New bill up, banning "bath salts"-US

There are lots of bills like this that don't get anywhere. Most bills that are introduced don't get anywhere. Still, I have this bill bookmarked to keep track of it. If this passes, looks like it's time to get a po box in Canada.
 
I'm fine with them regulating "bath salts" and "incense" to where that kind of unregulated packaging is illegal; I don't think people should be able to sell various unknown designer drugs in little packages with cutesy branded names that are clearly intended for consumption but without any kind of safety profile about usage.

OTOH the less substances on Schedule I the better, in fact I think that all scheduled drugs should be decriminalized.
 
I agree totally.
I can't say one way or another whether these drugs should be banned outright, idk enough about them. But I do feel that they should not be sold as they currently are. Its simply too dangerous for those who don't do their research (buy random branded powder pour some out and snort away). All drugs sold should be clearly labeled.
 
^ Exactly.

They need to be regulated. Otherwise it's only gonna be street dealers that take place of headshops..
 
mgrady3 said:
But I do feel that they should not be sold as they currently are. Its simply too dangerous for those who don't do their research (buy random branded powder pour some out and snort away). All drugs sold should be clearly labeled.
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My sentiments exactly! If they can't be sold for "human consumption" as "legal highs", fine! Then sell them for what they are, "chemicals" and label them "not for human consumption" as required. Calling them "bath salts" has just created a media sensation and enough justification to try and ban anything to do with them out of existence. It's a mess.
 
Alcohol and tobacco are sold in gas stations everywhere too, just not to children. There is no reason this shouldn't be the case for other substances...especially those proven safer and less addictive.

If you walked into a headshop and saw a baggie of white JWH powder at the checkout counter, would you buy it? Now imagine it is sitting next to a sack of medical-grade cannabis. Both bear warnings about their potential health risks the way tobacco and alcohol products do. Which would you choose?
 
killermunchies said:
There are lots of bills like this that don't get anywhere. Most bills that are introduced don't get anywhere. Still, I have this bill bookmarked to keep track of it. If this passes, looks like it's time to get a po box in Canada.
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While it is true many bills don't go anywhere, this isn't going to be one of them. This isn't some fringe idea, this concerns something getting a ton of media coverage and people demanding action. It already has 11 co-sponsors. If there is one thing with bi-partisan agreement it is the fact that drugs are bad. This is not going to go away.
 
villian said:
While it is true many bills don't go anywhere, this isn't going to be one of them. This isn't some fringe idea, this concerns something getting a ton of media coverage and people demanding action. It already has 11 co-sponsors. If there is one thing with bi-partisan agreement it is the fact that drugs are bad. This is not going to go away.
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During the salvia craze a few years ago, there were lots of bills that went no where. In most states, salvia remains legal. Currently, there are several bills floating around that address the bath salt issue. The one that only bans MDPV and Mephedrone seemed to get more attention. Something will be done about the bath salt thing, but every bill won't go through. I'm not saying it can't, but there have been many false alarms in the past that never led to anything.
 
^ True, it all depends on how quickly a mob mentality can be focused into legislation. All this craze surrounding 'bath salts' reminds me of McCarthyism when the masses thought Communists were going to destroy the integrity of the United States, eventually people came to their senses, but not before a lot of damage was done.
 
killermunchies said:
During the salvia craze a few years ago, there were lots of bills that went no where. In most states, salvia remains legal. Currently, there are several bills floating around that address the bath salt issue. The one that only bans MDPV and Mephedrone seemed to get more attention. Something will be done about the bath salt thing, but every bill won't go through. I'm not saying it can't, but there have been many false alarms in the past that never led to anything.
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I understand what you are saying, but this can hardly be compared to salvia. The thing about salvia is it never posed any real threat so it was easy to forget. Salvia is a plant that takes you to another universe for a couple minutes.. these are white powders that can get you geeked for days on end and people are commuting crimes under the influence of.

Even though the public forget about salvia, good luck getting them to forget about the baggies of white powder at the corner store. Two different beasts..

If you do a Google news search for bath salts the front page is all results from the last 48 hours.. salvia has never had any kind of equal media attention.

