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My theory about hppd

ganja god

ganja god

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I used to think of hppd as it is termed, a disorder, but recently I've changed my mind. I think hppd is the natural result of opening the third eye in particular, but more generally an increases awareness of our position in the dimension-complex that we live in, if that makes any sense. I think this because I've heard people describe the experience of opening your third eye with all these effects which basically described my hppd. A while ago I opened mine and it made me hallucinate for a good ten minutes with a body sensation similar to shrooms.

Hppd is also often accompanied by anxiety. This would make sense if the individual's ego clashed with the newfound awareness, as is often the trend with myself, I notice when my awareness expands.

Also, the color purple tends to be a very common color according to the people I've talked to with it, as it is with myself. Purple is the color associated with the third eye. When I do meditations with it, purple tends to appear vividly. Other effects described of both opening your third eye and hppd:
sudden flashes of what looks like a black or dark background with scattered 'stars'
Sudden flashes of purple or blue
im stoned and can't remember the others but you get my point.

I'm not saying 'go get as strong a case of hppd as you can, it will enlighten you.' Just being aware means nothing if it doesn't change how you live. Thoughts?
 
Why would overdosing on diphenhydramine, which is a shitty experience for most people and not really beneficial, seem to so often cause HPPD? Just wondering your thoughts on this.

Anyway, I got floaters in my eyes very young and they caused me lots of anxiety. Then I read a book called Mouches Volantes (spelling?) about how floaters provide a path towards 'enlightenment' and mean that the person is headed in the right direction.

I personally believe that there are nearly infinite paths to the same enlightened end, and that we can use whatever we want (HPPD, floaters, drugs, school, sex, television) as a means to that end, so long as we actually WORK towards that end. So if you can use HPPD to raise your abilities of concentration and awareness, you should. :)

Just my opinion.
 
lol speculating about HPPD is one thing but floaters are a pretty well known and documented phenomenon.

"Floaters are deposits of various size, shape, consistency, refractive index, and motility within the eye's vitreous humour, which is normally transparent."

anyway, my guess is that HPPD is the result of certain stigmatic associations and is probably psychosomatic - though persisting and very present. i don't think colorful swirls in one's field of vision is the result of any sort of heightened "awareness" - because i'm pretty aware that these colorful swirls aren't real.
 
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dph doesn t cause long-term hppd afaik.
still i think, that spititual theories are no base for a discussion of hppd occurings.
 
IamMe90 said:
"Floaters are deposits of various size, shape, consistency, refractive index, and motility within the eye's vitreous humour, which is normally transparent."
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In the Hindi tradition floaters are seen as the fastest route to enlightenment.
 
ganja god said:
I used to think of hppd as it is termed, a disorder, but recently I've changed my mind. I think hppd is the natural result of opening the third eye in particular, but more generally an increases awareness of our position in the dimension-complex that we live in, if that makes any sense. I think this because I've heard people describe the experience of opening your third eye with all these effects which basically described my hppd. A while ago I opened mine and it made me hallucinate for a good ten minutes with a body sensation similar to shrooms.

Hppd is also often accompanied by anxiety. This would make sense if the individual's ego clashed with the newfound awareness, as is often the trend with myself, I notice when my awareness expands.

Also, the color purple tends to be a very common color according to the people I've talked to with it, as it is with myself. Purple is the color associated with the third eye. When I do meditations with it, purple tends to appear vividly. Other effects described of both opening your third eye and hppd:
sudden flashes of what looks like a black or dark background with scattered 'stars'
Sudden flashes of purple or blue
im stoned and can't remember the others but you get my point.

I'm not saying 'go get as strong a case of hppd as you can, it will enlighten you.' Just being aware means nothing if it doesn't change how you live. Thoughts?
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You're right on. Purple definitely comes through strong when you learn meditation. The extreme ends of the vibratory spectrum become perceptible. You can start to detect the "word" of reality with all of your senses and more.

Opening your chakras can be achieved in many ways. Using psychedelics, with an intent to raise your vibrations, is a good way for sure. Once you open your awareness to the holy light, you'll always want to return there. Astral projection is a result of the same thing; in the state of heightened awareness, it becomes markedly easier to release your astral 'light body' from it's compartmentalization in the spacial and temporal location of the physical body, and explore beyond those perceived boundaries.

Just to clarify: it is the opening and balancing into harmony of all your chakras (not just your 'third-eye'), from beneath root through to above crown. You should aim to become one chakra. <3
 
^ Seconded!

Being a materialist, I reject existence of astral, chakras, "energy" and so on. Though I agree that these words can be used as metaphor.

