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Somewhere back on the first pages of this thread, I came to ask about some stuff relating to meth use in the homosexual community in Auckland. Due to ethical concerns and lack of funding, my formal study has turned into an informal study, something I do in my own time.

In order to understand the effects of meth use first hand, I traveled to an Asian country where I could experience it first hand and in the past month, I have finally finished my conclusion and finished my study on what I wanted to find out.

Of the 27 (was aiming for 30, but 3 backed out and did not agree to take part) people I interviewed and shared experiences with, 26 of them were what I would call 'functioning addicts', as in they held steady jobs for more than a span of 12 months and for those who did free lance work (4 of them), none of them have reported any troubles with finding employment.

22 persons were classified as middle class according to their relative wage in that country and only 10 are self reported daily users, with all 27 identifying as 'occasional' or 'weekend' drug users.
 
Somewhere back on the first pages of this thread, I came to ask about some stuff relating to meth use in the homosexual community in Auckland. Due to ethical concerns and lack of funding, my formal study has turned into an informal study, something I do in my own time.

In order to understand the effects of meth use first hand, I traveled to an Asian country where I could experience it first hand and in the past month, I have finally finished my conclusion and finished my study on what I wanted to find out.

Of the 27 (was aiming for 30, but 3 backed out and did not agree to take part) people I interviewed and shared experiences with, 26 of them were what I would call 'functioning addicts', as in they held steady jobs for more than a span of 12 months and for those who did free lance work (4 of them), none of them have reported any troubles with finding employment.

22 persons were classified as middle class according to their relative wage in that country and only 10 are self reported daily users, with all 27 identifying as 'occasional' or 'weekend' drug users.

But did you experience it firsthand?
 
Thank hou. I would like to be around to see her graduate school, get married and have children of her own. That is my biggest reason for wanting to quit. She needs me.
 
But did you experience it firsthand?
In short, yes. In slightly more detail, it ticked off a number of symptoms on my "things people say they feel when on meth" sheet.
Some were more pronounced than others, some were less pronounced with different methods of drug administration and span of time between each experiment or how long each continuous session was.

Basically, I felt fine and if I only do it for a relatively short period of time, the come down is manageable with a good night's rest, some water and I'd probably rank it to on "Ravenholm's relative level of suffering" to be around the same as a moderate hangover after a night of binge drinking.

Once I past the "3 day continuous use" mark with no sleep, I begin to feel like I'm more or less in a 'stoned' state, reaction time is slowed, talking becomes slurred and I'd probably classify it as "now we're really tweaking".

Past the day 5 mark, my body began to show signs of malnutrition, as I ate very little during that time. While I understand my body needs sustenance, I was very much following what my mind said and it said it wasn't hungry, so I let it slide. Thinking becomes a chore, speech starts to become incoherent due as both words and thoughts seem to become slurred. The effects of meth becomes less pronounced as my body is starting to give every indication that it NEEDS to sleep. At the end of Day 5, fearing for my physical and mental health. I ended the experiment.
Final notes on day 5:
- Muscles feel weak
- Thinking unclear
- Speech incoherent at times
- Hunger beginning to show
- Stomach/bowel problems [Will not go into detail]
- Hallucinations - auditory and visual.
- Increased libido observed in beginning of experiment no longer increasing.
 
You have a source to base your claims on that or you will just stick with the 1 or 2 people you know who blast and they appear "ok" then just proceed to generalize and feel that if they are ok then all is ok?

