My theory about hppd

[RainbowWarrior]

^^ Without bothering about HPPD - no HPPD.
Without bothering about about your mind - no mental disorder(in most cases).

However if I were you, I would definitely worry about myself.

I surely worry about myself... everybody does, don't they?

though i'm in the process of learning to worry at least as much about my surroundings than myself - see a big problem in this world is that everybody always worry only about themselfes...

but i don't worry much because of voices etc, they are part of my mind and as such i'm gonna embrace them... and as long as i'm still sane enough to know i'm insane i'm quite sane :D

and also i think being normal sucks... better off being a delusional lunatic, at least then i'm believing in something that makes me feel good, not money... thanks

 

[IamMe90]

^^ No use arguing with them on that. They already labeled it "supernatural shit".
Goes to prove to you that no matter how much drugs one uses, especially psyches, there are those who can't let go of that ego they so dearly cherish.....and most of all can't let go of all inhibitions and open their mind to the thought that there MAY be a higher source of some sort. What a concept to burn down especially in PD!!

If anything I don't totally grasp the whole hppd concept. I consider it another label (diagnosis?) that the medical community has placed on psyche users who have difficulty integrating their experiences and who truly think they fucked themselves up after their drug use!

I never said "supernatural" shit, I said that I don't believe in the existence of chakras or astral projection. In a pretty calm manner.

If you're so certain in the existence of these things, perhaps you could somehow demonstrate their existence through reliable evidence? If you tell me that this isn't possible, then you can't really blame me or anyone else for not putting too much stock into these concepts.

I'm only subjecting the objects of your beliefs to the same standards that science subjects its own tenets to. It's not as if science only uses rigorous standards of proof on religious concepts and permits anything in its own realm... and if things like "chakras" and "astral projection" really exist as a real phenomenon, they should be qualifiable and demonstrable through those same standards that apply to the rigorous analysis of the physical world that constitute science.

 

[allium]

I surely worry about myself...

Well, probably it is better to not just worry, but also do something

see a big problem in this world is that everybody always worry only about themselfes

Ah, yes, I understand you very well. Sometimes people worry too much about themselves.

as long as i'm still sane enough to know i'm insane i'm quite sane

lol :-D
But don't you think that things might get worse? What if you wake up one day, and it will be difficult to do your everyday activities? Especially that ones that require intillegence?

and also i think being normal sucks...

Depending on what you call "normal". Being ordinary - sucks, being "mentally healthy" - not(in my opinion, of course).
Being in normal state is ok, being in altered state is ok too. But it is really great if you have control on when and how long you're in each state.

Your mind is your mind, and of course the choice is yours. But why don't you get rid of hallucinations?(this is not a rhetorical question to me, it is always great for me to know other people motivation).

 

[sandman_i_am]

I used to think of hppd as it is termed, a disorder, but recently I've changed my mind. I think hppd is the natural result of opening the third eye in particular, but more generally an increases awareness of our position in the dimension-complex that we live in, if that makes any sense. I think this because I've heard people describe the experience of opening your third eye with all these effects which basically described my hppd. A while ago I opened mine and it made me hallucinate for a good ten minutes with a body sensation similar to shrooms.

Hppd is also often accompanied by anxiety. This would make sense if the individual's ego clashed with the newfound awareness, as is often the trend with myself, I notice when my awareness expands.

Also, the color purple tends to be a very common color according to the people I've talked to with it, as it is with myself. Purple is the color associated with the third eye. When I do meditations with it, purple tends to appear vividly. Other effects described of both opening your third eye and hppd:
sudden flashes of what looks like a black or dark background with scattered 'stars'
Sudden flashes of purple or blue
im stoned and can't remember the others but you get my point.

I'm not saying 'go get as strong a case of hppd as you can, it will enlighten you.' Just being aware means nothing if it doesn't change how you live. Thoughts?

