Meth/Amphetamines: Serious Discussion Only

[Hannah Capps]

Everyday I take about 10 ephedrine pills that contain 25 mg of ephedrine...I get headaches all the time, pop the motren like its popcorn, and eat quiet a bit due to the motren and increased appetite with ephedrine...Yea it does suppress your hunger at first then you're famished...It hits you like a ton of bricks my weight went from borderline anorexia, 119 to 270 where I'm currently at...

 

[drug_wench]

So I'm wondering could this be the start of an Amphetamine addiction?
Should I try to only dose on days I will be going to the library to do school work and/or for studying?
Is that not possible and will I eventually need it everyday to feel normal?

Drugs I currently take daily:
Suboxone: 2mg sometimes 4mg
Klonopin: 2mg sometimes 4mg
and now,
Amphetamine Salts: 20mg

Is this a dangerous combo?
I really do feel like I have add. It's either that or I'm just really fucking lazy. I do think I'm lazy, but when you just don't feel motivated to do much of anything, everyday, something is wrong.

to answer all those questions:
-for some ppl, if ur not careful, yes that cud b the start of an amphetamine addiction....watch urself for cravings and feeling the need to take more than ur prescribed
-it is definitely possible (and a gd idea) to only dose on days u need to study, although if u do hav ADD, and the disorganisation/anxiety/racing thoughts/inattentiveness etc really bother u, i wudnt blame u for taking them evry day as long as u dont abuse them
-wat ur taking IMO is not a dangerous combo....some ppl wud argue that the suboxone mixed with a benzo is a dangerous combo, but uve obviously bn on both for awhile, and ive bn on suboxone and several benzos in the past, on higher doses of both (mind u i was in a detox so they were keeping an eye on me)....adding an amphetamine to the mixture shudnt b dangerous at all
as for querying whether u hav ADD, id see a psychiatrist about that - untreated ADD is hell
i was undiagnosed all thru school (mines actually mild ADHD but the hyperactivitys only mild, im more inattentive) and it really fucked with my self-esteem
if taking the amphetamines makes u 'high' u shud probly start on a lower dose, if using it to treat ADD - the point isnt to get high, its to help u feel like the rest of society (the ones who dont hav ADD)
im amazed that a doctor wud just put u on amphetamines to study - i cant imagine any doctor doing that here....they meticulously test u for AD(H)D or narcolepsy before even considering stimulant therapy, and theyll always put u on methylphenidate before anything amphetamine here
amphetamines hav pretty bad press in NZ mind u, cos weve got such a big problem with methamphetamine addiction
gd luck - its gd to see ur being cautious regarding the idea of addiction.....a lot of ppl wud just b like 'sweet, ive got speed, time to party'
hannah - weight gain is a big problem for long-term stimulant users
i put on 20kgs in 2 weeks never fail, evry time i got out of detox (mind u i needed that)
in the long-term they fuck with ur metabolism
since ive bn off dexamphetamine ive stayed at a steady weight of 55kg, which was wat i was on dexies - but ive hardly eaten a thing since the benzo withdrawals hav made me pretty nauseous
my friends paula and laura r both heavy meth-smokers and as their tolerance has grown theyve put on a lot of weight, ironic as it sounds
its a fact of life with stimulants
i think ur metabolism slowly goes back to normal wen u quit but dont quote me on that!

 

[Gerbee]

gerbee, god adderall must last a long time then if its IR - maybe u shud ask about switching to dexamphetamine? mine wears off 4 hrs later at the most

I took your advice and got some dextrostat. Wow, it's such a big difference for me. It really does wear off quick, and I am able to actually sleep now! Seems they are a bit weak compared to adderall though, I have to take 25-30 mg to get a good enough dose to keep me focused, anything lower than that and it doesn't help at all, as opposed to adderall where 20mg kept me going for a day straight. There are a significant decrease in side effects compared to adderall as well, no racing heart, heart palpitations, gitters, eye twitching, etc..
The only bad ones are loss of appetite and that inevitable comedown, I am able to get down protein shakes though, so I guess that's better than nothing. I will also get a little anxiety sometimes but I also have a scrip for xanax because I do have an anxiety disorder, I have never taken the two in combination, is that safe to do and will I notice any decrease in the effectiveness of the dex?
Thanks for the advice, I really appreciate it!

 

[gorgoroth]

I'm starting to feel like the only way i'll be happy is amphetamines, they've become a part of me i can't shed. I can't live with constant cravings, they never go away, either, they last for weeks and weeks and never end. My brain has to be fucked now, nothing can take that sort of abuse. This drug is god and the devil, heaven and hell. Meth....

