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I'm currently struggling with an amphetamine addiction. I recently relapsed after having almost 6 weeks clean time from meth & I ended up relapsing this weekend. I have no idea what happened I mean, I finally started feeling somewhat hopeful and optimistic about life again, I don't know made me decide to go smoke to be honest...Amphetamines have been in control of me for quite a bit of my life. I started taking adderrall when I was 13 years old, and no, n

It happens, Hannah..
I still think you are on a roll.. 6 weeks clean is a great achievement.
You've just gotta be prepared to deal with the urges that will arise from time to time.
Slipping up once, or twice, is manageable.. But it would be sad to hear if you ever fell back into the spiral.
Sending you my strength <3
 
Hi everyone.

I've been clean off meth and other stuff for over 20 years. I had surgery a couple weeks ago, and was given an Rx for Tylenol #3. Which I understand is fairly weak shit. But I found myself saving it, even though I don't feel pain anymore. It took me a couple of days to realize I was planning a relapse. As soon as I recognized it, I mixed the pills with some old coffee ground and got rid of it. I'm a little rattled, since this was the first near-relapse I've had in a pretty long time.

Anyway, this is my first post on BL. Thing is, with this much time clean, I don't have a lot of people in my life that would understand, or that it would be safe to even talk to about it.

I don't want to freak anyone out and give the impression that cravings and all that hang around for 20 years, because it's not like that. But it still only takes a second to throw things out the window. For those of you struggling right now, hang in there and fight your ass off.

That's all I'm comfortable writing about right now. I just needed some way to communicate what (almost) happened..

Reading your post actually brought me to tears. Sadly, not because I am such an empathetic person that I cried in sympathy for your near-fall 8), but because of the sudden moment of cold realisation it brought upon me. Despite the extent to which my life has crumbled around me in the last 14 months, I've not genuinely considered this hole I've fallen into as anything but a temporary setback, (optimistically) believing that things will manage to work themselves out again, somehow, before it's too late. If I am going to beat this addiction and move forward into my life again though, it's not enough to only stop now - I can't let myself smoke ever again!

Yes that probably sounds obvious, but really it never occurred to me in that way before. I've been smoking on and off since I was 18 years old, and apart from an initial slightly too close, near-fall for meth's charms that first year, over the years since then, it was always something I could enjoy as an occasional 'treat', spending a few days while I was on holiday tweaking my head off and then not touching or thinking about it again for another 6 months. Now that the situation has meandered its way to the present moment however, a scene in which my relationship with meth has slipped so embarrassingly out of my control, I know that I will never be able to innocently revisit our holiday flirtations without falling again. Like a child, I can no longer be trusted to manage and behave myself without tough restrictions and rules in place, to keep me in line. It's a sad realisation! :(
 
So I started using speed 5 days ago to gain extra motivation for some art projects I have been working on.
Since then, I have been on amphetamines every day.
Earlier this evening I was craving so hard that I caved in and purchased a bag of ice..
I don't really know how I'm feeling about this.
I was meth free for so long, I can't even keep track of how long it has been.
I'm generally a pretty stable person, so I'm confident that I won't let this progress in to another regular habit.
 
Yeah so I think I might have taken a tad too much crystals last night.

I dont even remember being awake but I defintely did not get much sleep if anything substantial at all

I feel like such a biker right now, if only I had a Harley Davidson motocycle and severe anger problems I could try to join the Pagans and have access to it whenever I was getting a little tired or unable to swing a ball peen hammer towards someone's face for having a rival gangs jacket on and acting exactly how most bikers would when backed into a corner, swinging at your skull with the first object they can grab that won't kill you outright because its more about just sending a message than straight up murders a lot of times, although there's some brutal murders that occur as well.

