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Need advice tapering from kratom after opiate WD

Hang in there, slowly taper. You don't have to rush it. If you need to, take 3 grams one day and drop it a gram every 2 days. Slow and steady wins the race.
 
Good plan, but I'm impatient as usual, this time to get clean. My new modus operandi is as follows: stick to the taper as my max ceiling obviously, but take as little as possible anyways. Though now I'll try taking it Att night (vs when i wake up and in the afternoon to be productive), that way i kill two birds with one stone: 1 i can sleep a free hours hopefully and 2 i don't have to feel myself getting altered by a chemical when i want to be sober since I'll be sleeping.

And I'm so busy during the day time that Wd is easier to deal with. Alone at night with no one to talk to is harder than i thought. I posted a huge joke thread though which took my mind off things for a good 2hrs. It's funny, at 23 i couldn't tell a single joke. Now i know hundreds. It's a skill like any other, i pretended at first i was learning for a test. This one's lame: a neutron walks into a bar and asks "how much for a beer?" bartender smiles and says : "for you, no charge"

And i read one earlier while looking for new ones, it's so dumb it hurts: so these two aggressive tide pools are cussing at each other. "Wimp!" "your a wimp!" "no way, I'm stronger than you!" "oh yeah then show me your mussels!"
 
Lmao there you go sunspot!!! Way to stay positive. You release those natural endorphins when you make yourself laugh :))
 
:), the one about the tide pools is going in my repertoire btw, it's just too weird! W0womg have you ever been in a joke battle btw? Did one at a conference in monterrey a few years ago with this professor three times my age. He had all these hedge hog jokes and one liners. Nearly lost then got to a draw when my science jokes came back to me (it was a cerebral audience). Still like to think i won. One of the best nights of my life, my sides hurt for a week! Ppl mentioned it years later, we were a hit ;)

Scary stories are something i like too, but i know only three. There's the plane crashing in the woods of Canada, pizza delivery and the weirdos of the forest. But they're way too long for here. Oh and the one about the pair lost on the ocean. Brrr.. I h8 that story. It needs a man and woman to tell properly, my wife and i did it last year camping.
 
Still a green lighter but working on it:) I'd love to pm. btw how do you keep warm in a cold room? Go in the corner it's always 90 degrees! Stupid science jokes ..
 
Hey SunSpot, I hope you are doing well today. I can relate as I have been addicted to opiates for 13 years and currently tapering off suboxone. I have CT off methadone a few years ago so I understand how tough that can be as well, and I have never told my wife or family about it either which makes things harder at times. I am currently at 0.25 mg suboxone which is very low and only helps for a few hours of the day. I am certainly not an expert but have been through withdrawal many times so I hope you don't mind if I share what has helped me. I have probably tried nearly all of the natural herbs there is on the market and some of them do help. Valerian root helps some but better if taken with Skullcap or hops, or both. Many times combinations are better with these than individual herbs. Motherwort can help with sleep and can be taken just to help relax or relieve anxiety symptoms. Magnolia bark helps for sleep as well. Tryptophan (the stuff in turkey) is great for sleep and I combine it with 5htp and always get a full nights sleep with these. Of course I take Melatonin 5mg nightly for sleep and alternate with the other herbs. Also check out DLPA (an amino acid) to take during the day for energy. It's not like caffeine or anything but helps during paws and withdrawal. Take first thing upon waking up (empty stomach) and wait an hour or so before you eat. Anyway, these help for me but everyone is different, just thaught I would share. Another thing I have found is try not to worry about not getting sleep. Easier said than done sometimes but I have found the nights I worry about it, constantly looking at the clock and rationalizing how much time is left and weather or not I can get through the day on that amount of sleep... You know the drill, I usually end up falling asleep right after I give up and tell myself "well, I guess I won't be getting any sleep tonight". So I try not to fret about it and watch tv or whatever takes my mind off trying to go to sleep and that helps sometimes. Anyway, hope you stay strong and continue heading in the right direction my friend.
 
Opi, that's some great advice. I already take valerian as it also helps with my blood pressure. Btw there's a cool trick i found for valerian: regular pill stuff works for exactly five hours for me, then its gone and i wake up. But you can buy whole valerian root online, and when it's only partially ground the bigger particle sizes act like an 8 hour 'extended release'. To my shame ive been just taking the pills the last week even though the roots have arrived. Your post has inspired me to fix this after this post!

Hops is also a great idea i hadn't considered. I think theres still some chinook in my garage from when i used to byob. I don't have anxiety, though if it helps with sleep that's good.

I'm trying to accept i won't sleep well for a year at least, and it's hard. And i just have to believe the head aches will go away sooner, though those might be bp related (just measured 110 to 170:( )

I'll definitely look into skull cap and the amino, though I'm also a bit wary of taking too many things during sobriety. As it stands after my detox I'm still taking caffeine (maybe 120mg / day, just cant quit that sencha tea..), nicotine (ill stop vaping in three weeks, no stress there), then the valerian and antihistamine to sleep (500mg and 1.5 tablets, respectivly). Plus my shame dose of 5g kratom today to lessen the pain after i just couldnt stand it anymore.

Thanks for taking the time to share your story btw, i truly wish you all the best. Somehow it really inspired me just now. Maybe with coarser valerian and hops illhave a solid nights sleep to tackle the remaining kratom wd.
 
Well i just had six hours of the lightest sleep ever, but at least six hours! Will try again to stop the kratom.

