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Methamphetamine Discussion Thread 2.0

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How much is too much? How often is too much? When do you know you have a problem?

My friends and I always look at each other for JB (junkie behaviour) and in a humorous manner pull each other up on it.... Things like coming out of the bathroom with fresh blood stain on the shirt/arm/wherever.
Getting behind in rent/phone/rego,
Finding *unusual * ways of making cash,
Leaving fit wrappers in places that others that don't iv can see them,
Comparing day to day objects to j activities (such as calling a car "fit cap orange")
Its just a bit of a laugh with us, but in a way, it reminds us that we need to be vigilant about our behaviour and the risk of normalising our usage. B-)
 
Spackeradder said:
when the thought of meth will take on a forceful physical component -- stomach cramps and sweating.
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Yeah, that's what it was for me. Physical cravings that were just unbearable. It's probably the main reason I stopped - I hate the feeling of that overwhelming, whole body craving so badly - and even using every day I was craving again as soon as I put down the pipe. I still get those cravings (though not as much, thank god) - I have it now just reading this thread - that churning adrenaline in my tummy, sweating, rapid breathing - and it's been over 3 years now since I last used.

For a long time I just didn't let myself entertain the thought of it at all but lately I've been romanticising it a lot. It is so easy to look back with rose coloured glasses. I have to keep reminding myself if it was such a fucking amazing way to live life I never would have gone through the shit process of quitting. I feel like I miss the life as much as anything - just that 24hr lifestyle and the people. It's a tough one.
 
I relaspsed because I had decided that didnt go the way I had planned to begin with and for had stayed sober for most part of it. Im operate normally and live a normal life without stimulants to a lesser degree its a window I can see clearly the glass but I cant get through it.
 
Iv had a few runii what a thing I called kenny the cockroach that growings under around wet patchs in the bathroom walls and also nested eggs along the wall cavity it appeared to bores hole through the wall and tunneled under the bathroom tile either I have to remove it or just live with the sound it makes it sickly like gurgling tapping with beeping as well as some tunneling voice . Im going out because its been awake and I cant make sense of the whole thikng
 
I first started smoking it in Cambodia in 2007, straight out of the Burmese super labs ... Hectic stuff.

Than I came back from holiday and didn't touch it for like a year ... Although I did crave it and have actual dreams about smoking yabba pills and Ice.

What saved me is apart from the 2007 stint I NEVER smoked it .... Always ate or sniffed it ... And guess what ... I never got addicted!

I do it like once every 3 months and it's been like that for the last seven years. Again the key is to NOT smoke it ... The abuse potential takes a massive dive and it's been a great tool to use when needed.
 
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Yeah, that's what it was for me. Physical cravings that were just unbearable. It's probably the main reason I stopped - I hate the feeling of that overwhelming, whole body craving so badly - and even using every day I was craving again as soon as I put down the pipe. I still get those cravings (though not as much, thank god) - I have it now just reading this thread - that churning adrenaline in my tummy, sweating, rapid breathing - and it's been over 3 years now since I last used.

For a long time I just didn't let myself entertain the thought of it at all but lately I've been romanticising it a lot. It is so easy to look back with rose coloured glasses. I have to keep reminding myself if it was such a fucking amazing way to live life I never would have gone through the shit process of quitting. I feel like I miss the life as much as anything - just that 24hr lifestyle and the people. It's a tough one.
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I feel you man! I seriously feel the exact same way. It's been 2 years I've spent being sober and I love my life now. I have the best wife.. and I'm finally living a "normal" life that's not thrill-seeking and filled with my crazy wild behaviour. I'm 27.. and as much as I enjoy being sober.. I do miss that wild life. When I was single and I was able to use every single day.. I didn't think I had a problem. I loved writing on it, I loved playing the piano and recording my songs. I felt that I could sing better.. fuck better lol I was hanging out with pornstars from LA and it was just an amazing life I was living. Sure I felt the guilt of killing my body with it. And I hated breaking out even though I took great care of myself. I honestly feel I looked better on Meth and I don't know if it's just all inside my head or what but I loved my cheekbones on it.. now I just feel fat lmaooo even though I'm not I just feel a certain way about Meth that nobody can really take away or try to change my opinion on it. I just wish the drug wasn't so toxic because it sure as hell is amazing for focus, boosting energy, working out is friggin' fantastic, it's great for weight loss even though it can be too catabolic.. it has it's pros and cons I just wish Meth was like Marijuana.. not so toxic. I can't stand weed.. I hate weed.. I wish it was the other way around and weed was the toxic drug instead of Meth and they made Meth legal.. holy crap that would make my dream come true! Seriously! lol
 
What saved me is apart from the 2007 stint I NEVER smoked it .... Always ate or sniffed it ... And guess what ... I never got addicted!
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Yeah, same with me, most my friends who went on to smoke or inject it got pretty addicted to it.
 
