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Just got my Adderall script earlier today n already im comin off 130mg of it -_- fucking horrible. Im learning this is a terrible drug to abuse over time, nasty. I can hear it laughin in my face. Idk how to use it theraputically......when i love usin it recreationally :/ I need to stop it.
 
Just got my Adderall script earlier today n already im comin off 130mg of it -_- fucking horrible. Im learning this is a terrible drug to abuse over time, nasty. I can hear it laughin in my face. Idk how to use it theraputically......when i love usin it recreationally :/ I need to stop it.
You get used to the comedowns after a while, used to abuse Adderalls like candy...now just pure ice.
 
Just got my Adderall script earlier today n already im comin off 130mg of it -_- fucking horrible. Im learning this is a terrible drug to abuse over time, nasty. I can hear it laughin in my face. Idk how to use it theraputically......when i love usin it recreationally :/ I need to stop it.

All stimulants can be like this, and hence they are best left alone.
 
I recently posted in this thread about my mate who was sliding the slippery shard slope. So last week I lent him $50. He promised to pay me back later that night. Haven't heard from him since. I really want to be the better man and show him my support but this is really getting too much. I know it's not a lot of money but I really needed that money and told him so. It really shits me how he'll shake my hand and talk all about loyalty and then pull some shit like that. He's cutting off all his decent friends but treats his junkie mates like fucking royalty. I've tried to get in contact with him all week and he still isn't returning my calls. If he was just upfront about it and said he didn't have the money I wouldn't be so mad but I just feel used. After driving him around, getting him food to make sure he's at least eating and calling up to check if he's alright he treats me like a sack of shit.

Logically I know it's probably just the fact he's on drugs is the reason he's like this but I'm honestly questioning whether he just always has seen me as some sort of resource that is useful to him. I'm not sure what to do but a part of me is thinking to just sever this friendship. This probably sounds bad but I really want to know if he at least feels bad for doing this. I know you're meant to help your mates when their on the ground but I'm over being treated like a doormat that he can just step on all the time. I'm going to keep trying to get in contact with him (have to put the phone on private because he doesn't return calls from my number) to at least see what the go is. He's turning into such a dog cunt.
 
I had almost three weeks clean. Things were coming together- I was catching up with school, even making progress cleaning my room! Then I got a larger amount than I ever have - why??

Trying not to get down on myself. I think this round has definitely made me understand how LAME this shit can get - high expectations, still plenty of tolerance, while also trying to use less in each session - not an ideal combination for fun. I also had a few emotionally draining interactions that under sober conditions i know I can handle.

I dont know what im doing. I always use alone. I am almost always alone anyway. Im making sure to eat, drink water, and not do the "just one more hit..." thing too frequently....but shit. I was feeling something close to contentment and I threw it away for a vapor cloud and a chewed up tongue.
 
Don't get too down about it iliketoast. Just the fact that you're aware that this shit is terrible is a great sign. Even though you got back on that doesn't take away the 3 weeks clean you had. Work towards beating that 3 weeks. Stay strong!
 
I had almost three weeks clean. Things were coming together- I was catching up with school, even making progress cleaning my room! Then I got a larger amount than I ever have - why??

Trying not to get down on myself. I think this round has definitely made me understand how LAME this shit can get - high expectations, still plenty of tolerance, while also trying to use less in each session - not an ideal combination for fun. I also had a few emotionally draining interactions that under sober conditions i know I can handle.

I dont know what im doing. I always use alone. I am almost always alone anyway. Im making sure to eat, drink water, and not do the "just one more hit..." thing too frequently....but shit. I was feeling something close to contentment and I threw it away for a vapor cloud and a chewed up tongue.

iliketoast, I agree with another poster that the very fact that you're cognizant of the terrible (and, oftentimes, the frustratingly futille) effect(s) that using has on your life indicates that you're most definitely not beyond redemption.

Allowing yourself to get caught up in the trap of beating yourself over the head due to a relapse is one I've found myself caught in many times over the course of my life. The script seems to always be the same, doesn't it? Negative self-depiction, rumination over the fleeting sucessful feelings that sobriety brought with it, and rightfully wondering, "Do I have it in me to get there again?"