I guess nothing wrong with being an optimist though. ;)
 
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This isn't the DEA's doing. This is congressmen reacting to the media and their constituents. Use your heads.
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Some of these compounds have never even appeared in bath salts. It seems rather peculiar that they're so well informed about compounds which have only very minimally been assayed but have been said to be active...
 
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villian said:
I understand what you are saying, but this can hardly be compared to salvia. The thing about salvia is it never posed any real threat so it was easy to forget. Salvia is a plant that takes you to another universe for a couple minutes.. these are white powders that can get you geeked for days on end and people are commuting crimes under the influence of.

Even though the public forget about salvia, good luck getting them to forget about the baggies of white powder at the corner store. Two different beasts..

If you do a Google news search for bath salts the front page is all results from the last 48 hours.. salvia has never had any kind of equal media attention.

I guess nothing wrong with being an optimist though. ;)
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The thing is that most of the things banned in this bill aren't even in bath salts sold at head shops. Not that reality is ever much of a factor in drug legislation, but when was the last time you saw someone running around stealing shit on MDAI? However, like you, I have no hope that they will actually research any of this stuff.

The thing that I'm hopeful about is that this bill won't make it. There are other bills that ban all the chemicals in bath salts without banning everything under the sun. There is a good chance that one of the bills with more press coverage will go through rather than this one.
 
so assuming the government doesnt shut down, how long do you guys think this whole process will take, or how long before the laws are implemented? Days, weeks, months?

btw sad they took out so many cathinones and jwh's that havent had any attention in the press really, sadder still if they tack in some 2c-x as well, but given the recent status of the RC scene in america I suppose it isnt 100% bad. Definitely at least 90% though, plus this is just going to lead to even more unknown, probably more dangerous RC's. Education and access to safe, regulated supplies is still the best option
 
so assuming the government doesnt shut down, how long do you guys think this whole process will take, or how long before the laws are implemented? Days, weeks, months?
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It depends on how quickly the wave of fear from bath salts can spread. If the senate and congress agree to get rid of them then it can happen quite quickly.
 
Anyone remember the Salvia ban that never really came full circle? How long have we been hearing about DXM cough syrup? And all the other favorite stories the media loves to hype?

There are still tons of legal highs in the US. Surprisingly a lot of them have no trouble flying under the radar. I'm not saying this ban would be ok because it's fucking pointless and based on nothing more than media hype and naive drug users acting like dipshits. But basically just because some bill may be voted on doesn't mean it will pass. Good chances something more important will come up, or legislators will try to attach riders on the bill or 'pork'. Or maybe legislators need to wait for their kilos to get synthed before they finally vote.:!

As much as I enjoy MDPV and Mephedrone I've been eying other substances and there are good ones out there. And I think vendors are slowly realizing they can make more money by NOT marketing their shit as 'bath salts' or 'plant food' and selling it "for research only", properly labeled.

Think of phenazepam, I was POSITIVE it would be banned within a few weeks when I found it 2 years ago. But it was never marketed as 'relaxing plant food' and never (to my knowledge) sold at gas stations or headshops. And as a result it's still available. So pay attentions vendors, keep it low key and you can sell it for years.
 
The one positive aspect of this bill being so wide sweeping is that it gives vendors an incentive to discover some new stuff. Hopefully it will get swallowed up by all the other, less wide reaching bath salt bills, but I'd bet a good amount of money it has some labs putting some more money into R&D to get ready for it incase it passes. Most of the chems on the bill were either uncommon or non-existant 5 years ago. It won't take long for new ones to take their place, and if some of these get to stick around, then that's even better.
 
killermunchies said:
The one positive aspect of this bill being so wide sweeping is that it gives vendors an incentive to discover some new stuff.
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Eh? Vendors aren't the ones who discover research chemicals.

We are!

RC's aren't initially tested for human consumption, remember? We are the initial market, we are the demand creating the supply, we are the guinea pigs. We are the ones who discover them (and some of us invent them, too), despite the fact that we may not manufacture them.
 
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