Any ROA can be addictive. Saying there's a key to not becoming addicted to meth other than not taking it is absurd.
 
footscrazy said:
For a long time I just didn't let myself entertain the thought of it at all but lately I've been romanticising it a lot. It is so easy to look back with rose coloured glasses. I have to keep reminding myself if it was such a fucking amazing way to live life I never would have gone through the shit process of quitting. I feel like I miss the life as much as anything - just that 24hr lifestyle and the people. It's a tough one.
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Insidious the way crystal corrupts the memory, isn't it? Cravings, comedowns, gnashing teeth, sleep deprivation, anorexia, psychosis, depression... all these nightmares just fade into the background when the suggestion of getting on again comes up. Blah. Sick of the shit... but I'm coming down, so what else am I gonna say?

Also, how did you quit in the end, anyway, footscrazy? What's the magic solution?

... Anyone else ever find that, sometimes after getting on it, the idea of sleep almost becomes kind of terrifying? I often find myself refusing to just give in and pass out, despite the fact that I'm out of ciggies and bud and gear. What horror am I supposed to be avoiding?
 
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How many junkies do you know that keep up their habit for a considerable time?

If you're addicted chances are you have a reasonable tolerance, coupled with the price and bioavailability.. Oral Meth addiction in Aus just isn't feasible unless you import/manafucture it or have more money than sense.

Some addicts stick to the pipe or insufflation (which has a higher bioavailability than smoking, mind you, but no you can't get addicted railing meff) for a long time before switching to the needle, and the smart ones start plugging..

You're on a HR website. Claiming one won't get addicted if they stick to a certain ROA seems wrong to me.
 
It's just my opinion. If you disagree then fine. I've known injectors and smokers who have been using for many yrs and obviously can't quit, they try and fail. Then on the other side I know some friends who just bomb a tiny bit or do a small line and do not have such a problem. They can go months and months without it, the iv or smokers cant.

I also believe with cannabis that using it via a vaporiser or eating it in cookies is much less addictive or habit forming than smoking cones or joints.

This is all just my opinion. I'm not telling people to do anything, if I was telling them to it would be to not do meth at all, any type of way. It's obviously very addictive and expensive and destructive.

Go back a page and look at that pic of the 'drug arrests' those people are all meth heads, I bet each and everyone of them is. Who the fuck wonts to risk ending up going that way? And I bet they are all injectors or smokers. Not people who do lines or bomb a tiny bit once in a blue moon.
 
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I know people who only smoke occasionally. There are addicts who insufflate as their main ROA.

It's cool that you have your opinion. I'm just letting you know that knowing people who are sensible with those ROAs are doesn't mean the ROA is inherently sensible and can't be abused more, nor does it mean other ROAs are less sensible and always mean more abuse.

Smoking is a weird issue because it's a social activity. People don't sit around passing the same barrel around, or a plate and a straw.
People do sit around passing around the glassy, talking and twirling for hours on end.

I'm not sure whether this is Aus specific or whether "meth culture" is like this in other countries, but this is AusDD.
 
I'm an IV user that never got 'addicted'.. the most frequent use I had was once or twice a fortnight, but more if I was smoking... I actually went for 7 months recently without IVing until I bought a half weight last week n had to have a taste lol (~50mg max)

bunnymunro said:
How much is too much? How often is too much? When do you know you have a problem?

My friends and I always look at each other for JB (junkie behaviour) and in a humorous manner pull each other up on it.... Things like coming out of the bathroom with fresh blood stain on the shirt/arm/wherever.
Getting behind in rent/phone/rego,
Finding *unusual * ways of making cash,
Leaving fit wrappers in places that others that don't iv can see them,
Comparing day to day objects to j activities (such as calling a car "fit cap orange")
Its just a bit of a laugh with us, but in a way, it reminds us that we need to be vigilant about our behaviour and the risk of normalising our usage. B-)
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hahaha thats funny, in an awsome way.. if only my close mates were open minding to the whole IVing thing, I would have similar stories to share lol the older crew I roll with that are the only IV users I tend to hang around have no time to be joking around about that shit :\
 
I always IV these days, but way back when I was addicted to snorting. I hated needles back in those days. Now I obviously have a different drug of preference, but I still always IV my stimulants, in fact due to certain circumstances I've been doing them a bit too regularly over the last few weeks. Maybe I should pull the reins a bit and stop swirling my lower jaw...
 