If you use the needle the likely hood of more problems are a lot bigger. If you use the needle something that can go wrong that is life altering is more of a chance. This is from a person who used to blast I have more experience then what you would know , there is a stigma attached and there is a reason for that. Defend your use of the needle that is all good and well if it makes you feel better however the needle won't ever defend you. Trust me on this.

and do you have a source to base your claims on? sounds to me that your just goin off your own personal experience aswell (ie. you had a bad IV meth problem)

I'm with alice on this one.. and I con-incidentally know dozens of people that are fucked on the pipe, apposed to literally one mabey two people on the pick.. dont get me wrong, there are many dangers to IV drug use, such as bacterial infections and what-not, but your sounding like old mate here who thinks the devil lives in the center of the earth, smoking crystal non-stop (lol)

Smoking meth to me feels like having a wank in the toilet whilst flicking through the lingerie section of the Target catalogue, yeah it feels good and you have fun but.........meh!!! Where as IV'ing meth to me feels like having a 20 year old Thai hooker suck my dick for hours upon hours until I blow in her hair then sneak out the back door without paying for it ;)

fucking lol =D
 
and do you have a source to base your claims on? sounds to me that your just goin off your own personal experience aswell (ie. you had a bad IV meth problem)

I'm with alice on this one.. and I con-incidentally know dozens of people that are fucked on the pipe, apposed to literally one mabey two people on the pick.. dont get me wrong, there are many dangers to IV drug use, such as bacterial infections and what-not, but your sounding like old mate here who thinks the devil lives in the center of the earth, smoking crystal non-stop (lol)

Probably just because smoking it so much more socially acceptable. I agree that one is not necessarily worse than the other...I do know once most people IV they never go back to smoking though. Rush/onset is quicker and stronger which does point towards it potentially being more addictive.
 
More than a couple of people here in this post have no issues with injectjng meth & find the stigma attached more problematic. I wish we as a whole would start recognising & valuing these experiences instead of broadly stigmatising people who do not fit that demonised mould. And really, we should stop stigmatising people who do fit that mould as what good can come from that either?
 
More than a couple of people here in this post have no issues with injectjng meth & find the stigma attached more problematic. I wish we as a whole would start recognising & valuing these experiences instead of broadly stigmatising people who do not fit that demonised mould. And really, we should stop stigmatising people who do fit that mould as what good can come from that either?

I agree Alice. People shouldn't be stigmatized for their chosen method of taking drugs. I don't think anyone is looking down upon IV users here. Sometimes people get defensive about it because they assume people are judging, this should be a safe place though :) I value your contributions here.

I'm more talking about having good balanced info for anyone considering taking gear by a different ROA for the first time. Needs to be WAY more emphasis on how addictive smoking can be, but at the same time IVing meth shouldn't be taken lightly. It's possible to use responsibly but if someone were asking me what my advice would be I'd tell them to avoid smoking and IV use, stick to oral dosing.
 
I never really noticed the difference in quality until recently when tolerance & a habit became a pat of it. Before just about all ice got me spun at varying degrees of intensity and a 'clean' or dirty feeling.

Now that I'm basically fucked and wondering how the hell I'm going to stop because if you took away the brain changes/damage then I love it just like opiates but I'm on methadone... I love ice in such a different way but I won't ramble.

But now that I use most days( IV , i eat, sleep, take vitamins & do have breaks) for example I got 0.2g & was so disappointed but a few days after I had 0.05g & was really high after being up all night! And the messed thing is every dealer around has had craps & koota recently. It's just a gamble.
 
EDIT: This was meant to be a reply to Raven but I didn't quote sorry :/

This has very little to do with sexuality but culture, and why they use meth.
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As most of you know I'm gay and I was first an oxy/morphine/heroin/xanax addict at first. I used for many years though never with gay friends. Then when I got on methadone my sex drive said bye-bye and as a 23 now I feel like I'm missing out hugely so I use meth for sex BUT most of the gay guys I know I would still consider addicted but it's used mostly for sex and much more infrequently. But many end up almost daily users like myself because some people have that addictive part in them & some don't.
 