Interesting 'theory', but it's based on new-age bumbledygook instead of solid evidence, medicine or science. You may as well be saying that little fairies that live in buttercups out in the woods cause it. I think it's sounds outlandish and quite ridiculous. I'll side with the scientific and medical professionals on this one, thanks.

I have permanent trails from my days as a psychonaut, but they don't really interfere with my day-to-day living, so it isn't as though I am speaking without having any experience on this at all. Also, HPPD is something that needs to be properly diagnosed by someone who knows what he's doing, otherwise it's just speculation that you happen to have it.

 

[allium]

No use arguing with them on that. They already labeled it "supernatural shit".

May I ask you few questions?
What can you do with your "chakras" and astral? What can you do with them? Especially, what can you do useful to other people?
Do you really think that you have better understanding of reality? If yes, then why? If you can't prove existence of such things - then it is all in your head.

Goes to prove to you that no matter how much drugs one uses, especially psyches, there are those who can't let go of that ego they so dearly cherish.....

All people intepret their experiences in different ways. Why is your way better than mine?
To me, your position is looks like "I am enlightened, you're not, I am standing above". Can you still think critical?

I consider it another label (diagnosis?) that the medical community has placed on psyche users who have difficulty integrating their experiences and who truly think they fucked themselves up after their drug use!

This sounds like: depression is just a label that medical community placed on people who are in bad mood. You probably don't know what is real HPPD. Slight wall morhping, flashes of color, blue dots, increased static and so on(to the extent you described in your first post) are NOT real HPPD.

 

[skinwalker]

Sorry for the outburst, I know it wasn't you who said that IamMe90.....to the one who did though; I forgive you!!
I can't give you rock hard evidence without there being some sort of criticism of the source.
I do know that is one of the main if not the main question(s) we as the human race have been wanting to know the answer to...I am in no way a messiah!
One word -- "Inneffable"
Back to the OP's question.... If hppd is real why do many of us have memories of having visual distortions as kids prior to our drug use? Could they just be optical illusions accompanied with some underlying anxiety disorder?
I still don't buy the whole hppd thing!

 

[RainbowWarrior]

Well, probably it is better to not just worry, but also do something


Ah, yes, I understand you very well. Sometimes people worry too much about themselves.


lol :-D
But don't you think that things might get worse? What if you wake up one day, and it will be difficult to do your everyday activities? Especially that ones that require intillegence?


Depending on what you call "normal". Being ordinary - sucks, being "mentally healthy" - not(in my opinion, of course).
Being in normal state is ok, being in altered state is ok too. But it is really great if you have control on when and how long you're in each state.

Your mind is your mind, and of course the choice is yours. But why don't you get rid of hallucinations?(this is not a rhetorical question to me, it is always great for me to know other people motivation).

I feel mentally healthier every day... and i have to say i feel subjectively a lot more sane than most people i encounter in my everyday life

My everyday activities are certainly influenced by my changes in perception... f.e. i got rid of the television and now spend my spare time painting fractals in my newly rented atelier...

as for activities that require inteligence, well i'm doing quite ok academically, in fact i manage to repeatedly astonish myself by how little work i have to put into my university career turns out for a linguist it's quite usefull to transcend language every once in a while, especially when the baseline setting is hold in a language different to the mother tongue...

now to the halucinations... is synaesthesia a halucination?

you think there are no energies? strange, what about the aurora borealis? isn't that an energy?

and control? well there is no 100% control, if you haven't learned that already you will in due time... but my altered state alows me be more in the moment, resulting in overall more control, awareness is a good thing, and being aware of the different ways that information can be perceived / processed is a good thing

IMHO the more information gets blocked out and supressed in the subconscious, the less mentally healthy a person is, hearing voices f.e. is only being aware of processes that in many individuals take place subconsciously...


are you familiar with the concept of hypagnogia?

i'm pretty sure i won't wake up one day unable to live my life because of my psychedelic drug adventures... been doing it regurarly for nearly 8 years now and am quite happy with the development

if all that doesn't make any sense to you, don't mind...it's late where i'm at, i'm insane, insanely high on some charas and english is not my mother tongue...

happy ilusion to you

 

[allium]

^ Glad to hear tnat you're alright and doing well
I din't really tried to convince you that you're insane - it is quite silly without knowing all the situation. I always assume the worst case, but it seems to me that you are pretty much alright
Sometimes people have some disease, and they don't want to help themselves(this applies not only to mental health, but to general health too). I spent so much time trying to convince my friend to go to a doctor(she was later diagnosed with depression).

you think there are no energies? strange, what about the aurora borealis? isn't that an energy?