Maybe meth isnt so cool after all
 
I hope this post goes where I intended it. Browsing forum websites on a smartphone is tedious and frustrating-but not as bad as trying to find a pharmacy that can fill a Dexedrine script. I stopped by bluelight today just to let my fellow tweakers know that I have made it a full Earth-Year without any amphetamines or any other buzz/euphoria inducing agent. (I don't include legally prescribed psychiatric meds.) However, I could be taking Sertraline/Zoloft as well as Perphenazine (a potent cousin of Thorazine) and Trazodone but I've kicked those. They were all unpleasant as far as causing a foggy, out-of-it state that makes physical exercise difficult, among other complaints/negative effects. Without mentioning what I do still take, I saved the tough one for last and I gotta ration a 3 month supply because I may never get another script for it again. I have really mixed feelings about this one, but that's for another thread...So, with that said, or typed, whatever, yes if you are going literally crazy over your amphetamine/speed/Adderall/Dexedrine habit and you feel awful on the drug as well as when you run out, I've been there and experienced it myself. I think I made a few suggestions in old posts about what helped make the whole Grieving Process of Dextroamphetamine withdrawl more tolerable, and others have covered it too. But I'll mention it again. First of all, don't even both with a taper process, finish your final stash and get it over with. Don't overdose but trying some sort of weaning with amphetamines isn't the way to quit (that' my subjective opinion, not fact). The sooner you take your final dose, the sooner you'll start to heal on a psychological/biochemical/physical level and get closer to feeling "normal". The amino acids like the ones found in various energy drinks/energy shots helped me at least a little (l-tyrosine, etc.), ginseng works for SOME people to give a much needed energy boost, and there are at least 3 subtypes of ginseng, each allegedly acting slightly differently, get some sort of calming agent/sedative such as a benzo or phenibut if possible(DON'T GIVE YOURSELF A NEW DRUG HABIT. TAKE DOWNERS SPARINGLY, IF AT ALL), in a pinch, both formulations of Dramamine cause drowsiness if you have poor sleep. Drink all the coffee you need. I hate the synthetic caffeine of no-doz pills and to this day I still rely on freeze dried mud. Take a lot of vitamins and eat, eat,eat. Even if it isn't very healthy-EAT! Pig out. And drink a lot of water.Nothing else. Avoid refined sugar-you're already crashing from one thing...Exercise. Do whatever you can without straining yourself. Get some over the counter pain meds to take as needed. I've read plenty of good things about fish oil and it probably prevented oxidative stress from my last 2 binges. As far as cannabis goes: everyone is different and weed may help relieve some detox symptoms, it may make you feel worse. Personally, I'd avoid it due to anxiety and feeling even more lethargic.I hate...and I mean HATE to promote Big Pharma psych meds but if you got the cash for a doctor or access to these drugs, bupropion (Wellbutrin) and/or a low dose of aripiprazole(Abilify) may cushion the fall and be beneficial. Especially if you have to do anything that requires your mental focus or physical exertion. Abilify is expensive as gold and generic bupropion is relatively cheap. If it won't get you in trouble, let people you come in regular contact with know that you will be very grumpy, irritable, and nasty and apologize in advance. I won't get into 12 Step Groups or lesser known effective alternatives in this post. That's it. Good luck. Be patient, you will begin to feel better, and try to distract your mind from the fact that you feel like shit with whatever entertains you. Now where the Hell is my useless, worthless medallion?
 
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Alright I'm looking for advice as wheneve i go hospital they frown upon me and say its just the drugs , I know I have to go see a gp I will I just wanna see if anyone experiences the same. Chest pains feeling numb in feet an hands and back neck pains that
Mimic a heart attack but is probably anxiety. Today I mixed ativan (benzo)with meth to fall asleep and I fell asleep for 3 hours and now I'm sitting here with my heart beating so soft I can bearly feel it and someone's it will rush quickly then go back down and I keep getting a twitchy feeling in my left leg , really scaring me does anyone know what this may be ?!?!
 
Btw I'm 18 and been smoking t for a year and a half and every second day for the last 4 months. Before that was casual
 
Coming down off meth atm and it's horrid.
Been awake for 40hrs, muscles feel depleted, guts all torn up, can't eat can't sleep.
Ate some melatonin, 5-htp & a multivit so hopefully this helps a bit.

Have been getting bad anxiety this past year or so to the point where I'm talking to myself Tourette's style, the ice seems make this happen much much worse.

Never again (he says)
 
