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most mind altering drug

I'm pretty sure Aftermath isn't a troll. I've read intelligent posts by him before. Just look at how long he has been at Bluelight. Do you really think a troll would stay that long?
I don't think that mix would be possible by the way. No way could you function to get that salvia and dmt down.
And what does everybody mean by mind-altering? Do you mean changing how you think after the experience and gaining new insights? That's what I would call mind-altering. Not which is the biggest mindfuck - which is probably what everyone is talking about here.
Oh and by the way....
Originally posted by Sebastians_ghost:
I would definitely have to say DMT and Ketamine are the true titans of the psychedelic/dissociative world. (Smoked or IV DMT and IM Ketamine).
BTW, I AM planning to do BOTH simultaneously sometime in the next few months. I will probably save the trip for when Morninggloryseeds gets out here to visit. The idea is to inject the K, then quickly grab the DMT pipe and start puffing away. (YIKES... I get goose bumps just thinking about it!!!!).
Just one of the many things to come in the Psychedelics forum - I wil keep you all posted!

Please tell me you have done this - I used to do K all the time, but quit. Now I have a small amount of both it and DMT is in formation mode. I did want to try this, but was wary as I have done both on their own.
[ 12 February 2002: Message edited by: nick44 ]
 
I've never done most of the stuff mentioned but I will say that I've smoked Salvia 4 times and it severely fucked me up.
The first 3 times I obviously did it wrong or didn't do enough because I was just feeling a little bit fucked and trippy. I couldn't work out what everybody was raving on about. The last time I did it I was suddenly somewhere I can not fully explain in words. I was suddenly the chair that I'd previously been sat on but the room I was in I'd never seen before. I couldn't even work out why this was happening because I couldn't remember doing the Salvia until I came back round. All manner of stuff happened around me for several hours (I was only out for 10 - 15 minutes in reality).
Seriously wierd experience and if you can possibly have your mind altered any more than the Salvia did for me that day I'm not sure it's somewhere I really want to explore.
Craig
 
notice all the greenlighters are quick to throw DXM on the list.
ive done 1000mg of dxm on several occasions. One hit of LSD is still better ;)
Im currently working on salvia. Ive bonged it 3x now and i have only gottin very slight and short dissociative effects, thats about it.
 
Never done N,N-DMT, or broken the threshold with 5-MeO. My vote has to go with salvia. More dissociative than K, more ALIEN than anything else I've ever done. 100 mg of 10X will propel me to multidimensional hyperspace that is so out of this reality I can not begin to comprehend it in the short space of time that I am there. Its not really mindfuck because of drug effects like with acid, but more the traveller's dilemma of being in a really foreign place. IM K (in sufficiently high dosage) is next on my list though.
---Rudi
 
I'd say the most mind altering thing I've tried would have to be 2c-B, tried it the other day and it blows anything else out of the water for me. Then again I haven't tried too much...
Anyway that's my piece.
 
As far as an individual substace goes, I would have to say DMT takes the cake. Not only does it completely transform subjective reality, I can readily recall all DMT experiences I've had. Salvia is a brain fuck too, but I get amnesia alot from it (especially the extracts).
Most fucked up combo would have to be,(T) 4 tabs of blotter, (T+:45) 2 opiated hash bowls to take the (eventual) edge off, (T+1:15) 100 mg IM ketamine injection, and once you've clawed your way out of a K-Hole (T+2:15?) inhale 1 balloon of N20. Every object I looked at was a 2-D cardboard cutout of itself, and there were more rainbows and colors than a gay pride parade.
 
I tried K this past weekend and the atmosphere was really chill and i didn't have any exremely abnormal "visions". I was just wondering if being at a rave would intensify the high?? and i was also wondering whats salvia and DMT??
 
I tried K this past weekend and the atmosphere was really chill and i didn't have any exremely abnormal "visions". I was just wondering if being at a rave would intensify the high?? and i was also wondering whats salvia and DMT?? Theres absolutely no acid in ohio so what other drug causes mad visuals??
 
I think a complete disconection from reality would be possible if a person took 99% of their LD50 (point of overdose) of almost any substance. I am still not clear if an od on lsd is possible, but if someone took a half gram, don't you think they would not remember their humanity at some point during the trip?
 
The most mind altering drug ive ever had was some really good Acid I had a couple of years ago. In terms of the best drug overall who knows. Alcohol makes me go to sleep and act stupid, Pot confuses me, absouloutely no pleasant effects at all. X and speed, with the amount of crap flying around not even worth contemplating. Fairly weak substances overall. US might be different but OZ we get crap, or maybe Im just immune to the stuff. Coke is way overated and the effects are short lived, not to mention overpriced. The best for me is... Mr Harry Brown Stone (smoked of course)....
 
I'm not an experienced drug user (only E and pot), but from what I have read, I would say Datura. All I see are people trying to convince others not to take this drug.
 
hmmm
ethier when i got to the 3rd plateua on dxm
or when i did alot of k and smoked marijuana, that was kinda trippy but it FUCKED my thinking.
i actualy believed that if i touched people kill them by beating them to death, and that i was incredibly strong like a pcp addict.
the second time i did that i tensed up like crazy and was talking gibberish to by ex-girlfriend about painting my nails invisible green.
what i havnt done but im sure would fuck you up is taking a bunch of drammamine(sp) and smoking datura and dmt
 
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