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My nanna can't tell an amphetamine from a methamphetamine!

Sure you can smoke amphetamine.

The following is speculation:
The form its in probably makes a difference though, ie if its a hydrocloride or a sulfphate salt.

Any amphetamine I have got has been a clear white. The residue you are refering to maybe a very small impurity. You could try a quick wash to see if you can remove the impurities and try smoking again....
 
Perfect Example

Perfect Example of Amphetamine available on the street is known as:

- PINK CHAMPAGNE (typo's oops)

This is usually crushed & sometimes purified dexamphetamine!

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Rest of the gear including the famous oldschool Peanut Butter (brown wax rock lookin stuff) is Methamphetamine.

The differences are simply the procedures used in making the product!
 
The pink is usually from left over phosphorous which is used in meth manufacture, not amphetamine manufacture. In actual fact though it's more often probably food dye put in there by an idiot.
 
This may be of some interest to people viewing this thread.

The colour of your Methamphetamine will be determined by the synthesis method that has taken place, as shown below.

Taken from Erowid

RED: The product was made from pseudoephedrine, and the red coloring of the tablet was not adequately washed away (it is difficult)

ORANGE: Ephedrine sulfate was used, and some of the sulfate was reduced to sulfur.

PURPLE: Iodine from a phosphorus-iodine reaction was not washed out.

GREEN: Copper (or other metallic) salts somehow made their way in to the mixture, probably due to the reaction vessel used in the manufacture.

BROWN: Oxidized red coloring (see above), or tablating agent was present in the reduction.
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Bloody BIRCH Reductions!

Yeah sure.. but first, SteveElektro:

Phosphorus, Phosphorus Acid, Hypophosphorus, Red Phosphorus.. All the same chemical.

Phosphorus, What kind of phosphorus?

Phosphorus Acid = Hypophosphorus
= Liquid

Red Phosphorus = Metal
= Looks like Red Powder
= Solid

Going by the above and a DECENT synthesis of d-methylamphetamine, There should be NO TRACE whatsoever of any form of phosphorus in the final product.

Yes, Red Phosphorus/Hypophosphorus IS used in the manufacturing of "Methamphetamines" :: HOWEVER, Red Phosphorus used (along with Iodine or Hydriodic Acid) in the reduction of (PSEUDO)Ephedrine is filtered out once the Meth reaction/reduction has been complete.

The only sign of red will be due to an acidic product which will in time react with the humidity and liquify. Acidic products depending on how far off the pH actually is, can depend and range from a colour of WHITE (Usually means it has been purified or a correct pH) to a DARK BROWN/RED which is due to over Acidifying the product which is due to goofiness and/or someone who cant afford pH testers or pure alcohol.

BEIGE GEAR = ACIDIC/DIRTY. <-- FULL F@Ck*N STOP :: Pay Attention!

Keep that in mind kiddie ravahs'.

So in short, Pink Champagne = Amphetamine...

PINK Champagne? Stooged! People crush a red/pink MXXA/Speed Pill and selling it as Pink Champagne, well.. If you buy it! You deserve to be ripped.

Pink Champagne is simply a street name given to a legal form of Amphetamine known as Dexamphetamine.

If its Pink and truely "Dexamphetamine" it is due to the kiddie version which are pressed into colourful farm animals.

People extract DexAmphetamine simply by disolvign in water and filtering, evaporating the liquid which has fallen through the filter.

Then yes, gear can be "PINK" or ANY colour for that matter.

Anyways.. to ld50 vs ssri *********************

Yeah, I wouldnt really pay attention to erowid.. Erowid, Lyceum? Full of misinformation.

The only site which I can admit was half decent was Rhodiums' .. Knowing his interests which have allowed him to collect some decent posts from *INSERT PRIVATE FORUM NAME HERE* forum, He grabs the best verified, the most recent exploits of our drug world and has contact with well known drug manufacturers, it is definately worth waiting for... The site should be back up within 2 weeks (Site down due to relocation of the service). There are other things which you may come across online which keep a small community of enthusists who are out to hack the gnomes gnome!

Anyway, about the list of impurities which cause a meth to be a certain colour, That is very misinforming, considering 2/3 Reactions require the precursors to be of high purities. The only one which can use DIRTY precursors (chems which will be reacted/used), is known as the BIRCH reduction method, this being somewhat like the Meth Hitler was being injected with back in WWII as well as his soldiers.

This is the only one I possibly can reference anything to with that list, the Brown! Using the birch reduction (nazi method), You dont need to clean your chemicals/precursors to the extent which is needed by Push-Pull / Nano-Scale (Reflux's).

Ahh blah, too wired up to type any more..

Do some research, you will find Im not far off :: Just remember If Speed/Meth is not white, then it is NOT a pure product.

A pure product does not modify the strength of the product! The cook time, purity of precursors, how clean your equipment is and correct molecule ratios is what creates a decent product.

I know I'm right.