I hope this post goes where I intended it. Browsing forum websites on a smartphone is tedious and frustrating-but not as bad as trying to find a pharmacy that can fill a Dexedrine script. I stopped by bluelight today just to let my fellow tweakers know that I have made it a full Earth-Year without any amphetamines or any other buzz/euphoria inducing agent. (I don't include legally prescribed psychiatric meds.) However, I could be taking Sertraline/Zoloft as well as Perphenazine (a potent cousin of Thorazine) and Trazodone but I've kicked those. They were all unpleasant as far as causing a foggy, out-of-it state that makes physical exercise difficult, among other complaints/negative effects. Without mentioning what I do still take, I saved the tough one for last and I gotta ration a 3 month supply because I may never get another script for it again. I have really mixed feelings about this one, but that's for another thread...So, with that said, or typed, whatever, yes if you are going literally crazy over your amphetamine/speed/Adderall/Dexedrine habit and you feel awful on the drug as well as when you run out, I've been there and experienced it myself. I think I made a few suggestions in old posts about what helped make the whole Grieving Process of Dextroamphetamine withdrawl more tolerable, and others have covered it too. But I'll mention it again. First of all, don't even both with a taper process, finish your final stash and get it over with. Don't overdose but trying some sort of weaning with amphetamines isn't the way to quit (that' my subjective opinion, not fact). The sooner you take your final dose, the sooner you'll start to heal on a psychological/biochemical/physical level and get closer to feeling "normal". The amino acids like the ones found in various energy drinks/energy shots helped me at least a little (l-tyrosine, etc.), ginseng works for SOME people to give a much needed energy boost, and there are at least 3 subtypes of ginseng, each allegedly acting slightly differently, get some sort of calming agent/sedative such as a benzo or phenibut if possible(DON'T GIVE YOURSELF A NEW DRUG HABIT. TAKE DOWNERS SPARINGLY, IF AT ALL), in a pinch, both formulations of Dramamine cause drowsiness if you have poor sleep. Drink all the coffee you need. I hate the synthetic caffeine of no-doz pills and to this day I still rely on freeze dried mud. Take a lot of vitamins and eat, eat,eat. Even if it isn't very healthy-EAT! Pig out. And drink a lot of water.Nothing else. Avoid refined sugar-you're already crashing from one thing...Exercise. Do whatever you can without straining yourself. Get some over the counter pain meds to take as needed. I've read plenty of good things about fish oil and it probably prevented oxidative stress from my last 2 binges. As far as cannabis goes: everyone is different and weed may help relieve some detox symptoms, it may make you feel worse. Personally, I'd avoid it due to anxiety and feeling even more lethargic.I hate...and I mean HATE to promote Big Pharma psych meds but if you got the cash for a doctor or access to these drugs, bupropion (Wellbutrin) and/or a low dose of aripiprazole(Abilify) may cushion the fall and be beneficial. Especially if you have to do anything that requires your mental focus or physical exertion. Abilify is expensive as gold and generic bupropion is relatively cheap. If it won't get you in trouble, let people you come in regular contact with know that you will be very grumpy, irritable, and nasty and apologize in advance. I won't get into 12 Step Groups or lesser known effective alternatives in this post. That's it. Good luck. Be patient, you will begin to feel better, and try to distract your mind from the fact that you feel like shit with whatever entertains you. Now where the Hell is my useless, worthless medallion?

I ended my chemical romance w/ meth over ten years ago, and I really agree with what you've posted here!
 
sweaty, thanks for that post. and very impressive for doing it on a phone :)

First of all, don't even both with a taper process, finish your final stash and get it over with. Don't overdose but trying some sort of weaning with amphetamines isn't the way to quit (that' my subjective opinion, not fact). The sooner you take your final dose, the sooner you'll start to heal on a psychological/biochemical/physical level and get closer to feeling "normal".

^I especially needed to read this. I already knew it to be true, but my own bullshit was doing a great job of convincing me otherwise.



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How is everyone else?
 
i recently did a month of sobriety, man! it was HELL. . . I've been on amphetamines since i was 11. My dads 58 and addicted to adderall/vyvanse etc becausee i got him into it. he gets less sleep than me. So recently i found a way to aquire high quality 8 balls for 199 bux.

Since then I have been doing 100 percent better and 100 worse. I can hear god giving me all these bad omens if i keep going down this path. its the ROA , smoking shit here at 3 AM !!!! and worse ILL SLEEP TOO... thats who used to it i am. and its GOOD.

My plan is 3 weeks of sobriety, then the ayahuasca treatment center in LA county, then off to Peru to teach english with TESOL. I can chew coca leaves to combat my fatigue
 
I was addicted to meth for ~8 months, from June 2010 to January 2011.

Was totally clean (and went through a ton of bullshit, picking up the pieces of my life from just those six months of off-and-on use) from January 2011-December-2012.

Been using, on average, once a month the past 7 months. Most recently last week, after being meth-free for 8 weeks.

Obviously I've slowly but surely been relapsing, so earlier this week I've decided to buckle down again and be totally drug free (which, for me, includes giving up weed -- a battle I've been struggling with for a couple of years).

