New bill up, banning "bath salts"-US

killermunchies said:
The one positive aspect of this bill being so wide sweeping is that it gives vendors an incentive to discover some new stuff. Hopefully it will get swallowed up by all the other, less wide reaching bath salt bills, but I'd bet a good amount of money it has some labs putting some more money into R&D to get ready for it incase it passes. Most of the chems on the bill were either uncommon or non-existant 5 years ago. It won't take long for new ones to take their place, and if some of these get to stick around, then that's even better.
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well mephedrone is an amazing drug and I Hope it continues to get manufactured / sold even if it is schedule I
 
Here's a link where you can track the progress of the bill. Posted it in another thread but forgot to put it here.

Even though I loved mephedrone and MDPV, methylone is the one I'll be saddest to see go, if only for it's therapeutic potential. Alexander Shulgin obviously saw its potential for medical use, as he patented it rather than any of the other 300+ PiHKAL/TiHKAL chems.

Time to stock up.
 
the title to this thread should be changed to New bill up, banning "synthetics"-US, instead of "bath salts" the thread was misleading at first
 
Lady Codone said:
Here's a link where you can track the progress of the bill. Posted it in another thread but forgot to put it here.

Even though I loved mephedrone and MDPV, methylone is the one I'll be saddest to see go, if only for it's therapeutic potential. Alexander Shulgin obviously saw its potential for medical use, as he patented it rather than any of the other 300+ PiHKAL/TiHKAL chems.

Time to stock up.
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MMAI sounds like it has huge potential, I didn't see that on the list thankfully. I gave up on m1, I prefer real mdma in spite of the legal risks...
 
It'd be funny if they get confused and actually ban abth salts rather than psychoactive chemicals..
 
edgarshade said:
Looks like MDAI is in there too. I wonder what research they did, if any, that concluded MDAI was a dangerous substance with no medical value.

It's the controversial substances that get in the media. The non-controversial substances get banned at the same time. Some one needs to shine a big, bright media spotlight on what their scientific/medical justification is for banning every one of those substances listed, especially the ones that haven't got into the media because they don't send people to ER.
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I'd still like to know how alcohol never comes up on these bills....

It meets all of the criteria to be at least a Schedule II chemical.

And wow, someone went to the ER after a bad experience with an unscheduled psychedelic? I'd like to see the percentages of people coming into the ER as a result or indirect result of research chemicals versus alcohol.
 
The most popular chemicals in the bath salts-and I don't know which are the most popular-will more than likely just become more street drugs within maybe 5-10 years.

I can hear it now-"Meph is the new Meth" all over the fucking local news.
 
girlygrrl said:
Frankly mephedrone is vastly superior to methamphetamine and I should hope people would use it instead.
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That would be horrible. Nothing is known about meph, the metabolites stay in your system for wayy too long. Meth is fiendy, but meph takes that fiend to a whole nother level. Don't get me wrong, meth is horrible too, but meph is a shitty stimulant.
 
tass4243 said:
That would be horrible. Nothing is known about meph, the metabolites stay in your system for wayy too long. Meth is fiendy, but meph takes that fiend to a whole nother level. Don't get me wrong, meth is horrible too, but meph is a shitty stimulant.
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Meph is awesome IME. I have used it for over a year and never had any issues with it.

I do know people who abuse meph and they have more side affects but they seem okay. I know people who abuse meth and I had to cut ties with them because they changed too much and were no longer trustworthy. Meth ruined their lives. If one were to compare addictions between the two drugs IV meph is safer to be addicted to from a physiological and psychological standpoint than one who is addicted to smoking meth crystals.

Maybe meph doesn't have that long of a usage history but IME from seeing the people around me, those who binge on meph end up okay in the long run and those who abuse meth seem to end up going down a dark path and possibly not recovering.

Meph might be fiendish for certain people but it doesn't seem to be physically addictive, even if someone binges on it then they can live without it a few days later. Meth on the other hand if someone binges on for a few days they end up only thinking about their next fix.

MDPV is a different animal, and many "bath salts" mix meph and pv so maybe your opinions on meph are tainted by people who are comboing with pv.
 
MDPV is not necessarily any more more-ish than meph, and may be less dangerous. Many claim the high is not as good, but that's a side issue when it comes to the risks. I tend to doubt it is as dangerous as meph, given its similarity to Ritalin and pyrovalerone. People just complain more loudly about it, given its tendency to induce anxiety attacks in some people.
 
Interesting. I don't think this many substances have been simultaneously scheduled ever. What strikes me as most curious about this is the lack of phenethylamines, tryptamines, subbed amphetamines, 4-MeO PCP, methoxetamine, etc. At first I thought this was maybe due to these substances not making near as much noise as the "ketones" and cannabinoids but now I'm wondering if it is something else entirely. It seems very plausible to me that all of these compounds are not being specifically listed because they are already viewed as straight up illegal due to being analogs of already scheduled substances. They are much closer ("substantially similar"?) to being "analogs" than most of the compounds in the bill are to methcathinone, which the DEA has argued in the case of mephedrone and MDPV. Hmmmmm....

