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The travesty is not that we must pay for health.

It is that we are paying to be killed off slowly, full of expensive poisons & drugs.
 
you didn't really respond to that at all:

is, or is not, there a titanic industry of health/wellness related products that are sold for stratospheric prices.

I personally think you need to stop taking everything your iris reader says as gospel.
 
You are right yes.

When I stumble across new information, if it's good advice from a reputable source and it makes sense then I will try it.

Afterwards my physical experience tells me if it's working or not. I listen to my body and it is my best guide.

I've bought a few BS products, but I've bought plenty more that have raised my health to a new level.

If your mind is healthy intellectually, you may be super smart and have read thousands of scientific studies. But then you've got your simultaneous physical & emotional experience. IMHO all these things must be in balance for you experience "true" health, not just an abstract idea that you've conceptually remembered.

*microwaves a frozen dinner*
 
The problem is that you can convince people anything given a little bogus hype and a nifty webpage these days.

Shit my aunt is completely anti-medicine for some reason based on such hype and its completely ludicrous. Some medicines have been proven to work and not taking them when you need them is not only idiotic but dangerous as well.

Personally I'm going to keep microwaving my food because it takes like 5% of the time and effort and probably doesn't do anything negative considering I haven't seen 1 scientific study to suggest as much.
 
atlas said:
A) microwaves have been used to cook food in the West for 50 years
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... and look at what happened to you folks. ;)

As for myself, I only eat microwaved food on airplanes, and it is not something I enjoy.

There is a qualitative difference to food quality when microwaved. It is hot from the inside and soggy. It bears no lovely crust or anything. My favorite is when the food looks so still under some kind of semi-gelatinous coating of sauce, like it hadn't been stirred at all but is still smoking hot. Freaky!!

As for the possible health effects, I wouldn't be so surprised. Though I make no effort to know, since I don't use them.
 
Dtergent said:
There is a qualitative difference to food quality when microwaved. It is hot from the inside and soggy. It bears no lovely crust or anything.

As for the possible health effects, I wouldn't be so surprised. Though I make no
effort to know, since I don't use them.
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More than 99% of the acrylamide was found in the crust.
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Acrylaminde and baking.

So you mean if by microwaving my food I can completlely avoid the known cancer causing agent acrylamide?

Wow. I should open up a microwave food health store.
 
I wonder how many people avoid diet sodas and microwaves but don't hesitate to hop in their car and drive to work... one of the most dangerous thing you can do...
 
Microwave popcorn is dangerous. To those who make it.

It came out not too long ago that the biacetyl, (2, 3 butanedione, I guess) that they were putting in it as a flavoring was causing irreversible lung damage to the people who worked around it. It's chemical natually found in butter, but inhaling it apparently does great damage to the lungs, this one poor guy needs a double lung transplant or he's gonna die.
 
lifeisforliving said:
Acrylaminde and baking.

So you mean if by microwaving my food I can completlely avoid the known cancer causing agent acrylamide?

Wow. I should open up a microwave food health store.
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Yes, perhaps you should! Let me know how it goes.

As for acrylamide... don't eat your crusted, baked food without a good glass of red wine ;)
 
I don't even own a microwave. i threw it away. not using the microwave is one of the few health-conscious decisions i make consistently besides avoiding tap water, exercising, and taking vitamins (its a habit now).

up until recently (and this is out of pure laziness, but also due to lack of financial means to do better) i had been eating mostly organic and basically being on this whole health tip.

but believe what you like, i don't buy into the microwave conspiracy!
 
lol are you talking to me?

WTF

I'm sure most people would agree that exercising and taking vitamins is good for you. And the tap water thing can be debated, but it has been proven to contain flouride and other chemicals which can be harmful.

as far as the microwave thing, I personally can't prove anything nor do i intend to try. how can i? all i did was state how i feel as it pertains to the usage of microwaves. its my OPINION.

i don't like the way microwave food tastes and i don't like the idea that it might make food energetically toxic, by using radiation to heat it up. so i don't use it, and yes i think its better to heat food by other methods. sue me.

i don't need to justify anything.
 
no, this wasn't about the vitamins or the physical activity, or the tap water (which I wouldn't challenge a person for being weary of: a year ago, the local water authority accidentally dumped 40 times the normal level of chloramine into the water, and only told us about it after the fact)

the microwaves though (the subject of the thread), I think is stupid, and I decided to call you on it, because this is an open forum.

Microwaves are worthless for making the kind of food that makes you go yum. I'll give you that. IMO, though, they're worth it solely for reheating food and drinks quickly, or thawing something to room temperature. People who throw away microwaves because they can't make creme brulee are missing the point, IMO.

