Well last weekend was the ND's this weekend was the Spirits and i must say i think i like the spirits better. They give a nice punch when kicking in and it seems to be a more stable happy high. Although the neo doves were good i think the spirits will win my preferd out of all 3. To me the sub-coca's are speedy and iam after a MDMA legal replacement not a speed.
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Neo-Doves test results
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juice_soldier
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^I'm with you there.. ND gave me the MD replacement i was looking for... SC was like doing some amp sulfate that lasted for 25 minutes.. OH HOORAY...
rogan
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I agree, especially on another forum everyone loves the Doves with the SC's coming in second but very little said about the Spirits. I found the Spirits a very good balance of energy and euphoria with very little in the way of a comedown.
However overall despite the price I wouldn't choose any of them to replace MDMA or ice - they just don't have the duration. Although given there price they are least for me a good coke replacement.
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However overall despite the price I wouldn't choose any of them to replace MDMA or ice - they just don't have the duration. Although given there price they are least for me a good coke replacement.
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After reading all the glowing reports on here, and hearing how easily and cheap it is to obtain these products, it's hard not to get excited by such an offer. Initially I was very tempted to place an order myself. At the same time though, I was highly skeptical about the contents being kept a mystery.
I couldn't tell what angle the company was coming from. At first glance the website appears somewhat professional, and the company appears legitimate by offering a variety of benign products such as vitamins, diet pills, and anti-aging pills. The ND's and SC's are categorized as "Mood / Energy" pills, and though they describe the effects as euphoric or loved up, they are very careful to never mention that these products could be considered similar in effect to coke or mdma.
I decided to look a bit deeper, and brought up the page source. Immediately the large list of meta keywords caught my eye:
It also contained the URL to a competitors site, which I have removed.
These are keywords, read by search engines. For a supposed health site, these are the key words they believe best describe their webpage. In theory, when people type the same keyword into a search engine, it would show the neo-doves site as one of the "hits". However, these days search engines are more powerful and don't need to make use of this type of manually inputted list, which lead me to believe the person who made the site probably had little to no idea about html.
The above suggests to me that the whole site was made using a "cookie cutter" style webpage builder, which the homestead site seems to specialize in (and the site offering the ND's is hosted by homestead too). Whereas at first glance I thought the site appeared professionally made, in my eyes a site made using one of these "cookie cutter" programs is anything but professional. Literally anyone over the age of about 12 could have made the site.
As I saw pointed out on another forum, another dodgy part of the site is the dealer login. You'd think that this allows dealers to logon and view some "special" page, instead however there is absolutely no code that does any sort of username or pasword checking, and instead it just sends you to a page that says "error".
Then again, it's not like other "legal drug" sites are known for their advanced html. Most of the sites are very simplistic. The main difference to me is that the neo dove site seems to be operating under the guise of professionals who deem these products to be healthy. The reality is that they show no qualifications, and probably have very little idea about the side effects.
Above all, the fact that they don't even disclose what the contents is, is by far the most concerning issue. While they give the impression that they produce it in a clean well equipped lab, it could very well be made in clandestine conditions. Or maybe not even made at all, and is just a bunch of products available OTC (in Israel) and mixed together into caps.
Sorry for the lengthy geek post, but to me it appears a company with unknown intentions is essentially making guinea pigs out their consumers.
I couldn't tell what angle the company was coming from. At first glance the website appears somewhat professional, and the company appears legitimate by offering a variety of benign products such as vitamins, diet pills, and anti-aging pills. The ND's and SC's are categorized as "Mood / Energy" pills, and though they describe the effects as euphoric or loved up, they are very careful to never mention that these products could be considered similar in effect to coke or mdma.
I decided to look a bit deeper, and brought up the page source. Immediately the large list of meta keywords caught my eye:
It also contained the URL to a competitors site, which I have removed.
These are keywords, read by search engines. For a supposed health site, these are the key words they believe best describe their webpage. In theory, when people type the same keyword into a search engine, it would show the neo-doves site as one of the "hits". However, these days search engines are more powerful and don't need to make use of this type of manually inputted list, which lead me to believe the person who made the site probably had little to no idea about html.
The above suggests to me that the whole site was made using a "cookie cutter" style webpage builder, which the homestead site seems to specialize in (and the site offering the ND's is hosted by homestead too). Whereas at first glance I thought the site appeared professionally made, in my eyes a site made using one of these "cookie cutter" programs is anything but professional. Literally anyone over the age of about 12 could have made the site.