You do, and you CAN!
My suggestion is to simply stick around these forums and allow yourself to absorb from those around you every bit of empathy you find coming your way. It is through each other that we discover within ourselves the capacity to rebound from relapse, turning chaos into solidarity.

I have faith in you.
<3
~ Vaya
 
I had almost three weeks clean. Things were coming together- I was catching up with school, even making progress cleaning my room! Then I got a larger amount than I ever have - why??

Trying not to get down on myself. I think this round has definitely made me understand how LAME this shit can get - high expectations, still plenty of tolerance, while also trying to use less in each session - not an ideal combination for fun. I also had a few emotionally draining interactions that under sober conditions i know I can handle.

I dont know what im doing. I always use alone. I am almost always alone anyway. Im making sure to eat, drink water, and not do the "just one more hit..." thing too frequently....but shit. I was feeling something close to contentment and I threw it away for a vapor cloud and a chewed up tongue.

^ trust me, whatever amount you got, it's just a small hurdle. You can return to being clean just as quickly as it took you to relapse.

And don't feel ashamed or bad at all, just realize life is a constant learning experience. :)
 
@iliketoast

Read my last post, I had just one slip with one addy pill last week and I've been able to abstain since then. In my personal opinion, keeping track of "clean time" is a double edged sword. It's great for motivation to stay clean but once you break it even once you feel as if you're starting over again, so why not just jump right back into the cycle, right? Somebody made a post earlier in this thread about keeping track of TOTAL clean time, even with small relapses. So if you're three weeks in and you slip for a week or so and kick again, you'll be at 4 weeks clean in another week.

I'm struggling real bad right now myself. I mentioned before my poppy tea habit and not using enough for W/D...boy I was wrong. It's making me want to get back on the adderall. I've been dope sick a couple of times before and doing it with adderall made it almost...amusing? I've actually been able to sleep through most of it so far but when I wake up, I want to die. The feelings of hopelessness I was getting in my final days on amphetamine are back in full swing and it's really starting to eat at me. I was 4 days clean from that tonight and I took a smaller dosage just to get me through the next couple of days. The funny thing was that I was so unmotivated that even the thought of scoring was extremely taxing. The physical symptoms aren't even that bad but the depression, my god....I'm really starting to feel like I don't want to do this whole living thing anymore. I can't believe I've let this become my life after growing up seeing what drugs have done to my father (mostly heroin). I so desperately want to go back to being 20 again before I really started drinking just so I can be free. I FUCKING HATE drugs. I'd do anything to get a second chance with them. Hopefully I make it through this soon and I can go back to living normal.
 
GoronusMaximus I'm really sad to hear of your recent troubles but please stay strong! You might not be able to go back to being 20 but you can have a second chance now by avoiding the drugs! I think it was good you were unmotivated in even scoring again because is reinforcing what a terrible lifestyle it is just relying on drugs. Think of how much better it is compared to being excited about scoring. It seems to be you're at a stage that you really do want to give this shit up and are ready to. Over time you will slowly start feeling 'normal' and things won't seem so dull but just hang in here. Take care.
 
yes the comedowns are nasty...i never found them to go away; they jst get worse and psychosis becomes the norm.

That said I have never been able to find something to replace the amp rush.

I drink all day to stay numb but it is not my first choice at all...just to get by

One alternative could be ritalin which is boring in comparison but potentially usefull if your priority is to avoid amphetamines and you are concerned about caving
 
GoronusMaximus I'm really sad to hear of your recent troubles but please stay strong! You might not be able to go back to being 20 but you can have a second chance now by avoiding the drugs! I think it was good you were unmotivated in even scoring again because is reinforcing what a terrible lifestyle it is just relying on drugs. Think of how much better it is compared to being excited about scoring. It seems to be you're at a stage that you really do want to give this shit up and are ready to. Over time you will slowly start feeling 'normal' and things won't seem so dull but just hang in here. Take care.

Thank you for the encouragement. I know what I have to do and I know that it will get better but in the cycle of addiction, there is a disconnect from these thoughts and our actual actions. I've done plenty of research to understand the brain mechanisms behind this and it makes it all that much more terrifying.