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I could use some advice. My friend has been using crystal meth daily for about 5 years. She finally admitted to me that she has been using and that she wants to stop completely. She says that she hates what it has done to her but needs to take a hit once every 2 or 3 days to stop the withdrawal pains NOT to get high. She says the pains and sickness are awful and she doesn't have the ability to miss 2 weeks of work to go cold turkey, so she's "tapering". She has gone from using daily to using every couple of days (2 or 3 days) and says she's measuring her amount so as not to take enough to get her high. She eats well every day, sleeps well most nights, works every day and never looks high. I have no reason to doubt her as Ive seen her in the past and Ive heard all the lies hiding her use when I first suspected it (Im a non user and never have used, so Im a bit green) so for her to open up, I have no reason to doubt her. She has no insurance and cant afford to lose her job going into rehab so she's trying to wean herself before she stops completely hoping that the withdrawal time and symptoms will be less intense and more manageable.
My questions are, is this possible? Has anyone reading this completely stopped using by tapering and if so, what was your schedule and how long did it take? What can I do to help her? She doesn't talk about it often as she's embarrassed as hell and Im afraid to approach it too often in case I make it worse by making her think about it more. Do you believe that hating it and wanting to stop is enough to do so, as I think thats a great start? Is there anything besides Tylenol and multi vitamins she can take to better prepare herself and her body for the impacts of going cold turkey when the time is right? Ive researched and read that L Tyrosine is a good go to to ease the depression, but the pains and vomitting? What worked for you, PLEASE?
 
EDIT: This was meant to be a reply to Raven but I didn't quote sorry :/

This has very little to do with sexuality but culture, and why they use meth.
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As most of you know I'm gay and I was first an oxy/morphine/heroin/xanax addict at first. I used for many years though never with gay friends. Then when I got on methadone my sex drive said bye-bye and as a 23 now I feel like I'm missing out hugely so I use meth for sex BUT most of the gay guys I know I would still consider addicted but it's used mostly for sex and much more infrequently. But many end up almost daily users like myself because some people have that addictive part in them & some don't.

Maybe we're looking at this from different cultural perspectives, I know absolutely nothing on the interactions between sexuality, culture and drug use but from what I have observed. In the city of where I grew up, studied and work at, meth is very much 'a gay thing', while there are heterosexuals using it inside and outside the bed room, the meth users I know are overwhelmingly homo-/bisexual.

Meth is hella addictive, my last encounter with it was in late Feb this year (2014) in Asia. I find myself occasionally wondering where I can get it now that I am no longer in Asia and these thoughts have become more frequent lately.

I could use some advice. My friend has been using crystal meth daily for about 5 years. She finally admitted to me that she has been using and that she wants to stop completely. She says that she hates what it has done to her but needs to take a hit once every 2 or 3 days to stop the withdrawal pains NOT to get high. She says the pains and sickness are awful and she doesn't have the ability to miss 2 weeks of work to go cold turkey, so she's "tapering". She has gone from using daily to using every couple of days (2 or 3 days) and says she's measuring her amount so as not to take enough to get her high. She eats well every day, sleeps well most nights, works every day and never looks high. I have no reason to doubt her as Ive seen her in the past and Ive heard all the lies hiding her use when I first suspected it (Im a non user and never have used, so Im a bit green) so for her to open up, I have no reason to doubt her. She has no insurance and cant afford to lose her job going into rehab so she's trying to wean herself before she stops completely hoping that the withdrawal time and symptoms will be less intense and more manageable.
My questions are, is this possible? Has anyone reading this completely stopped using by tapering and if so, what was your schedule and how long did it take? What can I do to help her? She doesn't talk about it often as she's embarrassed as hell and Im afraid to approach it too often in case I make it worse by making her think about it more. Do you believe that hating it and wanting to stop is enough to do so, as I think thats a great start? Is there anything besides Tylenol and multi vitamins she can take to better prepare herself and her body for the impacts of going cold turkey when the time is right? Ive researched and read that L Tyrosine is a good go to to ease the depression, but the pains and vomitting? What worked for you, PLEASE?

