Meth/Amphetamines: Serious Discussion Only

[wingnutlives]

I smoke meth once every week during the weekends to get caught up on homework and studying for college. WIll this catch up to me and effect be worse and worse like E does? I just want to be able to smoke about once a week or once every 2 weeks. I dont want to just not smoke anymore. But if smokin it once a week causes damage too fast I dont want to keep doing this. I dont want to find out myself either so I want to know if anyone been through this or know the answer.

If I were you I would eat it (or parachute) instead of smoking or snorting it, because digested it will do less damage to you physically. I've never done meth myself, but I've heard you can get a good effect just by eating it (probably not any rush, but you don't need a rush to study)

 

[wingnutlives]

Insomnia on adderall

I'm wondering what people who take adderall (or any amphetamine) do to ensure a good night's rest after use. I've tried taking my seroquel but its sedating effects have gone away after use, so I end up waking up after four hours or so and not being able to get back to sleep. I'd like to take adderall and still get a good rest afterwards... any recommendations on ways to take it or things to try?

I hope this is the right thread to post this...

 

[Gerbee]

^^ god, ive been looking for a solution to that problem for ages. I am prescribed 20mg instant release adderall and even if I take it at 8am I still will not be able to sleep that night.. Ive tried xanax and that doesn't even help me.. i get very tired but just can't close my eyes.

 

[aoe2junkie]

^xanax was what my doc prescribed for me to knock me out at night but i have long stopped seeing that doc to avoid prescription amphetamines (dexedrine) i used to be prescribed 400 of those 5mg fuckers a month!!!!

and now 10 months after quitting speed i find myself smoking meth again....
i dont stay up for days like i used to, i always stop after 2pm and try to only do it 3 times a week in nonconsecutive days

but its so hard to put the crack pipe down............

 

[aoe2junkie]

^^ god, ive been looking for a solution to that problem for ages. I am prescribed 20mg instant release adderall and even if I take it at 8am I still will not be able to sleep that night.. Ive tried xanax and that doesn't even help me.. i get very tired but just can't close my eyes.

xanax and a beer or 2

 

[aoe2junkie]

I smoke meth once every week during the weekends to get caught up on homework and studying for college. WIll this catch up to me and effect be worse and worse like E does? I just want to be able to smoke about once a week or once every 2 weeks. I dont want to just not smoke anymore. But if smokin it once a week causes damage too fast I dont want to keep doing this. I dont want to find out myself either so I want to know if anyone been through this or know the answer.

unlike E, as long as your meth is mostly untampered product, you will get high every time

 

[IntergalacticMagic]

On a scale of 1-10 how does Crystal Meth, Amphetamine, and Cocaine compare to each other for stimulation?

Do they feel the same but act like higher doses of each other? What about smoking vs shooting vs eating vs snorting? Also, people are usually prescribed anywhere from 10-90 mgs a day of amphetamine from their doctor. How much do tweakers use? Do people really use 1000mgs of crystal meth in one day?

I've done cocaine and regular amphetamine. Cocaine stimulation varies a lot, but when I had good coke it was much more powerful than a 30mg of amphetamine.

 

[drug_wench]

gerbee, god adderall must last a long time then if its IR - maybe u shud ask about switching to dexamphetamine? mine wears off 4 hrs later at the most
bluenakedlady - i know very few ppl who smoke (or use in any way) meth and manage to stick to weekends
my brother and a couple of his flatmates do but they havnt bn using long - and none of them look that healthy (they take a lot of E, drink and smoke a lot of pot daily mind u)
long-term i hav no idea wat controlled meth use wud do to u - but as wingnut said, if ur planning on keeping it up long-term, ur best not to keep on smoking it
methamphetamine is highly acidic - it can actually burn holes in ur lungs and cause fluid to build up in ur lungs if used long-term (u might b familiar with the meth-smoker cough, which after awhile gets painful)
and yea, the best form of harm reduction wud b to put it in a capsule and swallow it, or parachute it
u might even still get a rush from parachuting it
wingnut - regarding getting sleep - any amphetamine binges r going to cause sleep-deprivation.....u know that
the only way to minimise harm from this is to make sure u dont stay up too many nights
dont ever b tempted to turn to downers to combat the need to sleep is all i can say - just let urself go thru the comedown and if u cant take the comedown dont take the adderall!
again i say there r shorter-lasting stimulants if ur only wanting to b high during one day or something
r u prescribed adderall? cos, no offense intended but i gathered from some of ur other posts that u can tend towards anxiety and paranoia - if so, amphetamines might b a class of drug to avoid!
and yes, ur posting in the right place

