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speed isn't ice ice is not speed

both are made completely different.
speed you get a dead ant taste in the back of your throat and not as much of a euphorical feeling as ice .
ice is more euphorical feeling tingles lil bit of houghing ... some speed users don't like ice because there is no taste when you use.
They are different, but in Australia all 'speed' is actually meth just cut up or impure. The closest thing you get to real amphetamine in aus is dexamphetamine. It's too hard to get the chemicles needed into aus to make amphet so people just make methamp instead as its alot easier to make and get through.
 
speed isn't ice ice is not speed

both are made completely different.
speed you get a dead ant taste in the back of your throat and not as much of a euphorical feeling as ice .
ice is more euphorical feeling tingles lil bit of houghing ... some speed users don't like ice because there is no taste when you use.
Never tasted dead ant also, interesting.
 
They are different, but in Australia all 'speed' is actually meth just cut up or impure. The closest thing you get to real amphetamine in aus is dexamphetamine. It's too hard to get the chemicles needed into aus to make amphet so people just make methamp instead as its alot easier to make and get through.


I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you, I do not believe its the fact that its too hard to get specific chemicals in Australia to make amphetamine considering that most of the chemical plus a couple more an a few extra steps makes methamphetamine. I do agree though that meth is easier to make.
and it is more preferable because it is stronger and more purer as well and the effects last longer. also the most predominant amphetamine in Australia until the late 1980s...was amphetamine sulphate commonly made by backyard cooks. since the 1990s methamphetamine has since dominated over amphetamine... in quality, consumer demand, & price. and buy the early 2000th crystal methamphetamine was out and even more purer and better quality for only a small increase in price. so now supply and demand of ice has now levelled out the costs between meth and crystal.


Amphetamine type Stimulant (ATS)

ATS are all chemically related to the parent compound amphetamine and act as central
nervous system stimulants. ATS include amphetamine and methamphetamine in forms ofpowder, base and crystal; MDMA (ecstasy) and related drugs such as MDA and MDEA; and
pharmaceutical stimulants such as dextroamphetamine, methylphenidate and phentermine.
ATS vary in form and purity, with crystal methamphetamine representing the most potent
ATS.




Amphetamine, dexamphetamines
street names...
Speed, whiz, uppers,
goey, dexies, pep pills
what it looks like .
White, yellow, pink
or brown powder or
tablets


Methamphetamine
names.
Meth, speed, whiz,
fast, uppers, goey,Gas
louee, Lou Reed, rabbit
tail, pep pills; in paste
form can be referred
to as base, pure, point
or wax; in liquid form
can be referred to as
leopard’s blood, ox
blood, red speed or
liquid red,Gas ,
puke , gears

what it looks like

White,
yellow or
brown powder,
a paste, tablets or a
red liquid


Crystalline methamphetamine
hydrochloride (D-methamphetamine)—
purified methamphetamine.

names.
Ice, meth, d-meth,
glass, crystal, shards,
frozen, batu, shabu.

what it looks like

Crystal—resembles
crushed ice, broken glass,
frosted glass. rock candy,
can be crushed into a white
powder for more even weighing


3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine.
(MDMA)

names

XTC, X, Ecstasy,
Adam, M & M,
eccy, E, Go,
Scooby Snacks,
hug, bea, lollies
what picture /colour it is;
or is stamped
into the top of the pill or cap.

what they look like

Tablet,
gel tab,
powder.















































 
ever heard of mothballs, or jet fuel than... I have even smelled a batch that smelled like apple cider vinegar.
 
^ Oh dear. Wow. Ok, some of what has been stated above requires some serious "tweaking" to clarify the mess left behind. I will come back tomorrow morning and give it my best shot, if someone else doesn't deal with it first. Ms Kitty, welcome to Bluelight.
 
sorry curious-kitty, floatingaround is correct.

99% of 'speed' in australia is cut up/impure meth. i doubt it is because of demand but rather as what floating said previously.
 
The only time you will find regular amphetamine in Australia is through Dexies ..... Everything else is Meth.

that's my life experience in 11 years of buying in Australia.
 
Curious_kitty:

I don't doubt that there is racemic methylamphetamine out there - ~ half dextro and half levo, or the "D" and the "L" for short. The D is what you want and the racemic product is bound to seem different than pure D.