I quoted "energy" because I was speaking about "supernatural energy". Aurora is a physical phenomenon which has an explaination.

and control? well there is no 100% control, if you haven't learned that already you will in due time...

Well, if I want to be altered - I take some substance and I know that its effects won't last forever or indefinite amount of time. And If didn't took anything, then I am in some variant of normal state. This is what I meant by control.

are you familiar with the concept of hypagnogia?

Well, not really. It seems that term "Hypnagogia" includes a lot of different things.
Personally, I have just read wikipedia article, and it seems that I experience "Tetris effect", "Sounds", "Sights" from time to time. Also, sometimes I feel like I am falling down - this cause me to wake up from the intermediate state between sleeping and wakefulness.

is synaesthesia a halucination?

I guess not. But I only experienced it during psychedelic trips... Wonderful thing.

if all that doesn't make any sense to you, don't mind...it's late where i'm at, i'm insane, insanely high on some charas and english is not my mother tongue...

Your english is pretty good. At least to me - I am not a native speaker too

Well, it looks like that "Philosophy and spirituality" is a better place for this thread.

 

[ganja god]

dude if you think an illness recieved from doing drugs is some kind of opening of a minds eye then that is wack....

the point of my post was that its not an illness. Virtually nothing is known about hppd, so its open to speculation like mine.

 

[ganja god]

Interesting 'theory', but it's based on new-age bumbledygook instead of solid evidence, medicine or science. You may as well be saying that little fairies that live in buttercups out in the woods cause it. I think it's sounds outlandish and quite ridiculous. I'll side with the scientific and medical professionals on this one, thanks.

I have permanent trails from my days as a psychonaut, but they don't really interfere with my day-to-day living, so it isn't as though I am speaking without having any experience on this at all. Also, HPPD is something that needs to be properly diagnosed by someone who knows what he's doing, otherwise it's just speculation that you happen to have it.

^thats just fucking stupid, honestly the little fairies in the woods have a waaaaaaaaaaay different agenda. No, my speculation has nothing whatsoever to do with new age bumblywhateverthefuck. It is based off of my experience and my knowledge of mainly eastern philosophy. The new age movement is nothing more than fried out hippies, jaded by the fact that people put their clothes back on and came down after the 60's.

 

[ganja god]

If you don't believe in energies look up 'kundalini syndrome'

 

[IamMe90]

^thats just fucking stupid, honestly the little fairies in the woods have a waaaaaaaaaaay different agenda. No, my speculation has nothing whatsoever to do with new age bumblywhateverthefuck. It is based off of my experience and my knowledge of mainly eastern philosophy. The new age movement is nothing more than fried out hippies, jaded by the fact that people put their clothes back on and came down after the 60's.

nope, you're still not making any sense

 

[ganja god]

^of course it wouldn't if you have none.

 

[Hallucinogens]

Why would overdosing on diphenhydramine, which is a shitty experience for most people and not really beneficial, seem to so often cause HPPD? Just wondering your thoughts on this.

Anyway, I got floaters in my eyes very young and they caused me lots of anxiety. Then I read a book called Mouches Volantes (spelling?) about how floaters provide a path towards 'enlightenment' and mean that the person is headed in the right direction.

I personally believe that there are nearly infinite paths to the same enlightened end, and that we can use whatever we want (HPPD, floaters, drugs, school, sex, television) as a means to that end, so long as we actually WORK towards that end. So if you can use HPPD to raise your abilities of concentration and awareness, you should.