There was an article about geometricity of visuals... Here it is. So, in my understanding, HPPD has nothing to do with this supernatural shit. Rather, it seems that our brain filter out less information before we're able to consciously process it.

And, it is a bit off-topic, but I found that I see much more purple and violet colors when I experience negative emotions, and light-green when I am in positive state of mind.
 
To create your vision the brain must do complicated calculations. I think the patterns are a result of the brain calculating things wrong and you see them as fractals, which can be made through computer algorithms, in you field of vision but I guess these are normally filtered out or just ignored.

The disorder comes when a person can no long ignore or filter them out and they cause distress. The distress probably tires the brain and causes more symptoms and you get stuck in a cycle.
 
dude if you think an illness recieved from doing drugs is some kind of opening of a minds eye then that is wack....
 
You aren't fucking opening your "third eye" when you trip. And this is poor justification for continuing psychedelic use despite semi-permanent consequence.

Psychedelics, if anything, surely enhance the power of suggestion 8)
 
Well the two phenomenon are directly related HPPD or a permanently changed perception and that of "waking up" spiritually to the realm of visions and internal experience. I'm a bit more scientific than spiritual lately but even the metaphor for psychedelics to "remove the filters from ones perception" which can be explained scientifically is also a perfect metaphor to explain what happens phenomenologically.

this seems like a science/neurochemistry debate vs a spiritual one. We could say what one subjectively experiences permanently changing perceptions from hallucinagen use which is a spiritual argument then we could say that it ALSO does change what is happened and has happened in the chemistry of the mind which is a scientific debate.

I feel it must be both ways like everything is. something changes chemically in oneself and therefore they can perceive the world in more powerful ways
 
i use entheogens not halucinogens... without halucinogens no hppd :)

do i see floaters? have all my life, visual static? yep, after weekly highdose trips on lsd, 2c-e etc, it's more pronounced than it ever was, occasional melting of walls? sure, sometimes more anxiety? also, seeing energies and spirits/entities? might happen, occasional out of body experience? yeah, and seldom been enjoying myself more ;)

do i think any of this is a disorder? hell no... it has always been there, psychedelics rise awareness and intensify perception but they never produced anything in me that wasn't there beforehand!

they make my highs higher and my lows lower, i like having a bigger amplitude, makes me feel more alive :)

embrace it!
 
Tunnelfission said:
Well the two phenomenon are directly related HPPD or a permanently changed perception and that of "waking up" spiritually to the realm of visions and internal experience. I'm a bit more scientific than spiritual lately but even the metaphor for psychedelics to "remove the filters from ones perception" which can be explained scientifically is also a perfect metaphor to explain what happens phenomenologically.

this seems like a science/neurochemistry debate vs a spiritual one. We could say what one subjectively experiences permanently changing perceptions from hallucinagen use which is a spiritual argument then we could say that it ALSO does change what is happened and has happened in the chemistry of the mind which is a scientific debate.

I feel it must be both ways like everything is. something changes chemically in oneself and therefore they can perceive the world in more powerful ways
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I'd reformulate that coupling from "scientific/spiritual" to "physical/metaphysical"

i agree with you that (at least some) hallucinogens "remove the filters of the mind" but this isn't a spiritual assertion so much as it is a metaphysical assertion. the mind uses certain filters such as causality, space, and time (at least, in my metaphysical view of the universe) to integrate its perception. when those filters are removed what we have is a less cohesive picture, bits of disparate sensory input that isn't organized too coherently. this would cohere well with the fact that most hallucinogens don't produce hallucinations as much as colorful distortions of a surfaces.

as for hpdd, i suppose there could be some sort of residual inability of the mind to integrate its perception, or a weakening of its integrative filters... but i still think it's more likely that it's a psychological process, or at least a mix of psychological and physiological factors.
 
^^ Without bothering about HPPD - no HPPD. :)
Without bothering about about your mind - no mental disorder(in most cases).

However if I were you, I would definitely worry about myself.
 
^^ No use arguing with them on that. They already labeled it "supernatural shit".
Goes to prove to you that no matter how much drugs one uses, especially psyches, there are those who can't let go of that ego they so dearly cherish.....and most of all can't let go of all inhibitions and open their mind to the thought that there MAY be a higher source of some sort. What a concept to burn down especially in PD!!

If anything I don't totally grasp the whole hppd concept. I consider it another label (diagnosis?) that the medical community has placed on psyche users who have difficulty integrating their experiences and who truly think they fucked themselves up after their drug use!
 
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