nice to see you come around.
You probably don't know/remember me, but I am obsessed with your posts and the knowledge you've brought to the community.
Hope to see you stick your head in more often!

-ekt
 
The people selling this had better have a working 'get out of jail free card'
I imagine that they'll stack so much paper so quickly that they'll be able to afford highly competent legal defence by the time anyone notices. Not that they'll mind; after the cathinone ban, the law seemed to be "No selling mephedrone as mephedrone. If you sell it, sell it as naphyrone or 6-apb or prolintane or dimethocaine or...". If it were me, I'd do it from outside the country anyway.
 
I believe that they are in fact doing it from outside the country.

a whois search revealed that it is a dutch site. But then again that doesn necessarily mean that it is operating from there.
 
This is an absolutely epic idea. There is no way to prove the contents contain cathinones without opening the container and testing them. By doing so, the chemical formulae will change and the container now WILL contain cathinone. Surely this couldn't stand up in cout.
 
You reckon this will actually work fnb? If it needs moisture to change cam you just leave out on d open for a bit and then snort it?
 
i can just be in a totally airtight bag i reckon. i dont imagine it would be to difficult considering the motivation of the money you could make.
 
Just hit the red button. Seems like contact with the air moisture would be enough according to vendor, will see though.
 
It is for real. I'm just wondering if they can guarantee that no moisture will be able to get into the packaging. If they cannot guarantee that then I doubt they'd go ahead with it.

The science is bullshit, if it is a ketal of mephedrone or the hydrate of mephedrone then there will be guaranteed to be enough mephedrone there to prosecute, neither the ketal not the hydrate is stable and we can easily detect 100 ng of mephedrone that is 0.0001 mg.

buy this and you are buying either some random RC shit, or mephedrone, if it is the former then you might not be breaking the law, buy the latter and you are going to be fucked over when the vendor is arrested and charged with possession intent supply class B and the customer records are seized.
If it is some random RC but you bought it as mephedrone you can still be fucked for attempted possesion.

leave well alone!!!
 
'Attempted possession' seems such a grey area I'm wondering how many people have been successfully prosecuted with this charge? I admit I'd never even heard of it before and googled it to check its veracity.
 
Surely you'd be more worried with being charged with intent to import a controlled substance than simple possession, if it's coming from outside the UK?

PS the diol (two OH groups) was just my random guess, I've no idea if this is what they're actually selling - if it is a ketal it will be some unspecified carbon groups.
 
Surely you'd be more worried with being charged with intent to import a controlled substance than simple possession, if it's coming from outside the UK?

PS the diol (two OH groups) was just my random guess, I've no idea if this is what they're actually selling - if it is a ketal it will be some unspecified carbon groups.

I thought the structure had come from the site. You drew a geminal diol which is not necessarily the same as a ketal. So in fact the compound could be something else entirely?
 
The science is bullshit, if it is a ketal of mephedrone or the hydrate of mephedrone then there will be guaranteed to be enough mephedrone there to prosecute, neither the ketal not the hydrate is stable and we can easily detect 100 ng of mephedrone that is 0.0001 mg.

buy this and you are buying either some random RC shit, or mephedrone, if it is the former then you might not be breaking the law, buy the latter and you are going to be fucked over when the vendor is arrested and charged with possession intent supply class B and the customer records are seized.
If it is some random RC but you bought it as mephedrone you can still be fucked for attempted possesion.

leave well alone!!!

This!

lose, lose situation
 
'Attempted possession' seems such a grey area I'm wondering how many people have been successfully prosecuted with this charge? I admit I'd never even heard of it before and googled it to check its veracity.

attempted possesion is what you used to get charged with when they find you with a load of pips when you think it is MDMA. and when you have a load of bash instead of heroin.
 
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