I am extremely determined and fully confident I am never going to use any drugs again. That's the only way I can do this: a 100% determined no-use policy. It can't be a quit for 3 months, or 6 months, or anything like that.

I struggle with periodic depression. I oscillate between tremendously healthful periods (I practice yoga, consume veggie juice, spirulina, etc. daily) and awfully dystopic depression, when I binge on junk food and drugs.

That cycle has been going on for the past four or five years, the healthful cycles gradually lengthening (thanks largely to yoga, which found me a year ago) and the depressive cycles shortening.

I have no illusions about how challenging this is and will continue to be. I am fully prepared to be vigilant. Every day I am writing down my emotions and thoughts, and propping myself up with mantras. Meditation, yoga, sleep, and support from friends.

Life is all about perseverance and discipline. I am drug free!
 
I was addicted to meth for ~8 months, from June 2010 to January 2011.

Was totally clean (and went through a ton of bullshit, picking up the pieces of my life from just those six months of off-and-on use) from January 2011-December-2012.

Been using, on average, once a month the past 7 months. Most recently last week, after being meth-free for 8 weeks.

Obviously I've slowly but surely been relapsing, so earlier this week I've decided to buckle down again and be totally drug free (which, for me, includes giving up weed -- a battle I've been struggling with for a couple of years).

I am extremely determined and fully confident I am never going to use any drugs again. That's the only way I can do this: a 100% determined no-use policy. It can't be a quit for 3 months, or 6 months, or anything like that.

I struggle with periodic depression. I oscillate between tremendously healthful periods (I practice yoga, consume veggie juice, spirulina, etc. daily) and awfully dystopic depression, when I binge on junk food and drugs.

That cycle has been going on for the past four or five years, the healthful cycles gradually lengthening (thanks largely to yoga, which found me a year ago) and the depressive cycles shortening.

I have no illusions about how challenging this is and will continue to be. I am fully prepared to be vigilant. Every day I am writing down my emotions and thoughts, and propping myself up with mantras. Meditation, yoga, sleep, and support from friends.

Life is all about perseverance and discipline. I am drug free!

Life is good, especially when it's kept on a nice even keel -- unlike when we're using radically pharmokinetic materials. I've been stims/psychs/alcohol free for 11 days. Keep it up!
 
Please do not be a fool. I am addicted to meth and have been for almost two years. I used to be able to stop anytime but trust my you can't forever. I still pay my bills and my kids have everything they need and my life is horrible. I lost my job six months ago and have quickly depleted my six figure back up savings, not all on meth but might as well be. Not to mention I have lost all my friends and family not cause I harmed them I just isolated from the world. The damage done makes my head swim. Everyone knows what I do everyone. I went from weekend warrior to full blown addict shooting a 16th per day habit. That's close to no prices a week no bull. I want to quit so badly but I seem to find an excuse every time. Using makes me sick every time. I hate who it has made me become, my old job called me to come back once I get my commercial license back yep lost that to. All I have to do really is get clean take a retest and my six figure job comes back along with my life. I will lose my family wife kid and my chance at my old job back here in like two weeks if I can't do this. I have done it six months ago but only made it two weeks, I am alone surrounded by people, if I lose my family I fear I won't survive this. I went to college for microbiology, am an excellent pool player love science and math. I can now see the damage physically and mentally it makes me cry. Oh rehab sure but no medical insurance cause no job. I am not asking for help I will fight my way out of this hell hole it will not win. TO Those who thing meth is no big deal this was for you it's all true no bull here I shot smoked it ate it snorted it etc, I was up for eight days yes eight days, and I tried to commit suicide twice. This all in six months that's how fast it is UNDERSTAND this run from meth and it's victims it kills your mind and body from the inside out. I am an addict listen to me I thought I was strong I was for a bit but this bitch gets us all. Please no powder no pills. Any questions email me anything anytime to talk or what I am 33 years old my body is now 45 my mind I don't know now meth is an epidemic not a fad it's killing our kids to yea 14 year old girls spun out its sad. Hit me up [email protected] I need the conversation with people who understand. For all you current addicts I am going to beat this so you all see you can do it. Help save America's youth now. Thanks.
 
