MSB Banned

[alasdairm]

This just sounds like someone didn't like him.

i invite you to reread the thread. that's simply not the case and the systems we have in place are designed to ensure that a staff member with a grudge can't cause somebody to be banned simply due to personal dislike.

there's never been anything to be gained from airing dirty laundry like this in public and we don't plan to start now.

to anybody who feels there's been some appalling travesty here, i invite you to consider that there are two sides to every coin.

regards

alasdair

 

[twentysix]

True. Sorry... and thanks.

 

[Tommyboy]

It is not easy to get banned here for that long. None of the mods really want to hand out infractions, and all infractions are reviewed by senior staff to determine if they should stand. The person that gets infracted also has the option to appeal said infractions whether it be by PMing a staff member, or sending an email to the admin account if the infraction has them temp banned.

No one staff member can get mad at someone and infract away until they get a long ban. We have some checks and balances in place that prevents such a thing from occurring, so a lot more goes into someone getting a 2 year ban than some of you may think.

 

[helium-4]

Infractions aren't even handed out lightly. If someone manages to rack up multiple infractions it is likely they have even received many warnings (no infractions) as well, making the amount of disruption far greater than say 10 times resulting in an actual infraction. Also, just because members can no see where the infractions are used due to unapproved/deleting/editing/etc. posts from the member doesn't mean they didn't exist. Generally the posts you see from the user are not the ones that resulted in such infractions that get someone banned.

I know as being once a mod, I'd give individuals countless warnings before an infraction was even considered. Even then I never saw but a few infractions take place under my watch. If someone can get 10 infractions within a year, they clearly are doing something wrong, whether or not you like the user. It really isn't hard to obey the rules, reread your posts to avoid any offensive, trollish, bigoted BS that get people infractions. There are also different guidlines for different forums. People cant go around to the subforums out side of the lounge, posting as if they are in the lounge. If you'd like to find another web forum that allows for such BS, than Bluelight isn't for you. Bluelight isn't the wild west, we are a web forum based on harm reduction, friendly exchange of ideas, that is a comfortable environment for a number of different types of individuals.

 

[maxalfie]

If MSB had received 10 infractions as stated then how many Mods etc were involved in handing out those infractions?
Did 5 or so of the 10 come from one Mod and the other 5 from 5 different Mods?
How many members of Bluelight staff were involved in handing out those 10 infractions?
I'm not trying to cause trouble but am genuinely interested to know.
I personally am glad that Bluelight does have Mods as forums without them are just like the wild west full of crap and that is why Bluelight is the only forum I have ever joined and I truly enjoy being a member of it and I have also learnt a lot from my time on here.
I just want to make that clear so you don't think I am some sort of trouble maker.
I just don't see what a 2 year ban can achieve that a 6 month or even 12 month ban can't.

 

[alasdairm]

If MSB had received 10 infractions as stated then how many Mods etc were involved in handing out those infractions?

he received 9 infractions and 1 warning from 5 different staff members at forum staff, senior moderator and administrator level. again, the suggestion that he was some innocent victim of a personal grudge just does not stand up. he was a habitual troublemaker who created trouble for staff from the bottom to the top of the bl staff hierarchy.

I just want to make that clear so you don't think I am some sort of trouble maker.

that is perfectly clear to me. nobody ever got in trouble at bluelight for simply asking a question civilly.

I just don't see what a 2 year ban can achieve that a 6 month or even 12 month ban can't.

you could argue that a week-long ban and a month-long ban might reasonably have the same effect. the broad idea behind the current discipline system is a public, transparent process which adds incrementally longer temporary bans for incremental points. in a big way, it places a trouble-maker's destiny firmly in their own hands. so, if you already have, say, 4 points, and you decide to create an alt., post hateful images to disrupt and send insulting messages to the staff, you know that, when you are infracted, you'll be taking a two-week break. you also know that if you decide to come back from that temp. ban and immediately start disrupting again, you'll be taking a month-long break.

for about the 8th time of saying it, nobody who nets a 2-year ban can cry about it - they had chance after chance after chance after chance to alter their behaviour and they chose not to.

thanks for the post and regards

alasdair

 

[Arnold]

I see his account has been deleted and not banned that means he can come back with a new account since it won't bear the name msb?

 

[Tommyboy]

I see his account has been deleted and not banned that means he can come back with a new account since it won't bear the name msb?

No he can't return with a new account. If that were the case then anybody that didn't want to serve out their ban would just purposely make posts breaking the rules in order to get more points and a permanent ban on that username so they could just make a new one.

The issue will be revisited in 2 years.

 

[alasdairm]

I see his account has been deleted and not banned that means he can come back with a new account since it won't bear the name msb?

his account has not been deleted, however, after creating yet another alt. account to post hateful messages and further disrupt the forum, his 2 year temporary ban has been converted to a permanent ban. as tommyboy correctly indicates, he can't return with a new account otherwise there would be little or no negative consequence to being banned.

as it happens, we do not have formal policy in this area but it happens so infrequently, i don't think we need it. we'll be happy to revisit the issue in 2 years.

regards

alasdair