Weird dreams though .. In one i persuaded my former employees to help me raid santa clauses summer residence. Long story short we got into his magical summer house, then everyone told me to stop but i ran at him and pushed him over a cliff ( the house was on a steep incline leading to that cliff). We both fell, he cursed me but somehow i teleported out of the endless fall back to his house. The dream ended as everyone was closing in on me with murderous intent .. I've never had a dream before where I'm some movie villain bad guy. It was extremely real and detailed. There was another dream after just like it but even more distributing. Anyone else dream funny after quitting?
 
Yup, it is very common. It seems like when we are using the drugs kind of dull out dream life, so once we stop using and get begin to experience a sober lifestyle and state of mind our ability to remember out dreams returns to one degree or another.

Unforetunetly, because of the sleeping meds I am currently taking while I finish detoxing from methadone (trazadone and clonidine) I am not able to normally remember my dreams. But once I no longer need to takecthem to get enough sleep and discontinue using them, I know I will begin to remember my dreams. I am willing to bet that I will have quite the vivid dreams too, as I will probably take melatonin to help with my tendency towards insomia, and melatonin seems to help create a more vivid dreamscape.

Anyone have anh recomendations of stuff to make our dreamscape more vivid, rich with detail and make it really come alive?
 
Tpd, Lucid dreaming is great, i learned it in college (real easy). Still got them sometimes even when i was using. My method is to lay perfectly still in a real soft bed after doing the awakening exercises. Just don't freak when you can't find the exit, you always wake up, but in the beginning it was scary. Sometimes i could open my eyes, even whisper in terror, but not move my body. One time lasted over an hour, then my phone buzzed. That got me out! Btw some of the dream memories seem more real than real life, which was very very embarrasing for me once when i confused a dream 2 years ago with rl ..

Anyways, my taper is progressing a pace, i caved and took 4g. Only had 5 yday. Still that's progress, my first day 8 krat dose mustve been over 20g 2x leaf. Though now my wd is sadly becoming more mental, had a real professional success yesterday and it barely registered. Brain feels fogged.so no trip for me either. But taking wife to classical concert tomorrow, they are playing really dark stuff (brahms). But also some wagner, my fav in other times. Should cheer me up and it'll be something different than techno. Nothing like a good depression ..
 
Sigh. 3hrs light sleep tonight, this sucks. My kratom taper went like this (though I'm too fogged from sleep deprivation to really be sure): monday 8g Tuesday none then 8g, 6g, 5g and 4g. Things are staying the same but my tiredness is growing .. This feels awful. At least i discovered pandora thumbprint where they play all your favorites. Oh and no caffeine yesterday, i swear that's harder than the opiates! And vaping makes me nauseous now so i kinda stopped that too. Misery ..
 
You're doing great! Nothing wrong with tackling everything at one time - if you're going to be miserable why not get it over with all at once lol.
 
You're doing great! I will be tapering off Kratom here soon too. It changed my life for the better but I want to be completely clean! We got this!!
 
You are doing great even though it may not seem like it sometimes, especially with lack of sleep, Keep it up though.

I have read that caffeine can make withdrawals worse (but I have always used it in the past) so I stopped drinking coffee a few months ago to prepare. It is tough at times for sure but the dlpa definetly helps with energy. I actually read a book a couple months back on addiction (written by a doctor) and he mentioned specific amino acids and herbs to take (specific to opioid addiction) so that is where dlpa came about. I wouldn't say it's a miracle supplement or anything but I do know it helps me. Currently I only need the lowest dose (500 mg) but once I jump off subs I read you can take as much as 2000 mg 3 times a day so I have plenty of room to move up if needed. Supposedly it helps your brain heal back to normal function as opposed to doing more harm like some meds might do. There are others I am taking as well but notice the most from this one.

If you aren't taking melatonin for sleep you might want to give that a shot as well. I take it daily and it helps greatly. Doesn't knock you out or anything but will help and I never wake up drowsy from it either like sleep meds. I can't take sleep meds or I have really weird dreams and wake up tired still so don't like them at all. I try to alternate whatever herbs I'm taking so they stay useful. Everyone is different though so if you find something that works stick with it.

Anyway, I hope you keep doing well with the taper and stay strong.
 
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I feel like caffiene has been helping me kick methadone, though I wasn't much of a regular coffee drinker before tapering, or at least hadn't been for many years. But I make sure to use it in moderation both so it won't come back to bite me in the ass and so that I won't have any more issues with sleep than I already do.
 
thanks everyone for the support, this means A LOT to me. Today was a really full day, after the concert we climbed a mountain, 2700ft alt change. Love hikes like this. Took a wee bit more krat though, still just 7g extract. So tomorrow I'll be trying for another totally sober day, if it works it works, if not, not. Hope you guys are doing good! But now, for some sleep and maybe lucid dreaming..
 
SunSpot said:
thanks everyone for the support, this means A LOT to me. Today was a really full day, after the concert we climbed a mountain, 2700ft alt change. Love hikes like this. Took a wee bit more krat though, still just 7g extract. So tomorrow I'll be trying for another totally sober day, if it works it works, if not, not. Hope you guys are doing good! But now, for some sleep and maybe lucid dreaming..
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oh nice! I love going into the mountains. %)
 
SunSpot said:
thanks everyone for the support, this means A LOT to me. Today was a really full day, after the concert we climbed a mountain, 2700ft alt change. Love hikes like this. Took a wee bit more krat though, still just 7g extract. So tomorrow I'll be trying for another totally sober day, if it works it works, if not, not. Hope you guys are doing good! But now, for some sleep and maybe lucid dreaming..
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Have you tried switching to plain leaf?
It's much easier to taper off with, and would help rather then extracts.
 
Hiking is great as well as trail riding on dirt bikes :-) . Really any kind of excersize is supposed to speed up recovery. Have a good day.
 
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