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hey buddy! ^ i know what you mean. I was up for 8-11 days once... *Recently i relapsed a bit, and broke down and cried and cried thinking that my soul was gonna be in the HANDS OF LUCIFER for ever! now that sounds crazy, since i've been clean for 15 days, but at the time it didn't. I even went to church and confessed all my sins, and i've been still going. Just turned 27, starting to feel just a bit worn out. I DON"T HAVE KIDS THOUGH! You have to decide if anything in life is WORTH LIVING FOR. DO YOU LOVE YOUR KIDS? DO YOU FEEL GUILTY AND WANT YOUR BURDEN LIGHTENED? It won't be easy, first things first, little step by little step. WEen yourself down to a workable amount, Perhaps go see a doctor, tell him the honest truth, that you are willing to do whatever it takes. *(maybe he will RX you some Amphetamines and other stuff to make it workable) Tell him why you started and why you con't use. You cant just shut down I get that. But at least stop shooting and start the hard work back up hill, at 33 you will be able to reverse everything in about 8 months.
 
Day 17 here.

So far so good. No meth cravings.

But I feel like anyone who quits (assuming you weren't absurdly addicted), the problem isn't the cravings, per se. It's dealing with life.

The emotions. Things bother me more than they should. Well out of proportion. A couple of times I've felt it seething inside of me. I know it's the meth. Just have to let it pass.

And I can't imagine how it is for others. I am a very healthful individual. In these 17 days I haven't had one unhealthful meal. That's 68 consecutive meals. Getting 8+ hours of sleep every night. Working out every day.

And still I'm not the same. And that was only with sporadic use!

It takes a long, long time to go back to normal, no matter how little you use and no matter how healthy you are.

I expect to feel relatively normal by Day 30. I expect to feel balanced, and really good with myself, by Day 90.

I'm never looking back. Meth is permanently out of my life, this thread aside. I haven't said a word to the only friend I know associated with it.

He texted me a couple of days ago: "We need to run really soon." He's always saying shit but never following through. I was (and did) going to run that evening; I invited him to join. His response: "I'm on shrooms; maybe if I come down by then." Of course I haven't heard from him since.

I empathize with him, but he has to figure it out for himself. Just like I'm figuring it out for myself.
 
I was addicted to adderall my junior of highschool, maybe not an addiction but used to when I said I "needed it" stayed up for 3 days smoked some weed and woke up in a stage of psychosis that ill never forget I know you guys can do whatever you put your minds to
 
When I quit two things were crticical:

1. I realised my will power sucks balls, don't know why. I come from a decent family (loving folks still together), finished an engineering degree but just have a weakness for chems specifically amphets. So I just completely removed all people from my life that do it. I mean brutal finality by the way as in gone never talk to again. I detoxed on holiday in a country where finding headache pills is difficult let alone meth. Then moved to another state to complete my degree to make sure that even if I got the urge, there was literally nobody from my new life that could supply me.

2. Stopped anything else addictive booze, cigarettes etc i knew after a few drinks anything "seems like a good idea" so simply I just abstained from any mind altering substance.

That was ten years ago, and I've not been back. It's drastic, it's uncomfortable and it turns your life upside down but it 100% works.

I wish anyone quitting every success. A mate that still was doing it from back then I heard on the grapevine recently died. How? Heart attack, from still smoking every day.

Quit today, waiting will kill you.
 
When I quit two things were crticical:

1. I realised my will power sucks balls, don't know why. I come from a decent family (loving folks still together), finished an engineering degree but just have a weakness for chems specifically amphets. So I just completely removed all people from my life that do it. I mean brutal finality by the way as in gone never talk to again. I detoxed on holiday in a country where finding headache pills is difficult let alone meth. Then moved to another state to complete my degree to make sure that even if I got the urge, there was literally nobody from my new life that could supply me.

2. Stopped anything else addictive booze, cigarettes etc i knew after a few drinks anything "seems like a good idea" so simply I just abstained from any mind altering substance.

That was ten years ago, and I've not been back. It's drastic, it's uncomfortable and it turns your life upside down but it 100% works.

I wish anyone quitting every success. A mate that still was doing it from back then I heard on the grapevine recently died. How? Heart attack, from still smoking every day.

Quit today, waiting will kill you.

And that's how I did it ten years ago, minus moving to another country. Did move to a new state, though.

But you are right, cutting out people in your life that use was the only way I was able to do it.

Even NA sucks, 'coz you are associating in person with addicts, who probably, just like yourself, want to use. (I mean, come on. If we didn't *want* to use, because we're either psychologically or physically dependent, then we wouldn't be on Bluelight, eh?
 
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