- SWIM
 
Yeah sure.. but first, SteveElektro:

Phosphorus, Phosphorus Acid, Hypophosphorus, Red Phosphorus.. All the same chemical.
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- If only you put as much effort into research as you did in your post. The above mentioned chemicals are completelly different and have completelly different properties. They are similar in that they contain elemental Phosphorus in their structure and react with Iodine to produce Hydroidic Acid needed to manufacture meth. Their formulas are: Phosphorus: P, Phosphorus acid: H3PO3, Hypophosphorus acid: H3PO2, Red Phosphorus:
P4 (same as white phosphorus but changes to red when heated)

Phosphorus, What kind of phosphorus?

Phosphorus Acid = Hypophosphorus
= Liquid
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No. Phosphorus acid is a yellowy solid, Hypophosphorus acid is a liquid.

Red Phosphorus = Metal
= Looks like Red Powder
= Solid
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This is just funny. Red Phosphorus is NOT a metal.

Going by the above and a DECENT synthesis of d-methylamphetamine, There should be NO TRACE whatsoever of any form of phosphorus in the final product.
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Going by the above the cook would probably be dead along with anyone who has consumed the product .

The only sign of red will be due to an acidic product which will in time react with the humidity and liquify. Acidic products depending on how far off the pH actually is, can depend and range from a colour of WHITE (Usually means it has been purified or a correct pH) to a DARK BROWN/RED which is due to over Acidifying the product which is due to goofiness and/or someone who cant afford pH testers or pure alcohol.
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Red is almost always due to food colouring. Brown, yellow etc, can be due to traces of iodine but usually a legacy of a dirty precursor. A dry solid product cannot contain any acid in it other then tiny amounts trapped in the crystal latice.

BEIGE GEAR = ACIDIC/DIRTY. <-- FULL F@Ck*N STOP :: Pay Attention!
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Dirty yes, but no reason to assume it has traces of any acids in it just by colour.

So in short, Pink Champagne = Amphetamine...
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Amphetamine is VERY rarelly available other than in dexies and most "Pink Champagne" is food colouring. And friend has bought it many times and been told just that.

Yeah, I wouldnt really pay attention to erowid.. Erowid, Lyceum? Full of misinformation.
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This has to be the quote of the year! Bahahahah

A pure product does not modify the strength of the product!
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The purity is directly related to strength.

I know I'm right.
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Of course.

- SWIM
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Someone Who Is (insert something appropriatelly funny here)
 
Thanks Runner2, I had a feeling that the information provided in the post above yours was significantly wrong. Unfortunatly I didn't feel qualified to comment in any constructive while still providing some information backing my skepticism.


On another note Im about to start a thread relating to crystal meth/amphetamine and an interesting piece of information I have became privy to. (coments on its validity are welcome....)
 
Ok just looking for some personal clarification here. I've read the whole thread but this info. didn't really jump out at me:

Ok so what is the difference between pure/base (the white gluggy stuff) and crystal meth. I understand they are both methamphetamine but what is done to it to result in the two different physical forms?

Ie. Why is one a solid and the other partial liquid?

Cheers...
 
Ok so what is the difference between pure/base (the white gluggy stuff) and crystal meth. I understand they are both methamphetamine but what is done to it to result in the two different physical forms?
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purity and/ or crystallisation method
 
what about speed?

there seems to be a pretty negative opinion in general here about meth, how addictive it can be and what not.

i have smoked ice and love the stuff, but due to price i only ever indulge a couple of times a year.

but yeah i don't hear much about speed being all that bad, but its just cut meth isn't it? what makes that ok and ice not ok?

i love speed, drug of choice by far, but how addictive is speed in comparison to ice? like how much speed a week would you be doing to be able to say 'shit i have a problem'.? would someone doing a gram a day be considered fucked or that's not too bad?
 
Re: what about speed?

somegirl said:
there seems to be a pretty negative opinion in general here about meth, how addictive it can be and what not.

i have smoked ice and love the stuff, but due to price i only ever indulge a couple of times a year.

but yeah i don't hear much about speed being all that bad, but its just cut meth isn't it? what makes that ok and ice not ok?

i love speed, drug of choice by far, but how addictive is speed in comparison to ice? like how much speed a week would you be doing to be able to say 'shit i have a problem'.? would someone doing a gram a day be considered fucked or that's not too bad?
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READ POSTS... There are many MANY MANY MANY posts on this subject... look in the search....

No speed is not cut Meth, I can not count how many times I've read that question... NO IT'S NOT....

Still very addictive although not as... it is however still very addictive!!!

SpecTBK=D
 
would someone doing a gram a day be considered fucked or that's not too bad?
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I would consider locking that person in a room for a suitable amount of time.....
a gram a day is alot of ampethamine... I've seen people do less (addicts) I think this person may have an addiction problem? like is this every week everyday no mater wot...

Where on earth does the money come from... thats 7 grams a week...

Are you sure they're doing a gram a day... or a point a day???

like 1 gram is alot an alot of lines :(

SpecTBK=D
 
Re: what about speed?

somegirl said:
how much speed a week would you be doing to be able to say 'shit i have a problem'.? would someone doing a gram a day be considered fucked or that's not too bad?
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how long is a piece of string? ..... :\
 
If your doing it for more than just kicks, if you need it to get out of bed, then you should really take a look at what is going on.
 
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