As I saw pointed out on another forum, another dodgy part of the site is the dealer login. You'd think that this allows dealers to logon and view some "special" page, instead however there is absolutely no code that does any sort of username or pasword checking, and instead it just sends you to a page that says "error".
Then again, it's not like other "legal drug" sites are known for their advanced html. Most of the sites are very simplistic. The main difference to me is that the neo dove site seems to be operating under the guise of professionals who deem these products to be healthy. The reality is that they show no qualifications, and probably have very little idea about the side effects.
Above all, the fact that they don't even disclose what the contents is, is by far the most concerning issue. While they give the impression that they produce it in a clean well equipped lab, it could very well be made in clandestine conditions. Or maybe not even made at all, and is just a bunch of products available OTC (in Israel) and mixed together into caps.
Sorry for the lengthy geek post, but to me it appears a company with unknown intentions is essentially making guinea pigs out their consumers.
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Frozone said:
Yeah pretty decent but I also had too much K. at one time i snorted about 2 points pure at once
One for me didn't do too much.. like a really weak md+speed bomb.. I think double dropping might be the go with these, if you wanna risk taking them.
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I agree that snorting these does not seem like a very good idea. I tried snorting the SC, haven't tried dropping for comparison, but the onset of effects was very slow which makes me wonder whether the actives are water soluble or not. The next day my sense of taste and smelled was dulled. There is a lot of powder, it stings like a fuck and smells like oven cleaner - if you're going to take them, just drop them I say... anything's better than snorting them. I think some people like snorting them just so it feels like a "naughty" illegal drug.
I will be trying these properly this weekend, probably an ND+SC combo. I haven't taken pills in ages so it will interesting to see how my experience compares to people on here that take MDMA or amphetamines regularly.
I will be trying these properly this weekend, probably an ND+SC combo. I haven't taken pills in ages so it will interesting to see how my experience compares to people on here that take MDMA or amphetamines regularly.
We had 2x NDs on the weekend.
Very light body and skin tingles, Moderate MDxx like contentment and alertness. I enjoyed the effects a lot, but would would definately consider it a mild ride.
Hit us in 20 min (after a heavy meal!) and climbed in effects till about T+40min.
Effects lasted about 2.5 ~ 3 hrs
We then tried the SCs 1 first then another an hour later.
VERY edgy with mild excitement for a little while. Content, but not a feeling that I'd really enjoy.
Very hard to sleep, even after 2 Valiums to calm down T+6hrs later.
Wont be getting the SCs again.
The site looks very amateurish I'd agree.
Very light body and skin tingles, Moderate MDxx like contentment and alertness. I enjoyed the effects a lot, but would would definately consider it a mild ride.
Hit us in 20 min (after a heavy meal!) and climbed in effects till about T+40min.
Effects lasted about 2.5 ~ 3 hrs
We then tried the SCs 1 first then another an hour later.
VERY edgy with mild excitement for a little while. Content, but not a feeling that I'd really enjoy.
Very hard to sleep, even after 2 Valiums to calm down T+6hrs later.
Wont be getting the SCs again.
The site looks very amateurish I'd agree.
belarki
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Ok my experiences with SC and ND so far, note I am physically very healthy, average height/weight etc, haven't been in the scene to take the *real* thing for a couple of years and am looking at legal alternatives. I am also on 150mg efexor (and in no way condone the use of these substances while on any meds!).
I emailed the company asking about possible reactions/side effects of mixing these with anti depressants and recieved the following (somewhat alarming) response:
"i really dont know
the active substances in our mood products are some kinds of amino acids.
i dont think there is a direct side effect but maybe it can aliminate the effect of anti depressants "
SC I have had on 3 occasions; twice snorting one and taking one orally, once taking two orally. All three times it felt like a strong hit of caffeine/guarana: increased heart rate, fluctuating body temperature, alertness etc, a bit speedy but nothing fantastic. They are pretty gross to snort, even cut with glucose. All three times I have had trouble sleeping 6-8 hours afterwards even though any positive effects wear off after an hour or so. All 3 times I've had a bad headache afterwards and worst of all, terrible diarrhea! Some people have mentioned stomach upsets but it felt like i had food poisoning about 40-60 minutes after dropping these! In my humble opinion, do not touch these with a 10 foot pole, the rest of mine are being flushed.
