Methamphetamine Discussion Thread 2.0

[Jabberwocky]

I still haven't touched the pipe in ages although a housemate of mine uses it every weekend and the stuff he is getting is really, really good. 1 point lasts him a whole weekend with no sleep and he's described it as extremely euphoric. He's also reported that the scat is minimal compared to the shard we were getting 6 or so months ago. This stuff doesn't even look anything special, but I've watched him put ~10mg in the pipe and get a good few hours of puffs out of it with almost no residue left over. So tempted to try just one puff but I know where that leads.

To the people aquiring shit shards, simple answer is to stop buying them. Either demand that the price go down due to decrease in quality or just don't buy it all together. This has always been mine and my friend's way of thinking and when you can convince a large group of people to follow this rule, dealers definitely pull their shit together and source better stuff, or atleast decrease the meth/cut ratio.

 

[mork]

...To the people aquiring shit shards, simple answer is to stop buying them. Either demand that the price go down due to decrease in quality or just don't buy it all together...

haha! gold - as an addict I had to laugh at that...."just don't buy it all together" yeah riiiight

 

[not happening]

In the sense of full disclosure maybe I should give a little more background... I was in the army back in the early 90's and was introduced to crack cocaine. Up to that point the only drugs I had experimented with were pot (in high school), LSD which I had a real fondness for and mushrooms which I enjoyed better than LSD because they seemed so much "cleaner" and I didn't feel like shit the next day. Once I discovered freebase I had the luxury of being stationed in California. This quickly became a weekend recreational drug and I never had any problem with abstaining during the week. It seems that I do not have a very addictive personality. I stopped cold turkey in March of 1994 and used cooked coke twice since then (sort of a mini binge both times). Sure, I crawled the carpet looking for ghost pieces while I was coming down but never allowed myself to go get more even though it was readily available. It seems that I always used too fast... Never waiting between hits. I'd break a dime into 2 pieces and smoke one then immediately load the pipe while getting the next rock ready. I did do a few lines of crystal while in Cali and was fucked up for 3 days. Wide awake and jittery before finally crashing and sleeping for 12 hours.

The meth that my buddy brought was 1.5 grams of very clear crystal that had no taste or smell and hit like a fucking hammer. Again, I think it was my fascination with the pipe and the desire to have something to do but we would load the pipe and pass it back and forth barely giving it time to cool between hits and then immediately load up again. After 3 or 4 pipes we would clean and smoke what residue we could and then start over. We forced ourselves to take a few "breaks" of about 45 minutes to an hour but for the most part smoked continuously for about 24 hours. The other .5 grams were what he called shake and bake... Tasted like ass. We both snorted a line which burned like a goddamned propane torch and then smoked the nasty shit. It didn't hit nearly as hard but kept us busy and kept us fucked up. He uses 2-3 days a week and was able to fall asleep about an hour or so after we ran out but I spent two more hours trying my best to smoke all the residue and then digging in the carpet (that's always been fun to me for some reason). I just stepped out on the porch and sooted up his pipe with a frigging lighter until finally giving up. It did take me several hours before I fell asleep but nothing like I expected because I was fucked up as a rat.

I haven't touched the stuff since I made the original post but I am seriously considering another session. My question to you guys is... Is it possible to divide 1.5 grams into .01 gram pipe loads and assuming that I have the self control to take a small hit every few hours not get too fucked up to work but stay focused and alert for long work sessions. Understand that I only work 2-3 20 hour days a week and would only use on those days so it would not be a daily thing but would be 2-3 times each week. My main concerns are "meth mouth" and the possibility of coming home one night to find the family awake and them noticing that something was up. I am not too concerned about the addictive aspect because I can make the arrangement with the only available source that if I say no more he will refuse service to me. This is a long time friend and I trust him to do so. It doesn't seem like it could be any worse than drinking multiple energy drinks and maybe eating a loritab which wires me up if used in very small maintenance doses... Before I decide to take the leap and give it a shot I want some honest input.

 

[drug_mentor]

I edited the prices out of your post, we don't allow prices to be posted on Bluelight. You should refer to the forum guidelines to familiarise yourself with the rules.