Oh shit. I had a mate who was on meth once who told me to visit because he had some of what I like. Man, when I got there, he took literally an hour to find it. I was sick as fuck, sweating, shaking, the lot. He was trying to just talk like I was fine. I couldn't even get the word in that I was too sick to give a shit about his midnight internet game antics, and he wasn't picking up on the vibes. I had to, after 20 minutes or so, just flat out say "I'm really fucking sick man, can you find that shit you said you had, the reason why I'm here?", and he had completely forgot about it. He knew he was looking for something, while talking to me, but he'd forgotten what.

Fuck I hate it when meth binges turn normal people into complete imbeciles.
 
the_ketaman said:
Fuck today was fun(if you read my post before it was before I found the Clonazepam I was looking for lol) it consisted of 100mg methadone, 10mg Clonazepam, then 200mg primo heroin which was nice even on top of my methadone which was unusual as huge doses havent broken through my 'done before so some good h is getting round(first time ive had a tickle in 6+ months).

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P.s its irresponsible to not add a disclaimer saying that this user has quite a tolerance to opiates and benzos and mixing aamphetamins into that is irresponsible and the act of someone with problematic drug use so unless you want to be a drug addict take it easy with the drugs.
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Ketaman, posts of this nature are not appropriate for BL. Posting a list of what substances you used and in what amounts isn't HR, it's boasting about a combo that's got you high. There is no value in this sort of post, and it also glorifies potentially dangerous use and combinations. Posting a disclaimer doesn't change this fact. Having to post a disclaimer at all should be an indiciation that what you've written is not appropriate. We've brought up this issue with you (and others) before, but this time I have to be blunt. You have some very valuable experience and knowledge to share on the forum, but glorifying your drug use in this manner needs to stop.


Spackeradder said:
Also, how did you quit in the end, anyway, footscrazy? What's the magic solution?
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I will put some proper thought into this answer when I have some time :)
 
Kay if its not deleted ill delete in but I really wasnt boasting. "High" is not something that I would say i feel very often and I did today so I was happy but if its not appropriate then ill get rid of it. And thankyou for than because its making me realise how normal this has become and thats not right. The fact that other people view these thijgs as so irresponsible makes me wonder about myself. I tend to take it too far and end up the loser too often. And its only been this way a year or so. Maybe im not (something) enough to post on here because maybe its taking away from the harm reduction provided by this site. Sorry guys for my immature behavior, think I should probably can it. And while ive had so much grief in my life I think I used bl as an outlet but I think ill post in the darkside and other forums because I dont fit in with you guys and I think most of you keep it together whereas I am just crazy me.
 
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the_ketaman said:
Maybe im not (something) enough to post on here because maybe its taking away from the harm reduction provided by this site. Sorry guys for my immature behavior, think I should probably can it. And while ive had so much grief in my life I think I used bl as an outlet but I think ill post in the darkside and other forums because I dont fit in with you guys and I think most of you keep it together whereas I am just crazy me.
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Dude, I just wanted to say that you are a valued and absolutely worthy member of this subforum.
Seriously.
I agree with footscrazy's post - but please don't take it personally.
By all means - post in other parts of the forum (make the most of the diversity that BL provides!) but just because one or two people (myself included) have expressed concern for your safety and wellbeing lately - please don't feel like you are being singled out or ostracised; the concern is sincere and trust me - from the few people I have met from bluelight in real life - I can tell you with absolute certainty that a lot of people on bluelight have had extremely traumatic things happen (or happening) in their lives, major struggles with all kinds of things.
You're not alone, man.
You're one of us - and any concern expressed (I can quite confidently say) about your posts have the best intentions.
Please don't take anxiety about the patterns of drug use you post about as rejection or criticism on a personal level.

The post above - as you acknowledge - describes a cocktail that could have fatal consequences for many people. You included.
I don't want to beat around in the bush; it's scary dude.
We worry because we care, and the HR message is most important to those of us who are having really serious troubles.
I don't think it's a bad idea at all to post in The Dark Side - in fact, it's a really good idea. But please don't feel people in AusDD are having a go at you because we show concern.
 
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