Just my opinion.

Diphenhydramine is very likely the number one cause for HPPD, actually. I've taken upwards of 60 pills which resulted in a four hours schizophrenic experience and HPPD symptoms for weeks.

 

[nopipesdfw]

If anything I don't totally grasp the whole hppd concept. I consider it another label (diagnosis?) that the medical community has placed on psyche users who have difficulty integrating their experiences and who truly think they fucked themselves up after their drug use!

I have lingering visuals of many sorts and it doesn't bother me, so I don't have HPPD. But I do think that anxiety would go terribly with lingering visuals for some people as I guarantee that they are a real occurrence.

 

[Tunnelfission]

HPPD is a term used by psychologists or other professionals to put a name to a subjective process that one cannot gauge or measure through any means besides asking the people who are effected by ongoing drug phenomenon after the comedown.

It's a term attempting to describe an entirely subjective thing which is likely INCREDIBLY different from person to person. I don't see any blue dots... But I get visuals all up and down my day to day life. Also could be attributed to a failing right eye, or maybe drugs messed up my eye!

 

[ganja god]

Another reason I believe what I do is because my hppd became allot stronger at a time when I had stopped taking drugs and had been meditating every day and doing allot of yoga. If hppd is only the direct result of drugs, that wouldn't make any sense. However, if what we call hppd is the result of an increased awareness it would make perfect sense.

And I don't want to hear any narrow minded and ignorant dribble about meditation or yoga from anyone who hasn't at least dedicated a week to give either a chance. Seriously, the more you materialists speak, the more willfully ignorant you sound to anyone with a half open mind.

 

[allium]

^ lol, my HPPD becames stronger when I want to sleep. When I go to bed, I can close my eyes and see complex geometricals visuals sometimes.

So what?

Also yoga is quite materialistic thing, unless you "open chakras".
Can you tell something more than "Oh you are materialists, you don't have open mind".

 

[ganja god]

yoga is far from materialistic. These terms are misleading though. There is no definitive material world separated from a spiritual world. There is only one, interconnected whole, one ultimate dimension. We only use terms like 'other dimension' because our human minds obviously cannot easily see beyond what we're ready to see.

Materialists argue their facts as if they were barren and dead. As if reality was a sequence of facts that were really only formulas and equations, as if the world was comprised entirely of some sort of binary reduction 'divined' by some scientist in a lab. Whats funny to me is that the more materialists argue against the possibility of anything beyond themselves and their own righteous god of 'fact', the more they reaffirm what they argue against. When a baby is born does it cry out to its mother "who the fuck are you to hold me?! Why would you bother letting me drink your milk, I don't even think your real, GIVE ME PROOF!!!!"? No it doesn't. You live, you love and yet you don't think thats god enough? You really think the extent of all understanding and possibility, and the potential for love and compassion is comprehended and fulfilled by humans? That is simply ridiculous. I pity the ignorance of such a jaded viewpoint. Open your eyes. God is within and without you, permeating everything. That is why its funny to me when you (god), or anyone else questions their own foundation.

 

[netcrusher]

This might not be the right place to post this, but when I take lsd at a festival ( have twice now ) I never have felt so alone in my life.... and at the same time in such danger because of it. " The death of God" because I am "all that there is" comes into play. I've been trapped in time loops and when I look into other peoples eyes all I see is myself. That is my worst nightmare.... Things that I do not want to think about or have never thought about COME to ME as if I was a transcendent God. When I was listening to people it was as if they were mocking me in an intellectual/sarcastic edgy way, but it was like talking to myself THROUGH the people or fragments of ONE. I am in a state of panic as I sometimes think I am GOD and everyone else is in my head alone. Not a healthy thought at all. It was a very I-Thou experience and it sure as hell was not a random explosion of colours that ppl report. Why do I get these deep seated " all that there is" notions of oneness?