 

[Gerbee]

^man, i couldn't imagine feeling that way towards amps.. how do you stand it!??
sure they are great while they are doin there job, but damn the comedown almost isnt even worth it. It seems like the comedown lasts twice as long as the time of "feel goodness", and feels twice as worse.
only amp thats really worth the comedown, if there even is one, has to be good ol' MDMA

Hey Drug Wench could you help me with the last part of my previous question about mixing dex and xan please

 

[Solipsis]

Don't know if flephedrone (4-FMC) qualifies as an amphetamine in this topic, more of a cathinone but its speedy enough...
well i hadnt done uppers besides MDMA and a try or 2 of ritalin until I got these samples of research chemicals recently.

, today I didnt go to work but instead dropped acid added with some hash weed and a couple of decent 4-FMC rails...
Man this stuff would be the hardest to describe not only in effect but also duration, I couldn't really say how long it lasts because it has this smooth quality that disguises the upness - also a very weird feature.
Anyways the acid was excellent and I feel has helped me understand that I need to intervene in my life and the spirals I keep falling into, my situation is frail as it is but I guess I'm facing some kind of anxiety disorder or something.

At this point I'm not sure if this is the most unwelcome crash of a research chemical, or that I'm just desperate for other reasons as it is.
This very moment I feel a buzz somewhere still going but it's been hours since I've been in a hollow and miserable state.
OK maybe I'm not used to a crash as much as the speed-freaks this threads meant for, but I hope this unsettling feeling will pass.
This has to be the moment I quit smoking pot and back down on the benzos - feel decent about myself again and not slowly self-destruct. I'm heading to the sanctuary of my parents this weekend, detox... and when I regain some physical (and mental) energy I'll have to treat myself with respect.
This is my chance to start getting it back on track, there have been less convincing attempts more from a moral feeling but I think if I just go smoke dope again next week (or even tomorrow, then I would be absolutely worthless) then I can't deny my helpless situation anymore.

Last chance to save myself in private, in a way

This is my acknowledgement of my dark side, not the first but I feel it is dire - soon I will discover if I have the backbone, character and discipline to do something with my life - at long last finish my college degree, my studies have been on ice for so long.
I have to face it: my freedom to party and use dope is spent, its been enough.
Now time will tell if I'm too messed up from tripping on every psychedelic imaginable, have ADD or Aspergers as a part of being 'highly sensitive', or if everything will balance out enough if i keep sober long enough.

I have to escape this haze

 

[Solipsis]

Whew I didnt go to work again, but at least I feel about normal again - not in a state of total panic. Still feeling the speediness though, there is something fishy about 4-FMC like it feels like a totally gentle stim but it's secretly fucking you up even long after what could be called a high subsides.
It was probably the acid too that precipitated these wake up call sensations but it was particularly harsh and obviously chemically imbalanced. Yesterday there was not a single thing I could think of I felt like doing, remotely planning on doing or not freak out about, man in all my experience this was a motherfucker of a dysphoria, though I have to say I thank it in a way... right now I feel neutral, sort of stationary but I couldn't forget how much I've been messing up things in my life and sabotaging my future.
Tonight I'm gonna visit my father 3 hrs away from here, I have about 5 days to seek shelter there and at my mothers'. There will be a lot of talking and I need to plan everything safely - making sure I don't take on too much responsibilities too fast while laying down some ground rules to not make the same mistakes again.

I know this has absolutely spiralled off topic, but nevertheless it involves an amph like stim and I needed to express what happened, is still happening and I hope will be a transformation of some sort.

 

[drug_wench]

Hey Drug Wench could you help me with the last part of my previous question about mixing dex and xan please

sorry gerbee - ive bn away
i think theyre safe to mix but im no doctor....and these days i dont even trust those
my suggestion wud b google it
id say its safe tho cos ive bn on clonazepam and dexamp at the same time before.....ive even bn on clonazepam and meth before, and all it did was calm me down
only thing id caution u about really is becoming reliant on benzos
gorgoroth - sorry i havnt bn here to support u if the cravings hav bn getting u down
meth cravings r so powerful wen u first come off theyre almost physical
i can remember spilling a sachet of sugar on the table wen i was having a coffee at a cafe wen i was a month or so off meth, and suddenly all i cud think of was how much those sugar crystals looked like P and how much i wanted to shoot up
powerful stuff
wat u need is support - if a family member cant provide this, if u wont try out a 12-step program or rehab, just at least keep coming back here
get it off ur chest
no ones going to judge u
and again i say the yrs of damage ive done to myself with speed/meth hav bn phenomenal but ive recovered in most ways with a bit of abstinence from the drug
the brain is an amazing thing
im going thru a meth craving stage atm for some reason i cant even fathom - ill figure it out im sure
maybe its being back in auckland again - but fuck u meth ur not going to win!