 

[drug_wench]

On a scale of 1-10 how does Crystal Meth, Amphetamine, and Cocaine compare to each other for stimulation?

Do they feel the same but act like higher doses of each other? What about smoking vs shooting vs eating vs snorting? Also, people are usually prescribed anywhere from 10-90 mgs a day of amphetamine from their doctor. How much do tweakers use? Do people really use 1000mgs of crystal meth in one day?

I've done cocaine and regular amphetamine. Cocaine stimulation varies a lot, but when I had good coke it was much more powerful than a 30mg of amphetamine.

IME they varied - ive never had gd coke but it definitely felt like a diffrent high to anything amphetamine.....more sensual or something
amphetamine (well dexamphetamine....ive never had adderall or anything) makes me feel completely normal but then im ADHD - if i take more than 30mg at a time i feel speedy and thats it......just like a few too many red bulls.....a bit euphoric i guess
methamphetamine has an additional rush which i wud describe as almost 'enlightening' - i used to feel really pseudo-philosophical, smart and witty on it....and its about 10X (at least) as potent as dexamphetamine
it varies how much a tweaker uses - depends how far into the addiction (if theyre addicted) they r i guess
yes ppl use 1000mgs of meth in a day - and more
towards the end of my addiction if i actually wanted to get 'high' as such i had to go thru up to 4gms in a day

 

[wingnutlives]

wingnut - regarding getting sleep - any amphetamine binges r going to cause sleep-deprivation.....u know that
the only way to minimise harm from this is to make sure u dont stay up too many nights
dont ever b tempted to turn to downers to combat the need to sleep is all i can say - just let urself go thru the comedown and if u cant take the comedown dont take the adderall!
again i say there r shorter-lasting stimulants if ur only wanting to b high during one day or something
r u prescribed adderall? cos, no offense intended but i gathered from some of ur other posts that u can tend towards anxiety and paranoia - if so, amphetamines might b a class of drug to avoid!
and yes, ur posting in the right place

Yeah I do know it causes sleep-deprivation, but I can't get to sleep for hours after it wears off, which is annoying. I'm not prescribed adderall but I get it from time to time to help me study and organize my life. Unfortunately I tend to binge on it because I have SO much to do and so little time (it seems). A shorter-lasting stimulant would be much better, but I found coke to be a waste of money for things like studying.

 

[drug_wench]

wingnut - yea i was more thinking dexies (IR - last about 3-4hrs) rather than coke
try to go easy on the amphetamine use tho - in the end itll only make it harder to study cos ull find urself getting fried in the brain, then its hard to think straight
if u can keep to the odd dose wen u need it here and there, cool, but if it starts to become a craving or a regular thing.....well then uve got to deal with it before it deals with u
yea the sleeplessness wen amphetamines wear off.....well i dont get that with dexies but i sure got it with meth which really is a long-lasting stimulant ( can b a gd 12 hrs before u drop off after dosing once if u dont hav a tolerance)
me and my friend alisha used to call it 'purgatory' - its like ur not high but ur brains still tweaked.....u can feel quite tired in the body at this stage, hence the term 'purgatory', caught between the world of 'needing sleep' and 'not needing it' (as far as ur brains concerned)
yea its a pain in the ass ill give u that, but the only obvious answer is a sedative of some kind and those r not to b played around with
evrything comes with its gd and bad effects - adderall helps u study but it fucks with ur sleep
weigh up the pros and cons i guess
edit - as a side note, hav u ever tried a few cans of energy drinks/caffeine pills before study, or even nicotine patches? weaker than speed, ill give u that, but thats wat my friends at uni do, as most of them r recovering meth addicts and wont touch anything amphetamine, apart from 2 of them who r on dexies for ADHD (and they still do the old caffeine trick)