I strongly recommend against jumping head first into using meth 2-3 times a week, I have found that using that often creates really powerful cravings for the drug and it can become a hard cycle to break, using at work I think is an even more slippery slope than recreational drug use as well, because you are depending on that drug to function in some way. Meth is pretty taxing on the body too, not to mention the wallet, you can expect a negative impact on both of those in the medium to long term with regular meth use. I know you think you have it figured out, but trust me that the odds of you ending up in a position you really didn't see yourself in 6-12 months time are pretty high.

A big problem with illicit drugs is fluctuating purity, it is impossible to say you will stick to a given dose of meth due to varying purity alone, let alone the major consideration of tolerance. Even without those factors in mind I think you will find that methamphetamine is a hard drug to regulate, because for most people it certainly induces a strong urge to redose, particularly if they are in possession of more of the drug.

Your friend might cut you off if things get out of hand, he might not, I obviously can't comment on your friends character but surely you know that some people do change from drugs, whether it be from using or dealing it can alter relationships and I wouldn't be 100% invested in that relationship as your fail safe against addiction. Apart from that, I am positive if you want meth and he refuses to supply it that you will find a new source for the drug quickly, there is a good chance someone else you already know uses it, or can at least obtain it. If drugs were that hard to find there wouldn't be so many people out there getting high...

I am no tea totaller and I am not telling you not to use meth, but as far as your question about an honest opinion on using meth 2-3 days a week at work, I think that is a really fucking bad idea.

 

[not happening]

Thank you for the input. You have pretty much validated my concerns... Guess I'll stick with energy drinks and coffee. Not asking for any "suggestions" here but if one were looking for something a little less destructive that could assist in maintaining focus and energy for long work sessions what would be a good starting point? I was using hydrocodone on a regular basis for some back problems and discovered that I got wired up when taking it. I would use 3-4 10 mg hydrocodone tablets and kill two birds with one stone but a few months ago I backed off on that because I started to develop a tolerance and felt slight withdrawals when I didn't take it. Nothing major, queasiness mostly and the constipation is a bitch when I did take it. Lol. I still take a Norco or Loritab when my back really bothers me but have pretty much learned to live with a little pain and eat Aleve instead.

Any thoughts on Ritalin or Adderall??? I know I might be the exception around here but I'm seriously not looking to get "high" but with my current schedule would like to find something to keep me alert and focused instead of just awake... The goal is to actually prosper by being more productive and not to do the opposite by getting a monkey on my back that I can't beat off with a stick.

 

[Christ!]

Thank you for the input. You have pretty much validated my concerns... Guess I'll stick with energy drinks and coffee. Not asking for any "suggestions" here but if one were looking for something a little less destructive that could assist in maintaining focus and energy for long work sessions what would be a good starting point? I was using hydrocodone on a regular basis for some back problems and discovered that I got wired up when taking it. I would use 3-4 10 mg hydrocodone tablets and kill two birds with one stone but a few months ago I backed off on that because I started to develop a tolerance and felt slight withdrawals when I didn't take it. Nothing major, queasiness mostly and the constipation is a bitch when I did take it. Lol. I still take a Norco or Loritab when my back really bothers me but have pretty much learned to live with a little pain and eat Aleve instead.

Any thoughts on Ritalin or Adderall??? I know I might be the exception around here but I'm seriously not looking to get "high" but with my current schedule would like to find something to keep me alert and focused instead of just awake... The goal is to actually prosper by being more productive and not to do the opposite by getting a monkey on my back that I can't beat off with a stick.

Are you fit? Eating right? Don't smoke or drink often? Not smoking weed?

If you're not doing that Ritalin or Adderall will help if you can keep doses low and under control. I'm not confident you'd be able to do that reading about your previous meth use. If you don't keep it under control you'll get reduced productivity because of running out of your script early and being useless during that time.

Opiates help focus and concentration but not in the long run, if you can keep it very occasional - sure.

Trying to fix this stuff with powerful drugs that have potential for abuse is a slippery slope.

 

[indybreaker]

haven't touched the soul sucking sweet puff for about I think it would be 3 months now. only reason was since moving I decided to delete all my contacts since moving interstate. best decision I did. its a creepy drug and makes u so indenial that you aren't one of those crack heads people talk about until you get clean off it and realize just how bad ya were. I would think sleeping 2 days max a week was normal, i never experienced hullicinations, so it became more of a routine rather than addiction I felt. I would wake up , have a twizzle, shower, have another off to work get home twizz again then do unproductive shit on the net all night and never paying for it made it harder aswell. But i didn't also realize just how extremely weak it makes u and fatigued. I was a bit of a gym junkie prior to the pipe (98kg small body fat %) pushing 50kg dumbells chest press easy with 4-5 sets of 9-10 (not egoing just telling) now im fat, at 94kg huge body fat and lucky to push out 5 sets of 5 of 25kg dumbells. Oh well that's a short bit of my dive into the sweet puff of the stem diaries. Don't get me wrong, having a toke is great, tastes nice, its social (im not talking hangin with crabs) but , puff responsibly.