 

[wingnutlives]

Adderall

I am thinking of getting a prescription to adderall, but I am not sure if I would abuse it or not. I have gone on binges before where I've stayed up multiple nights in a row, but most of the time I just use a little bit at a time to help me study and organize things. It makes me calm and focused (I have been diagnosed ADD before) and REALLY helps me get work done. On the other hand, I have been trying not to depend on medication and adding one more to the mix seems hypocritical. Then again, I'm pretty sure I could use it one day a week instead of every day.

I don't know what I'll do... any suggestions from other ADD people?

 

[Madmike]

Why I used speed? Or why I got strongly addicted to it, to a point where I couldn't feel normal without a hit, in just three weeks?

Most pure euphoria I ever got was from amphetamines (IV) + alprazolam + weed.

I miss it, so far away such emotions to get while sober. Parachute jumping would be nice, but it has initial costs of 450 euros and then 20 euros per jump (2-5 kms high).

 

[wappedout]

i cant take speed lol as soon as that stuff starts to wear off i hit a MEGA comedown and cant even get outta my bed for a day or 2 lol.. i think iv took it about 3 times at the most its terrible lol not the drug for me

 

[drug_wench]

I am thinking of getting a prescription to adderall, but I am not sure if I would abuse it or not. I have gone on binges before where I've stayed up multiple nights in a row, but most of the time I just use a little bit at a time to help me study and organize things. It makes me calm and focused (I have been diagnosed ADD before) and REALLY helps me get work done. On the other hand, I have been trying not to depend on medication and adding one more to the mix seems hypocritical. Then again, I'm pretty sure I could use it one day a week instead of every day.

I don't know what I'll do... any suggestions from other ADD people?

i suggest if u feel ur going to abuse it, get it given to u by daily pick-up or get someone u trust to look after the pills for u
if u hav ADD, u probly hav anxiety/depression and taking a med will control all these things plus help u develop the tools for dealing with life med-free (i dont believe any of us shud stay on our meds forever - theyre for teaching us to manage our lives as a person with AD/H/D, a tool like i say)
on the other hand the main thing i wud wory about with u, wingnut, is that rather than getting addicted to the adderall u tend to suffer from paranoia right? cos even ppl with AD(H)D can suffer from paranoia on even medicinal amphetamine doses.....i know i cant take dexamphetamine if i havnt had a proper nights sleep beforehand for instance (i hav suffered from paranoia.....now fairly mild but definitely still there.....since the meth days)
remember also if u dont want to go the medication route there r many other alternative ways of helping ur brain combat ADD symptoms - lots of B vitamins, fish oil, methionine, tyrosine and deer velvet r all helpful
theres also always the feingold diet etc but a mate of mine went on that as a kid and it did shit all - still if ur interested u cud google it

 

[Dunno]

Got a bit of smokeable speed...it melts perfectly but burns way too quickly compared to other speed. Any ideas on why this is? Cutting agents maybe? or the way it's been cooked?

 

[drug_wench]

again this is more a question for OD
wen u say speed do u mean amphetamine or methamphetamine?
ive never smoked speed as in amphetamine although ive bn told my pots bn laced with it in the past
the way u describe the melting u make it sound like methamphetamine
if so, then it cud b either - cooking method or cutting agents
again i suggest u ask this question in OD

 

[Scarletta]

I noticed in this thread for the first time in the forums that someone finds Dexedrine to be less stimulating or effective than Adderall and has to actually take more Dexedrine than he did Adderall. This is what has happened to me as well. I am surprised because everyone says that Dexedrine is like 1.5 times stronger than Adderall. Are there any others who like me, find that the dose of Dexedrine actually has to be higher than the Adderall dose to do any good?

 

[panic in paradise]

depends on the individual, no dosage recommendations are allowed here.

except, less is more, thats my advice.

 

[claire22]

i have been an addict for 6 yrs now
i wish i never started
i cant feel normal without it anymore.
but my teeth are still perfect? is that normal? lol

 

[claire22]

how the fuck do i get off this shit properly..its killing me.

 

[gorgoroth]

2 weeks meth-free now

 

[eon_blue]

how the fuck do i get off this shit properly..its killing me.

I highly (can't stress it enough) suggest inpatient rehabilitation if you want to get clean off of a 6 year speed habit.

Breaking a 6 year cycle of addiction to anything, let alone meth, is damn near impossible. At least with (inpatient) rehab you're made to stay clean for the first month (or however long you choose to stay), and you can get that clean "kickstart", which is the hardest part for people to do by themselves.