 

[IntergalacticMagic]

Wingnut,

Its been said before but with any lingering amphetamine in your body sleep isn't going to happen naturally. This is the main problem with uppers and usually gets documented as the 'Amphetamine Cycle', which predicts you to be so tired by the time of your commitments that you will reach for amphetamine just to combat fatigue... repeat?

I know how you feel. I was there Sophomore year.

Sleep aids are pretty easy to score from doctors, especially if your a college student and say you rely on drinking coffee. I was given Ambien and it does a great job knocking you out. I'm not sure if this kinda advice is condoned by Bluelight, but the truth is you will need a pretty powerful chemical to override amphetamine and only doctors have them. Otherwise its back to the cocaine sleep remedy, take 2-3 shots of alcohol, smoke a joint, and think "Its got to get better in a little while".

 

[drug_wench]

Its been said before but with any lingering amphetamine in your body sleep isn't going to happen naturally. This is the main problem with uppers and usually gets documented as the 'Amphetamine Cycle', which predicts you to be so tired by the time of your commitments that you will reach for amphetamine just to combat fatigue... repeat?

well said
although, like i say dexamphetamine is relatively short-acting with a relatively quick comedown
i wud still say caffeine wud b a much safer recommendation
esp as i read on another of ur (wingnut) posts that uve bn up 4 days - ur binging, not just taking one in the morning for study
trust me, this can end up with u in some serious shit
and again i say i worry about ur mental state, being an anxious, paranoid type - u may hav noticed the adderall has increased these effects......u do not ever want to experience amphetamine psychosis, trust me!
so like i say.....pros and cons.....

 

[wingnutlives]

Gotcha... I am lucky to never have a consistant supply of anything, so my binging hasn't led to anything else (except with opiates earlier in the year)... It's true, I am anxious, but amphs actually calm me down and make me focus, hence all the studying.

Oh yeah I drink coffee too! My first and favorite drug ever

 

[Dxmmonster]

hey yall, hope you guys are doing good and keepin it non-psychotic.

havnt been to The DS for a long time...
Which I guess can be considerd a good thing, but recently I'v been slipping down, down and down.
I thought I should check in here and get some advice from you lovely PPL.

It's not amphetamines but it's Ritalin.
Iv been abusing my script alot lately.
85pills are supose to last for a month, but lately they only last for less than 15days.

60-100mgs a day is easy to blow. every single pill goes up my nose.
I dont like it but once I start I cant STOP!
I can say "OK! Today I'm only gonna take 30mgs" but it never works...
30 turns into 60, and when I crash lot's of beer is involved... Finally when I'm intoxicated, my brain makes up fcukin stupid reasons for me to use even more ritalin.

The longest I can stay clean is a day. the second day the cravings take over and I start with my depressed-fuck-all-get-high-and-tweaked-out cycle again.
The only way I could stop is either 1.Run out of ritalin or 2.get out of town and leave my ritalin at home.

I can see what these "binges" are doing to me but still the urge to get high is too strong... and once I start, I cant stop.
now my sleeping patterns are fucked, I only eat 1 decent meal a day and alcohol has become a daily thing(5-10 600ml bottles of beer).

last friday I took E (a REALLY strong pill) and snorted a shit load of rit through out the night. and while I was coming down I started to think about my drug use and the negative effects it has caused.
it really got me depressed as fuCK.

I guess the reason I'm here is just to vent and maybe get some nice and supportive comments.
advice is apreciated.

Hope your doing well DW, you helped me out alot b4.