 

[AFA]

Cheers for sharing your exp bro, good insight

Got some shard that is leaving a orangish residue after smoking for a while. Anyone else had this happen?

 

[not happening]

Are you fit? Eating right? Don't smoke or drink often? Not smoking weed?

If you're not doing that Ritalin or Adderall will help if you can keep doses low and under control. I'm not confident you'd be able to do that reading about your previous meth use. If you don't keep it under control you'll get reduced productivity because of running out of your script early and being useless during that time.

Opiates help focus and concentration but not in the long run, if you can keep it very occasional - sure.

Trying to fix this stuff with powerful drugs that have potential for abuse is a slippery slope.

Fit? Maybe a few pounds overweight... Drink socially and don't smoke. No weed in years. I never liked the stuff because it made me sleepy. Previous meth use was a one time experience and that was it. I do have a history of cocaine use but have not used in almost 20 years. Might try the Ritalin route and see how it goes.

 

[lovepsychadelics]

Got some crazy shit not long ago just a .1 sample. It was fucking mental. Looked like imported Mexican meth (was told it was imported and it was the guys personal stash) and felt just as fucking nuts. 3 day come down. Just fucked right up... never again or at least not for a very long time. If people are complaining about the quality obviously they have not hit this shit up. Fuck rather do MPA at least I know that the low level/no euphoria means 6-8 hours I can sleep while still having energy to do shit. Problem is the vasoconstriction if you over do it is fucking bad.

 

[michael6120]

might have the chance to try some new stuff in the city next week.... will report back.

 

[the_ketaman]

Shiiiiit i havent had shards that god, well on not sure ever! I got 0.2g n mate got 0.1g and i got about 3 decent shot and plenty to smoke. Then we got offered coke and while ive had mediocre product this was really good. Me and a friend had 4 piles in between a bump and a line. Then had 3 iv shots for me and 2 for him(i reckon he gave is way more than 1/2g pts!) So now ive finally tried proper good coke! I doubt it gets much better he even admitted it was 50% pure so that could be true as its not far fetched. It was a really stupid thing to do though and i wouldnt suggest it to anyone. Xanax and meth lower your inhibitions so much that you dont think about bad things happening. It was totally irresponsible snd if you plan on using try to remember what you would or wouldnt do and write it down on paper do you remember...... Unfortunately ive been scared off coke for good!

this is the meth thread though so ill just say we got some big ass shards that was probably close to thr best ive had. About 5 dealers got pinched this week so its been scare but a dance with the old girl was just what i needed. Though i dont think my hearts too happy. At least theres no chance my heart is damaged or i would have died :/

 

[michael6120]

great to hear your still with us! Jeez sounds like a great little bender you had mate . .

 

[the red shark]

If your shards taste salty, could they be cut with MSM or is it not possible to use MSM for shards? I have struggled trying to wash shards because the acetone doesn't remove much I'm guessing new cutting agents may require a different solvent or something. I don't wanna chop up my new lot of shards but I'm used to clean, smooth, no flavour and this salty taste is making my smoking less enjoyable, Hoping its MSM cos know the wash can eliminate it

 

[the_ketaman]

Anyway, its hard to gauge how good it is because im smoking it whereas I usually bang a point then smoke after ive had a shot so yeh, but its nothing spesh. Very cloudy crystals(have no idea what that means) unlike most of the stuff ive had before which was clear like glass. Its hard to smoke without burning either but that might be due to my old pipe and not the best technique.

Fuck I thought heroin was a bad habit! Im not even a big stim fan, I love my benzos and opies but this shit has grabbed ahold of my balls and wont let go! Im kind of glad this stuff isnt that good coz im not in a hurry to get more, and I guess its a step in the right direction that im not IV'ing it. But why does meth have to be such a good sex drug! Being on methadone at 23 has caused me to not be "Keen" as much as I should and meth changes that, especially in the gay community where your expected to be horny all the time :/ . I hear that eventually it does the opposite and meth-heads end up not wanting sex ever really, is this true? Seems that in the last 3 months everyone in my town that was shooting speed is now shooting ice and everyone else is smoking it, its crazy how ive seen this drug change my suburb dramatically in such a short time.