The NDs I have had once, my partner and I both dropping two each. The effects are exactly as described in this thread - weak MD-like effects leaving you wanting more. We both felt very empathetic and talked like crazy but never felt like we were "high" or "loved up" and didn't get the physical effects you would on MDMA. That said, these are nice for a change and and I'd recommend them over the SCs or piperzines.
I have yet to ty the spirits but am willing to give them a go. I would be much happier if the contents were made publicly avaiable though.
I emailed the company asking about possible reactions/side effects of mixing these with anti depressants and recieved the following (somewhat alarming) response:
"i really dont know
the active substances in our mood products are some kinds of amino acids.
i dont think there is a direct side effect but maybe it can aliminate the effect of anti depressants "
SC I have had on 3 occasions; twice snorting one and taking one orally, once taking two orally. All three times it felt like a strong hit of caffeine/guarana: increased heart rate, fluctuating body temperature, alertness etc, a bit speedy but nothing fantastic. They are pretty gross to snort, even cut with glucose. All three times I have had trouble sleeping 6-8 hours afterwards even though any positive effects wear off after an hour or so. All 3 times I've had a bad headache afterwards and worst of all, terrible diarrhea! Some people have mentioned stomach upsets but it felt like i had food poisoning about 40-60 minutes after dropping these! In my humble opinion, do not touch these with a 10 foot pole, the rest of mine are being flushed.
The NDs I have had once, my partner and I both dropping two each. The effects are exactly as described in this thread - weak MD-like effects leaving you wanting more. We both felt very empathetic and talked like crazy but never felt like we were "high" or "loved up" and didn't get the physical effects you would on MDMA. That said, these are nice for a change and and I'd recommend them over the SCs or piperzines.
I have yet to ty the spirits but am willing to give them a go. I would be much happier if the contents were made publicly avaiable though.
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peaked said:
I have to argee with peaked. They look bit shady IMO despite some users's reports. Like phase dancer mentioned few pages back on this thread about a case of DOI mix up instead of 2CI, I was the victim of this pretty messed up event I have ever expereinced. That night scared me off touching illict substances ever since then.
This feels like a repeat of when these American RC suppliers popped up everywhere on the internet before the DEA knocked them down.
Someone is going to get pretty badly injured or die one day from this so called neo-doves supplier, as I have looked at the site out of curiousity. They just using their customers as their guinea pigs.
Becareful kids.....8)
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I don't think hinting these are safe is very rwesponsible,just because you think they are weak doesn't make them safe.We still don't know for sure what they contain.
Yeah,I know I'm irresponsible.
Yeah,I know I'm irresponsible.
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An update:
I have had a form of comedown on these IMO.
Very tired and lethargic since Sunday, strange headspace - particularly in the mornings. Almost constant background 'edgy' apathy noticable, like an extended mild scattered day after MDxx without the contentment.
Very prominent on Mon morning. Servicable today though.
Other 2 people who had them have had no real issues, so it might be a one off in my case.
Anyone else had anything similar?
oh and PS: the night of our tryout on the ND and SCs, maintaining an erection was very difficult for me. Much more difficult than with any other drug I have tried. MDxx and Amphets can make me have to use mind over matter during the peak but it has always been easily do-able. While experencing the ND / SC = no chance. I'm sure I'll have another chance in the future and see then.
I have had a form of comedown on these IMO.
Very tired and lethargic since Sunday, strange headspace - particularly in the mornings. Almost constant background 'edgy' apathy noticable, like an extended mild scattered day after MDxx without the contentment.
Very prominent on Mon morning. Servicable today though.
Other 2 people who had them have had no real issues, so it might be a one off in my case.
Anyone else had anything similar?
oh and PS: the night of our tryout on the ND and SCs, maintaining an erection was very difficult for me. Much more difficult than with any other drug I have tried. MDxx and Amphets can make me have to use mind over matter during the peak but it has always been easily do-able. While experencing the ND / SC = no chance. I'm sure I'll have another chance in the future and see then.
Rosencavelier
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If it seems too good to be true, it probably is 
Either that or the bastards will schedule them (or work out what's in them and realise they already are scheduled) and E's and Meth will be the easier/only option again. Yay for Harm Reduction! (Assuming the unknown chems in these caps/pills are safer than the unknowns in the aforementioned "street drugs"
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And is it just me, or do other people notice that many of the people reporting on these legal(?) alternatives (not just this board, but others) seem to go overboard with them? I would really like to know what sort of warnings/dose recommendations are printed on the labels of the containers, because people naturally assume that legal = safe, but legal pharmaceuticals also usually have a single dose recommendation and a maximum in a 24 hour period rec. (And some people are taking up to two pills at a time, several times a day, for 3-4+ days in a row).