I'm feeling mostly "ok" right now but that's because of my poppy tea dosage earlier in the day. I initially picked this habit up as a way to deal with amphetamine withdrawals and generally have never mixed the two drugs together. I've gotten a couple of lovely highs off of it but it's mostly never given me that effect. I suppose it's mostly been a thing to make me feel better and to smile a bit. I've done amphetamine withdrawal enough times to be well educated on what to expect but being dope sick is an entirely different monster. At this point, I'm primarily using just to avoid it with hope that I can taper down to a more manageable withdrawal. As I stated before, I've made it through while using amphetamines to an extent where the effects were the same but my perception of them was far less severe.

I've really just become upset with how all of this has ended up. I started using amphetamines because I thought they would improve my life (as treatment for symptoms of ADHD) but my addictive personality made it impossible for me to use them responsibly once the "magic" wore off and their initial positive effects turned into very negative ones. This led me into an entirely new culture of drug abuse. I've been an alcoholic since I was 20 (but have stopped drinking a little while back) but my experiences with drugs before amphetamines were rather limited. I've desperately been searching for something to replace them now, to find a little more luster and excitement in life again. One thing is for certain, if I do not get off of this train and recover soon, the repercussions will be severe and permanent. My wife has no idea about my opiate habit (nor does anyone else) but I did do my best to let her know of my problems with amphetamine. During the down phases of not using, I really hate the person that I have become. This time last year, I'd found out that I was going to be a father and everything about my future was so exciting. A lot of the time now, I don't even feel like I have a future. I know where I have to go but I feel like I'm missing some type of key element to make my recovery more attainable. I've been considering going back to a doctor to see if going on a new (one that can't be abused) medication like an anti-depressant could be helpful. Sometimes too, I feel like I really just need to "man up" and fight a little bit harder. My inability to weigh short-term rewards against long-term ones is part of the problem that got me here in the first place though.

I apologize for all of the rambling that comes across as "whining" but I've found these forums as a good place to get some stuff off my chest and to be free of judgement. Despite my depression muddled and despair filled writings, I do feel like I am making progress and am just engaging in the process to get cleaned up again. I am very thankful for the encouragement that I have received and wanted to let those of you who have taken the time to read and reply to me that I deeply appreciate it.
 
GoronusMaximus how long have you been using meth for? I'm 22 and have tried quite a few drugs but draw the line at meth. It just seems to be such a popular drug here in Sydney (at least with a lot of the people I associate) and the fact you can just keep going and going combined with my addictive personality it would be a terrible combination.

[NOTE: Mods if any of the following questions are regarded as triggering content please remove - I don't mean to cause trouble, am just curious]

Also what is the comedown like? I've has shit comedowns after a bender of e pills, ritalin, cocaine, alcohol where I just felt zombied out like crazy for a good few days after. No appetite or interest in anything. I understand that serotonin decreases from using amp's, hence the saying "what goes up must come down" but it seems that meth depletes these severely which is why the high is so good. What do you think it is about meth withdrawal that makes it particularly bad?

One thing that's struck me about meth users is that they come from allwalks of life. I suppose you could say that about any drug but here in Sydney it seems to be so prevalent across all boards. I could be very wrong about this but I've got the impression that in the United States it is more popular in the rural areas/outer cities because crack is more popular inner city? Is this incorrect?

Sorry for all the questions. Usually I'm pretty happy to play the guinea pig and get a first hand experience but I don't know, meth just seems to good.
 
Coming down from something like mdma, I usually feel back to my normal self within 24-30 hours (give or take)..
But meth on the other hand has made me suffer for many days after.. I'm never actually sure when the shit would completely wear off.
For me the worst of it is the psychological effects.
I will completely lose touch with everybody, everything, my self and my abilities.. All I'd feel is deep anxiety.. I'd get pretty nervous & avoid heaps of people throughout this time.
I also tend to look physically ill for a week, and it kills my immune system every time.
 
GM - thanks for giving me a new angle...I had a huge problem with alcohol right around 20 - and then I was completely sober for a year.