If someone has benzaldehyde, phenylacetic acid or P2P then I guess they might be tempted to go the easy route and make racemic amphetamine; however, you can bet your bottom dollar that if they have gone to those lengths then they will source methylamine or nitromethane and make racemic methylamphetamine.

The vast majority of "speed", "rock", "gear", "ice", etc, etc, etc, is d-methylamphetamine in literally an infinite variety of purities and preparations; it is d-methylamphetamine because it is manufactured by reducing the corresponding enantiomer of pseudoephedrine or ephedrine.

I know someone who has seen thousands of lab test results produced for the purposes of criminal prosecutions and this person has only seen amphetamine (excluding when it is present as dexamphetamine in tablet form, something the lab reports always make the point of specifying) on maybe three or four occasions in the last 10 years.

I can recall two reported cases of large scale amphetamine manufacture in WA (although in reality the individual may have been intending to make meth anyway), whereas the vast majority of manufacturing cases, especially in recent times, always involve methylamphetamine.

Both of these cases are quite dated, which is another significant matter to consider:

WORTH -v- THE QUEEN [2001] WASCA 303 http://decisions.justice.wa.gov.au/...95BAEA52A48256ADF0027F628&action=openDocument

ABELA -v- THE QUEEN [2002] WASCA 279 http://decisions.justice.wa.gov.au/...A3517ECD448256C52001871EE&action=openDocument

Case closed. It has been this way for as long as I have been around.
 
are there any good/safe over-the-counter muscle relaxants i can take when on amps? my neck, shoulders, back, and hands can get so sore.
 
I have recently been doing so well iv gone from using as much as I want when ever I want (my ex sells it) I'm over what it's doing to me no life, no friends, loss of weight (looking shit) pretty much my world revolving around it I want change but I don't no if this is just an excuse but I feel I can't I won't say quit Coz that's a big thing to say but I'll say at least cut back take control again n not let it control me any more I started smoking it for a year n now have been. Injecting for 3 years now and pretty much shooting up every day at least once a day for the past year at least well lately iv been doing well n even have my days when. I can go without but over the last 3days have really been craving a mad shot I'm even to the point where I'm about to have a water shot I haven't done that in years I no at ur worst moment craving it to wait an hour n things r less hard for u n the cravings somewhat die Down I just don't no what to do I no there's nothing. Anyone can do for me unless they say here iv got a kill shot for u I guess I just need to let this out
 
Cutting back is a good first step - especially if you've had access to large amounts for a long time.

Sounds like you have a needle fetish, and personally I'd say that's got to be one of the first things you tackle in getting your use to a manageable level.
Have you considered seeking some kind of drug counselling?
A lot of people find these services really helpful - and in my experience, there are some great (free) state funded services out there (assuming you are in Australia?)
IMO it's worth looking into, even if you decide it's not for you.
 
$34 million to wean Victorian rural addicts off ice

The Napthine government will attempt to tackle the ice epidemic hitting Victoria with $34 million to boost drug and alcohol-support services.
The new government money, to be announced in the state budget on May 6 and to be paid over four years, will be targeted at Gippsland, the Grampians and the Hume region as well as outer-metropolitan suburbs.
Mental Health Minister Mary Wooldridge said the money would support services for an extra 2000 people a year in response to growing use of ice and other drugs.

The rapid spread of the methamphetamine has had a devastating impact on regional Victorian towns and some of Melbourne's outer suburbs. Last year senior police described the drug as the most harmful they had seen and health workers reported children as young as 12 were being exposed to it.

A Fairfax Media investigation in August found the criminal justice system, police, emergency service workers, drug and alcohol counsellors and public health specialists were reporting sharp increases in the use of methamphetamine over the past two years and were struggling to cope with its effects.

“What we are seeing is a significant growth in ice, particularly in rural areas," Ms Wooldridge said. “Ice use affects not only the user but their friends, families, workmates and the community.”

She said there had been a considerable rise in the number of ambulance call-outs and hospital admissions related to ice.

State Parliament is holding an inquiry into the supply and use of methamphetamines, particularly ice, and has taken evidence from around the state in recent months that paints a bleak picture of the drug’s impact on some communities.

It is due to report in August.

“The inquiry echoed concerns we are hearing across the state about the dangerous and devastating impact of ice on families and communities,” Ms Wooldridge said.