Rosencavelier![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Either that or the bastards will schedule them (or work out what's in them and realise they already are scheduled) and E's and Meth will be the easier/only option again. Yay for Harm Reduction! (Assuming the unknown chems in these caps/pills are safer than the unknowns in the aforementioned "street drugs"
)And is it just me, or do other people notice that many of the people reporting on these legal(?) alternatives (not just this board, but others) seem to go overboard with them? I would really like to know what sort of warnings/dose recommendations are printed on the labels of the containers, because people naturally assume that legal = safe, but legal pharmaceuticals also usually have a single dose recommendation and a maximum in a 24 hour period rec. (And some people are taking up to two pills at a time, several times a day, for 3-4+ days in a row).
Rosencavelier
^ Yep, some of the people on other boards have been going really hard with these, its scary. There are no warning on the containers for this range of products, though the website does state that they don't recommend taking more than 2-3 in a night. From what I've read re-dosing on these is pointless, and taking any more than 2 or 3 results in a decent old comedown. I'm just waiting for exams to be over to give these a proper try myself.. my expectations get lower every time I read this thread lol.
I was thinking about the company making these last night, and realised they could make a shitload of money by initially releasing the product with a very high dose and then slowly decreasing the dose over the course of months until the capsules contain very low levels of actives. By the time people decide the pills are crap they will have sold a lot of capsules due to the initial hype surrounding them. Get in, make some money, and then get the hell out. I'm also wondering whether these pills contain other OTC medicines, as the powder from a Sub Coca I split open had tiny red dots in it, like the outer shell of a pill that had been crushed up...?
I was thinking about the company making these last night, and realised they could make a shitload of money by initially releasing the product with a very high dose and then slowly decreasing the dose over the course of months until the capsules contain very low levels of actives. By the time people decide the pills are crap they will have sold a lot of capsules due to the initial hype surrounding them. Get in, make some money, and then get the hell out. I'm also wondering whether these pills contain other OTC medicines, as the powder from a Sub Coca I split open had tiny red dots in it, like the outer shell of a pill that had been crushed up...?
starboy
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Hi
I have GCMS data but to be honest it is beyond me, does somebody who is really knowledgable about this stuff drop me a line
Ta
Matt
I have GCMS data but to be honest it is beyond me, does somebody who is really knowledgable about this stuff drop me a line
Ta
Matt
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Doooofus said:
Red Spots?? i never noticed anything like that in the powder of the SCs i saw...
Can't see how they would profit from making the pills shitter - thats beyond me.. like there would be no point, because before their run was up they'd be out of business... might as well make them good til they are illegal.
^ But what if they are illegal already? Covered by analogue acts etc. Then they would want to get in and get out quickly. These red spots are tiny... and it wasn't like there were heaps of them, in the two lines I snorted I noticed maybe 5-10 spots. Take a closer look at the powder from your capsules if you have any more.
I'm looking forward to those GCMS results, I hope they give us a better indication of what's in these things.
I'm looking forward to those GCMS results, I hope they give us a better indication of what's in these things.
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Yeah, you and me both.
Personally i wasn't a fan of SC, but in the time of trying these 'substances' out - we did a fair few of them in a session.
The first time i did about 6-7NDs and found everyone after the second just as rewarding as the last - bar the getting scattered bit, the next day i attempted suicide (after using a few other substances including 2c-b,g and then 100mg of diazepam to finish the job). Don't know if thats any indication or not, or if it was related as i was already pretty down at the time.
But SC was pretty much like "Shit Cocaine"... as the acronym suggests
Personally i wasn't a fan of SC, but in the time of trying these 'substances' out - we did a fair few of them in a session.
The first time i did about 6-7NDs and found everyone after the second just as rewarding as the last - bar the getting scattered bit, the next day i attempted suicide (after using a few other substances including 2c-b,g and then 100mg of diazepam to finish the job). Don't know if thats any indication or not, or if it was related as i was already pretty down at the time.
But SC was pretty much like "Shit Cocaine"... as the acronym suggests