It's been barely a week and I went through what I got and want more. "I wasn't ready to be done!"
I don't know. Maybe I'll just have to be ready.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to fail at least one, if not both, of my classes. I'm not even brave enough to go to the school and talk to an advisor right now. I have this thought in my head that if I just get "a little more" I can kick out all the work I've put off in a night or two and be done. But of course, Id probably get so high I couldn't do anything but lay down and stare at the inside of my head.

Coming off of meth sucks booty. TIRED. Extremely self-conscious and low in confidence, especially when interacting with other people. I get mad sugar cravings, which lead me to stacks of cookies and croissants, and eating all that just makes everything worse. There's an overall dullness and emptiness, but like tripnotyzm said - deep anxiety. It runs through everything. I remember the first time I tried this shit, I said "Everything is so SHINY." Well. Now things don't get shiny, high or not.

I never like to generalize about anything, drug use included...I'm from an upper middle class family, dad's a doctor, went to church and private schools growing up...although how many terrible tales have you heard about a kid from that kind of upbringing suddenly unleashed into the world? Blech.

I have to go to work and pretend to be happy now.
 
GoronusMaximus how long have you been using meth for? I'm 22 and have tried quite a few drugs but draw the line at meth. It just seems to be such a popular drug here in Sydney (at least with a lot of the people I associate) and the fact you can just keep going and going combined with my addictive personality it would be a terrible combination.

[NOTE: Mods if any of the following questions are regarded as triggering content please remove - I don't mean to cause trouble, am just curious]

Also what is the comedown like? I've has shit comedowns after a bender of e pills, ritalin, cocaine, alcohol where I just felt zombied out like crazy for a good few days after. No appetite or interest in anything. I understand that serotonin decreases from using amp's, hence the saying "what goes up must come down" but it seems that meth depletes these severely which is why the high is so good. What do you think it is about meth withdrawal that makes it particularly bad?

One thing that's struck me about meth users is that they come from allwalks of life. I suppose you could say that about any drug but here in Sydney it seems to be so prevalent across all boards. I could be very wrong about this but I've got the impression that in the United States it is more popular in the rural areas/outer cities because crack is more popular inner city? Is this incorrect?

Sorry for all the questions. Usually I'm pretty happy to play the guinea pig and get a first hand experience but I don't know, meth just seems to good.

I've never actually used methamphetamine before. My addiction is/was to prescription amphetamines (mostly Adderall). While the brain action is somewhat different (adderall/dextroamphetamine releasing/blocking uptake of more norepinephrine and methamphetamine releasing/blocking uptake of more serotonin) my understanding is that the end result is quite similar. My initial withdrawal and my struggle with PAWS is mostly due to the length of my usage (1 year, though with a lot of breaks) and also from rebound symptoms of what I was initially prescribed amphetamine for treatment. The withdrawal is just...boredom, anxiety, feeling alone, unmotivated, and having no energy. It makes it very difficult to have any appreciation for things in your life such as in relationships, hobbies, etc. One of the worst parts for me has been the up and down cycle as my brain is continuing to adjust. One day I'll feel like superman and in love with everything and a couple of days later I'll feel broken, socially withdrawn, and extremely exhausted. There's also the consideration of personality changes that resulted from prior usage. I'm fully confident I can recover from my usage but I will never be able to forget those days of paranoia, anxiety, and hopeless despair/depression. As bad as withdrawal/PAWS has been, my emotional state of mind during the end of my last run was far far worse. Keep in mind that this is also heavily affected by dosage, length of usage, dependence, etc. When I first started abusing amphetamine (even after heroic dosages), the come downs were mostly non existent (concerning negative effects anyway) but withdrawal would still be present after a week or so of mild-heavy abuse.

As far as methamphetamine in the United States, it really depends on what area of the country you're talking about. Out West and in some Southern states, it'll be prevalent in both rural areas and urban areas. Where I'm from (the general Philadelphia area), it's not easy to get. The police do break up meth rings out of Northeast Philadelphia from time to time but my understanding is that the meth in this area is generally of high purity and comes from labs in Mexico. They do have a problem with meth cooks in the northern part of the state (which is rural). In more meth infested areas, you'll get a lot more product that was cooked/synthed by local chemists/cooks (but still some stuff from Mexico).