The other thing though, the energetic toxicity. Why? People take that soft of thing (crap) like the gospel because it comes from someone who claims its a revelation that some kabal of evil people want to keep secret. Well, there's nothing like the sense of smug superiority one gets from having "inside information" about what's really going down, is there?


Radiation isn't a dirty word. How do you think grills, ovens, pots, pans, et cetera cook food? What do you think is shining down from the sun?

I had to jump in, because nothing bothers me more than a 12th century understanding of science in a 21st century world.
 
I genuinely believe that no one who believes in the energetic toxicity theory (I do) can convince other folks of their ideas. and vice-versa i also don't think that those who think microwaves are perfectly safe can convince the more careful among us that they're safe.

Nothing bothers me more than people who think they got it right and everyone else is wrong. I really don't think it's all that simple, atlas, and that you are right and that we are wrong. Just cos it hasn't been proven to be harmful with your criteria of what proof is doesn't mean it isn't harmful. you too, atlas, seem to be justifying your beliefs by bashing the beliefs of those you disagree with (i.e. calling them fundamentalists or whatever). Not a a nice way of going about making your point, and I'd like to call your bluff on that. Calling someone else's bluff won't validate your point.

Fact is there are 2 camps neither of which can with any certainty be proven wrong and until further scientific notice that everyone can agree on this is the way it's gonna be. just accept that some folks won't want to use microwaves for health reasons. and why should they not be allowed to voice it? This is hardly an academic forum. hell, even academics differ on this issue.

rant over.
 
atlas said:
no, this wasn't about the vitamins or the physical activity, or the tap water (which I wouldn't challenge a person for being weary of: a year ago, the local water authority accidentally dumped 40 times the normal level of chloramine into the water, and only told us about it after the fact)

the microwaves though (the subject of the thread), I think is stupid, and I decided to call you on it, because this is an open forum.

Microwaves are worthless for making the kind of food that makes you go yum. I'll give you that. IMO, though, they're worth it solely for reheating food and drinks quickly, or thawing something to room temperature. People who throw away microwaves because they can't make creme brulee are missing the point, IMO.

The other thing though, the energetic toxicity. Why? People take that soft of thing (crap) like the gospel because it comes from someone who claims its a revelation that some kabal of evil people want to keep secret. Well, there's nothing like the sense of smug superiority one gets from having "inside information" about what's really going down, is there?


Radiation isn't a dirty word. How do you think grills, ovens, pots, pans, et cetera cook food? What do you think is shining down from the sun?

I had to jump in, because nothing bothers me more than a 12th century understanding of science in a 21st century world.
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Well, like I said, it is my opinion that using the microwave is probably unhealthy.

And not all radiation is harmful, no. But surely, there's a difference between UV rays and radiation as a by-product of a nuclear facility. Surely you know that there are different kinds of radiation, no?

Plants thrive and grow in the sun, as does all life. I'd love to see someone grow crops in a microwave. I mean really, compare microwaves to the sun? wtf
 
ya, there are different kinds. Microwaves are non-ionizing radiation. Thats the good kind.

We aren't in dissagreement that this is your opinion; I just think your opinion is ignorant.
 
I don't think you understand the point of an opinion Mostslepton. Opinions are based on your perception of the facts. If you're basing them on a whim, without any facts to back them up, you're a retard. If a reasonable person doesn't have any facts one way or the other, they HAVE NO OPINION on the subject.
 
What a microwave does.

It makes the water molecules spin. Oh, wait, I'm the college boy...it IMPARTS rotational energy to them.:)

They spin, bang into each other, and that rotational energy is converted into thermal energy. This process can take a finite time, this is why, sometimes, the food will get a little hotter after you take it out.

I don't think they're unhealthy. I just think they make the food taste like shit.
 
Coolio said:
I don't think you understand the point of an opinion Mostslepton. Opinions are based on your perception of the facts. If you're basing them on a whim, without any facts to back them up, you're a retard. If a reasonable person doesn't have any facts one way or the other, they HAVE NO OPINION on the subject.
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Sorry, but I think this post is pretty retarded. What about opinions based on gut feelings? Is that so wrong? Or do you have to have hard facts before deciding whether you like something or not, all the time? If you do, I wouldn't want to be you. And just consider that many things in the past were seen as fact, but then we developed science enough to disprove them. If no-one had opinions that differed from the norm, then we would not come very far - we'd probably still think the earth was flat.

I'm not saying that microwaves are good or bad (personally I don't trust them but I don't base that on fact, just gut feeling), but seriously, cut this guy some slack.

And I don't think you know what opinion means. I google "define: opinion", and these are some of the first entries:

- a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty; "my opinion differs from yours"; "what are your thoughts on Haiti?"

- a message expressing a belief about something; the expression of a belief that is held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof; "his opinions appeared frequently on the editorial page"

- impression: a vague idea in which some confidence is placed;

So, ehh... what were you saying?
 
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