 

[floatingaround]

Damn that sucks to hear Ket. Look after yourself brother. I used meth for the first time in close to 5 months the other week. Had very strong cravings to use again days after, but I feel I'm back to baseline.

 

[pisspotnrock]

are blue lips a common side effect of IVing decent doses of gear? I have always gotten bluelips when doin so, I hope its a normal thing as I'm currently pre-diagnosed with pulmonary hypertension.... (I havnt touched it in 2-3 months since being diagnosed with normal hypertension, mabey once or twice but that was smoking small amounts)

Meth is one fuck of a drug! I swore myself off it and only 2 nights ago OD'd on cocaine(you heard right! heart problems run in my family and I had 3 lines and experienced extreme tachycardia and heart palpitations, I planned of IV'ing some of it after too) and last week was shooting coke on top of being ridiculously spun on meth. Then all the dealers got done in about a week so I didnt bother going looking. But now one of em is back on and I just smoked 2/3 of a point and feel like and idiot! My heart is flipping though not to the extent of the other night, im not really worried but I know oneday my heart will just give out like my dads did multiple times before he died.

Anyway, its hard to gauge how good it is because im smoking it whereas I usually bang a point then smoke after ive had a shot so yeh, but its nothing spesh. Very cloudy crystals(have no idea what that means) unlike most of the stuff ive had before which was clear like glass. Its hard to smoke without burning either but that might be due to my old pipe and not the best technique.

Fuck I thought heroin was a bad habit! Im not even a big stim fan, I love my benzos and opies but this shit has grabbed ahold of my balls and wont let go! Im kind of glad this stuff isnt that good coz im not in a hurry to get more, and I guess its a step in the right direction that im not IV'ing it. But why does meth have to be such a good sex drug! Being on methadone at 23 has caused me to not be "Keen" as much as I should and meth changes that, especially in the gay community where your expected to be horny all the time :/ . I hear that eventually it does the opposite and meth-heads end up not wanting sex ever really, is this true? Seems that in the last 3 months everyone in my town that was shooting speed is now shooting ice and everyone else is smoking it, its crazy how ive seen this drug change my suburb dramatically in such a short time.

just read ya post.. dude, get the fuck off all stimulants if you have heart/BP problems.. what is you BP like? and if you dont mind me asking, what heart problems do you have? you're fuckn crazy touchin meth/coke with well diagnosed heart problems.. probably not the best advice but get back on the smack, atleast you wont die pre-maturally (givin you dont OD, again..) 8(

fuck, mabey that was very bad advice.. just stick to bennies dude!

 

[5000m]

that's a bit fucking nuts tbh ket man. I'm feelin you on the meth cravings dude but fuck mixing IV meth with smoked meth and coke if you have heart problems. getting high on meth is awesome but not worth dying for yo.

 

[the_ketaman]

I dont have heart problems they run in my dads side of the family but im starting to think i have a healthy heart. My dad was overweight, a chronic smoker, was mentally ill(which caused him stress) and he had two heart attacks before he died so imo they were warning signs. Just as i think the warning meant for me was pull the fuck up and dont be stupid and have 3 giant lines. Start off with a small one first(though ill never do coke again).

Im finding it hard with the meth and im still using but not anywhere near the extent i was not long ago and im not taking 10 xanax with it every day. So thx for the concern guys but for now I think im doing ok n gonna keep all that shit to the darkside coz this isnt the place.

p.s i agree it was totally idiotic shooting coke on top of being wired on crystal. Xanax makes you think its all good though. Meth n high doses of xanax(unless its on the comedown) is bad news! A friend says theres a possible jail sentence in every bottle of xanax and hes right.

 

[the_ketaman]

And blue lips are not normal pisspotnrock but on speed(i.e dirty ass meth that seems relatively unknown in many places) my hands and feet turn purple due to vaso-constriction but not on purish ice so much unless i have too much..... An idea is to drink more water as that often helps me and dont sit in the same spot for too long. Move around for 5 mins every hour or so. Let the blood flow.

Those two things in combination will help.