Crack isn't as popular of a drug here as an outsider may think. In the 80's and 90's, it swept across the US and destroyed a lot of cities with huge crime epidemics. The only crack cocaine users I see around here are generally people that were pretty poor/destitute to begin with. Heroin is making a strong come back in this area and prescription pain medication (opiates) is becoming a prime drug market as well. When it comes to stims, most people I know still stick with regular cocaine. If I were in the mind to score, coke would be the only easy stim to come upon. I know a lot more regular dope users than I do stimulant users though.

(I apologize if I drifted off too far off topic in an effort to answer Eric's questions. Please edit my post if needed and I will PM him.)

GM - thanks for giving me a new angle...I had a huge problem with alcohol right around 20 - and then I was completely sober for a year.

It's been barely a week and I went through what I got and want more. "I wasn't ready to be done!"
I don't know. Maybe I'll just have to be ready.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to fail at least one, if not both, of my classes. I'm not even brave enough to go to the school and talk to an advisor right now. I have this thought in my head that if I just get "a little more" I can kick out all the work I've put off in a night or two and be done. But of course, Id probably get so high I couldn't do anything but lay down and stare at the inside of my head.

Coming off of meth sucks booty. TIRED. Extremely self-conscious and low in confidence, especially when interacting with other people. I get mad sugar cravings, which lead me to stacks of cookies and croissants, and eating all that just makes everything worse. There's an overall dullness and emptiness, but like tripnotyzm said - deep anxiety. It runs through everything. I remember the first time I tried this shit, I said "Everything is so SHINY." Well. Now things don't get shiny, high or not.

I never like to generalize about anything, drug use included...I'm from an upper middle class family, dad's a doctor, went to church and private schools growing up...although how many terrible tales have you heard about a kid from that kind of upbringing suddenly unleashed into the world? Blech.

I have to go to work and pretend to be happy now.

Reading all of this almost made me feel like I was reading about my own life. That's pretty incredible.

I've made up my mind to drop out of school for the time being. I have too much at stake getting my life back together with that huge burden on my shoulders as well. It may be for good, it may not be; but I know for sure that I have to rethink a lot of my plans and get back to a more stable place before I take on more serious things like earning a college degree in a science like chemistry or engineering. It's funny how the things that drive us to use amphetamine end up being the things that amphetamine use drives away, isn't it?

Hang in there brother! With enough support, hard work and personal reflection; you and I can make it through these dark times and come out as better people than where we started before this mess.
 
I haven't read most of the posts in this thread. But I'm glad I'm off meth. Seriously. Shit fucks things up. Big time. That shit really gets a hold on you..Even after days in a psych ward at the hospital I still didn't stop. But now..I've been clean for a while. And I don't miss it. Every friend I have that has touched it says the same thing "stay away, the shit is bad." Not one of my friends that touched it didn't have a problem with it.

Mind you I used for 4 years recreationally before I had a problem with it. So really, that shit will get you. It might not be today, it might not be tomorrow. But in time, it will get you.
 
Well said.
& if it doesn't destroy your mentality, there's a solid chance of it damaging your physical health.
The shit never tweaked me into checking into a psych ward, but at the height of my use, it caused severe pain and tension to my heart - for months after I cleaned up.
It only takes one nasty batch.
 
Just got my Adderall script earlier today n already im comin off 130mg of it -_- fucking horrible. Im learning this is a terrible drug to abuse over time, nasty. I can hear it laughin in my face. Idk how to use it theraputically......when i love usin it recreationally :/ I need to stop it.

Come Downs wont hurt as bad if you take Multiple Vitamins and Drink Fluids :)
 
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Well said.
& if it doesn't destroy your mentality, there's a solid chance of it damaging your physical health.
The shit never tweaked me into checking into a psych ward, but at the height of my use, it caused severe pain and tension to my heart - for months after I cleaned up.
It only takes one nasty batch.

I remember obsessively checking my heart rate when I was hitting it pretty hard. I had pain on the left side of my chest and sometimes shoulder. I thought for sure that I was going to die from a heart attack at any time. It was almost a welcoming thought during the worst periods. I hope I didn't do any long lasting damage but I'm willing to live with it if that's the case. I'm lucky to have a life at all.
 
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