For me, my departure from Asia where my contacts and sources ensured that it is 'only a call away' made it very hard for me to not continue in indulging my addiction. I think the 'best' way to stop the mental aspect of the meth craving is to remove yourself from an environment that one associates meth use with, if money is not a huge concern, I'd suggest a vacation, both away from the environment and away one's sources.

I think of myself as fortunate, after 3 months of irregular meth use, I suffered very little physical symptoms, so I cannot say what works and what doesn't on that. But the mental side of things, that side of my brain that goes "Remember when we had such a good time when we were on meth" keeps coming back.

According to my contacts and advice given should I have stepped into the deep end, there is very little one can do to ease the depression, as your 'capacity' to feel joy and happiness basically gets repeatedly nuked with meth use, it will take a while for your brain to recover and for everything to be in balance again. Ensure your friend is eating regularly, staying hydrated and remains entertained, I guess. At some point, when the most painful symptoms such as the vomiting and pains go away and it won't be so bad.
 
So much for quitting. I feel like the lowest piece of shit! Everyone including my partner thinks I'm sober & doing great but as I write there's a loaded pipe in my hand, shards & benzos on the table & just had a shot before. FUCK!
 
So much for quitting. I feel like the lowest piece of shit! Everyone including my partner thinks I'm sober & doing great but as I write there's a loaded pipe in my hand, shards & benzos on the table & just had a shot before. FUCK!

...yep...right there with ya.
 
So much for quitting. I feel like the lowest piece of shit! Everyone including my partner thinks I'm sober & doing great but as I write there's a loaded pipe in my hand, shards & benzos on the table & just had a shot before. FUCK!

Can you get away from it for a while? Go spend some time away with an old friend/s or family? Go have a little holiday somewhere for the weekend or something. Might be better to come clean if you feel like you're getting close to needing a rest, but you have to be ready and wanting to quit I guess. Stay safe ket...especially with benzos/opiates as you know.
 
Just wondering how long people go without food for?

I had a point IV Friday night and I've not eaten anything since Friday morning(Sunday arvo). Pizza is on its way currently after smoking some weed for appetite.

I hadn't really thought about it until you asked but yeah... I eat dinner with the family in the evening... and that's mainly for appearances...but I think it has helped keep the crazy in check. Fruit and sports drinks are great ideas and I've started to take a bunch of supplements as well to help with some of the other things Meth brings with it. Pretty much figuring it out as I go.
 
does anyone ever get free...

I have only recently started using meth. I'm trying to use responsibly but I'm up to about two grams a week. I try to take a couple days off here and there but mostly it's been about a month and a half straight. I tried stopping a week or two ago when the paranoia started creeping in, but stopping sucked worse than the paranoia.

So my question is...does anyone ever quit?... Or do they just run out?

I guess a follow up question would be, how long is too long without a break?
 
A family member was a daily user for over a year, then ended up in the hospital and made up her mind to quit. She just quit, with no real trouble at all, once she had really made the decision to do it. She has relapsed and used about once a year since then but has not become a regular user again.
 
Poledriver, meth is meth. Why not buy some ice and add as much glucose as needed to justify using. Fuck 'speed'.
Montanna meth was shocking, shooting up in your neck as if she exhausted all other options?

Not so much true mate. Meth maybe meth but sore and meth are 2 different types of amphet.
I believe that the white powdery speed poledriver is referring to is amphetamine sulphate which is a white powder that looks similar to coke and is snorted, eaten or injected.
Methamphetamine is more potent and in crystal or liquid (base) form. Which is eaten, snorted, injected or plugged or whatever
Amphetamine sulphate isn't common in Australia, in fact it's pretty rare. 9/10 when you buy "speed" that's powdery in aus it's cut to shit with glucose or paracetamol or some powder methamphetamine. Since poledriver is a seasoned vet I presume he would be talking about amphet sulphate. I'm pretty sure years and years back it was available in Australia more than now.
I know I used to get it back in the early 2000s. I prefer sulphate to meth, I find it to be cleaner and doesn't last for ages like meth does.
 
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