Cheers
 
amanitadine said:
Interesting. I don't think this many substances have been simultaneously scheduled ever. What strikes me as most curious about this is the lack of phenethylamines, tryptamines, subbed amphetamines, 4-MeO PCP, methoxetamine, etc. At first I thought this was maybe due to these substances not making near as much noise as the "ketones" and cannabinoids but now I'm wondering if it is something else entirely. It seems very plausible to me that all of these compounds are not being specifically listed because they are already viewed as straight up illegal due to being analogs of already scheduled substances. They are much closer ("substantially similar"?) to being "analogs" than most of the compounds in the bill are to methcathinone, which the DEA has argued in the case of mephedrone and MDPV. Hmmmmm....

Cheers
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The thing is though unless they are specifically scheduled they are only illegal under the Analog act if sold for human consumption. Also the reason the synthetic stimulants and cannabinoids get so much press is because they are sold in brick and mortar stores. Once you can go the gas station and buy some PCP analogs or 2C-* they will be up for scheduling as well. Out of sight out of mind..

btw the analog act doesn't apply to methoxetamine at all because it is an analog of ketamine. the analog act only applies to chemicals related to schedule 1 or 2 drugs. ketamine is schedule 3 so no analog rules.
 
"not for human consumption" can go either way. Hard to prove, hard to disprove. I've heard of people getting 4-AcO DMT returned after being seized by the police (while tripping nonetheless) and I've heard of prosecutions and convictions for non-controlled substances still sealed in the bag from the vendor with the "not for human consumption" sticker still on it. It isn't as black and white as most people think. But I will agree that OTC gas station sales are the biggest motivator here.


villian said:
btw the analog act doesn't apply to methoxetamine at all because it is an analog of ketamine. the analog act only applies to chemicals related to schedule 1 or 2 drugs. ketamine is schedule 3 so no analog rules.
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And, I hear that stance oft repeated in regards to methoxetamine, which is rather myopic. Methoxetamine (3-MeO 2-Oxo PCE) is arguably closer in structure to PCE (schedule 1) than ketamine (schedule III). If the DEA considers MDPV to be an analog of methcathinone (they do) than MXE is certainly an analog of PCE.
 
amanitadine said:
"not for human consumption" can go either way. Hard to prove, hard to disprove. I've heard of people getting 4-AcO DMT returned after being seized by the police (while tripping nonetheless) and I've heard of prosecutions and convictions for non-controlled substances still sealed in the bag from the vendor with the "not for human consumption" sticker still on it.
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Can you link to a story of someone getting convicted for having a sealed bag of an RC with the NFHC label on them?

And, I hear that stance oft repeated in regards to methoxetamine, which is rather myopic. Methoxetamine (3-MeO 2-Oxo PCE) is arguably closer in structure to PCE (schedule 1) than ketamine (schedule III). If the DEA considers MDPV to be an analog of methcathinone (they do) than MXE is certainly an analog of PCE.
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You would have to see how the government chooses to argue the case, really it is all speculation until a prosecution happens. I agree dealing with RC's certainly isn't black and white and you should never assume dealing with them is completely legal. There is certainly some risk involved..
 
girlygrrl said:
Meph is awesome IME. I have used it for over a year and never had any issues with it.

I do know people who abuse meph and they have more side affects but they seem okay. I know people who abuse meth and I had to cut ties with them because they changed too much and were no longer trustworthy. Meth ruined their lives. If one were to compare addictions between the two drugs IV meph is safer to be addicted to from a physiological and psychological standpoint than one who is addicted to smoking meth crystals.

Maybe meph doesn't have that long of a usage history but IME from seeing the people around me, those who binge on meph end up okay in the long run and those who abuse meth seem to end up going down a dark path and possibly not recovering.

Meph might be fiendish for certain people but it doesn't seem to be physically addictive, even if someone binges on it then they can live without it a few days later. Meth on the other hand if someone binges on for a few days they end up only thinking about their next fix.

MDPV is a different animal, and many "bath salts" mix meph and pv so maybe your opinions on meph are tainted by people who are comboing with pv.
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How often do you use?

There is no way to say that meph is safer then meth. Meph has only recently hit the scene, with it actually only being available for a few years. That is an insignificant time frame in determining dangers associated with a drug.

No, I'm basing my position on my own experience with meph. I was just saying in the first place that is meph was to ever be the epidemic that meth currently is, would be bad. They are both highly addictive.

On topic now, its always sad when they ban new substances. Now, I've personally got over all these stimulant based RC's, they just cause me to fiend hardcore. Can't really seem to hold onto them long, so I'm not gonna waste my money anymore. The saddest part is this will lead to a crack down, banning quite a few substances. It's just terrible that some of us use responsibly, but it only takes 1 moron to end it for all.
 
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