 

[hamonz]

i know this is kina off topic (not really) but
how do you smoke meth?
i heard that you dont inhale it
so you just hold it in your mouth?
and for how long?

 

[drug_wench]

^id feel morally wrong telling u how to smoke meth tbh, all ill say is its not so much smoking as vapourising.....its certainly diffrent to smoking weed or tobacco
if u want more info on how to use drugs i suggest u try OD
wingnut - amphetamines make u calm huh? im not a psychiatrist but that sounds awfully fucking familiar, since thats wat they do for me too (at a certain dose of course)......u might consider talking to a psychiatrist about this cos its actually one of the major symptoms of AD(H)D
DXM - gd to see u back mate....and i think we can count ritalin, its fairly amphetamine-like
yea once something like that gets a hold on u slowing down or stopping can b virtually impossible without a bit of assistance
do u want help? do u want to stop taking ritalin (or at least try and minimise ur use?) is it prescribed to u? cos if it is, often its a gd idea to get someone else to look after the pills for u to make sure u get the dose u need rather than a dose ur going to tweak on

 

[BlueNakedLady]

I get headaches days after i smoke meth. Is my blood vessles in my brain clogging up or something? I keep thinking im bout to get a stroke or something. And as might know Im sticking to a plan to smoke once(twice) a week. If I stick to this plan, will my vessels keep getting fucked up over time and one day I just POP my brains out?

Family history: Bad history of strokes, my dad had one, and his brother(s).
I smoke ciggs bout 10 a day for bout 3 years. I really just want to stop cause thats how my dad had the stroke. Its just i love smoking right now and quitting takes that aways. Im scared in the future I might have a stroke from my arteries clogging up from nicotein.

 

[drug_wench]

methamphetamine will give u a stroke faster than nicotine, trust me
the headaches rnt necessarily a sign ur going to hav a stroke - id b keeping a watch on ur blood pressure tho if ur worried
headaches during meth use and during the comedown r common - i used to get them all the time
one of the reasons i took up opiates

 

[beachsidefl321]

I went to my monthly Suboxone Dr. appt. yesterday and pretty much just asked him to prescribe me me Adderall so I can focus and get shit done for school (I'm a huge procrastinator when it comes to my school work). It's my last semester at the community college here, so If I pass all of my classes I transfer to a University in January. Getting accepted to this University is VERY important to me. It's my ticket out of this small town that I was born and raised in and inside I'm basically screaming get me the fuck out of here on almost a daily basis.

So the Dr. writes the script without much hesitation (really surprised me) and now I am prescribed 2 20mg tabs of Amphetamine salts a day as of yesterday.
I decided to probably just take one a day and see how that goes.

(Amphetamine Aspartene 5 mg, Amphetamine Sulfate 5 mg, Dextroamphetamine Saccharate 5 mg, Dextroamphetamine Sulfate 5 mg)

So today is my second day, just took a 20mg tab after eating breakfast so I'm not really feeling it too much yet. (I read I should probably dose after meals so I don't skip any??) Though I did take the first one yesterday on an empty stomach and I def. not only felt more motivated and alert but for a short period I did feel a sort of euphoric feeling...

So I'm wondering could this be the start of an Amphetamine addiction?
Should I try to only dose on days I will be going to the library to do school work and/or for studying?
Is that not possible and will I eventually need it everyday to feel normal?

Drugs I currently take daily:
Suboxone: 2mg sometimes 4mg
Klonopin: 2mg sometimes 4mg
and now,
Amphetamine Salts: 20mg

Is this a dangerous combo?

And are these tabs I was prescribed really the equivalent to 20mg of Adderall?


*****UPDATE
I didn't reallt get the feeling that I did yesterday. I actually went to sleep at around 2, but the past few nights I haven't been getting enough sleep... so I guess I'll have to do more experimenting. I took another 20mg tab just now on an empty stomach - see what that does.

I really do feel like I have add. It's either that or I'm just really fucking lazy. I do think I'm lazy, but when you just don't feel motivated to do much of anything, everyday, something is wrong.