A new four-bed ward for mothers withdrawing from drug and alcohol addiction also will be funded in next week's budget, Ms Wooldridge said, allowing mothers to stay with their babies for the first time.

The four-bed unit, to be built next to an existing 14-bed adult withdrawal service in Heidelberg, could cater for about 100 new mothers each year.

The new unit will provide Victoria’s first new residential drug withdrawal beds in 14 years and is expected to open in 2016.

Ms Wooldridge said there were no residential programs in Victoria now to support mothers with their babies during drug withdrawal.

That left mothers to choose between residential withdrawal without their babies, or a home-based withdrawal program that may not provide the best setting for them to abstain from drugs or alcohol.

UnitingCare ReGen chief executive Laurence Alvis said his organisation proposed the $4 million unit after noticing a gap in services for drug and alcohol-addicted mothers with young babies.

Specialist services at major maternity hospitals provide care to women with substance abuse problems through pregnancy and birth, with 65 drug and alcohol-addicted women giving birth at the Royal Women’s Hospital last year.

Mr Alvis said the new unit would cater for women in the weeks and months after they gave birth, in situations where they had continued using drugs or alcohol while pregnant, or had stayed clean during pregnancy but ‘‘fallen back into old habits’’ afterwards.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/3...ian-rural-addicts-off-ice-20140427-zr09w.html
 
Wow! It's crazy how vastly different the purity of meth can be. Today I scored 1.5pts of big rocks and just has 2.5 large tokes (one tiny hit ) and I'm quite spun. I decided against IV ' IN first as I wanted to see how many hits it would take to feel something and was pleasantly surprised. Not sure about this stuff but 4-MAR has been mentioned & I think I possibly got some about 2 weeks ago but I think this is just top grade meth.

Usually I'd still be hovering over the pipe going through my stash but I'm satisfied :) if your going to mess with meth try it every 2-4 weeks instead of regularly and you will feel something close the that first experience instead of the high that feels far removed and not so nice compared to the ecstatic first time :)

Head Tingles :S
 
Here near the border we get large quantities of pretty much the best shards the cartel can offer, and for super duper cheap. I just don't like losing control hitting the pipe ..... It feels sooooo much better to just swallow a good chunk and drink Gatorade ..... It's the piccolo pipe that is the killer
 
Put in capsules and swallow you Aussie fiends!!! You ppl are crazy with your needles and shitt dirty Aussie crank
 
Scored a couple of points last night that a friend of a friend got me. As expected it was crushed to fine crystals and clear even tho it was crushed (usually looks white when crushed to granules)
Have been through a bit over a point since last night. This stuff is kind of weird, it's quite potent as I feel the effects after a couple of puffs but after the initial come on levels the high feels really sedating. I felt extremely calm and relaxed but at the same time felt awake, super sober and slightly euphoric. I managed to sleep at about 2am after having at 8pm and woke this morning at around 8am still feeling residual effects. We had a few more small bowls today an it made me, once again really calm, sedate and contempt and even had a bit of a nana nap but didn't go into complete unconsciousness. I think this stuff personally is pretty good. It doesn't wire me the fuck out, can still sleep but still get the jaw clenching, teeth grinding, huge pupils etc just no classic stimulant feelings. Feels more like MDMA once the peak levels out than regular meth I have had so so many times in the past.
Anyone else experience this kind of stuff before? I'm in Melbourne and the gear was sourced around the southeast/west area. Some of the little crystals looked like fine, tiny grains of rice and some were short cubic crystals all real tiny cos they were crushed (but not to powder)
 
^^I find the smoking can be very calming. Snorting or swallowing makes me feel like I can't sit still and am really stimulated, smoking and plugging depending on dose makes me alert and makes my mind stimulated but the body high can be somewhat sedating and IV is unexplainable. My brain has started repairing itself though and I'm feeling emotions that i haven't in a year so il be keeping it to special occasions.

I was going to switch to smoking but i always get sick. I only had just over a point and I've been coughing up horrible stuff. I'd never encourage injecting but it's the route that least affects my health. I just had a smoke then because i woke up about 3 and knew I'd be up most of the night and didn't feel like being depressed alone all night. I forgot my vitamins which is why the depression hit hard. I'm still sore though :(
 
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