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mephedrone vs mdma

Heres the major difference, try and binge 2 weeks on MDMA and see how long you last or what you are feeling like after.
 
Isn't MMC MUCH more stimulating than MDMA though? That would be a huge downside... tachycardia is not my idea of fun. Which is why even though I'm craving methylone like a mofo, I won't touch it again for awhile and will just be patient until Molly visits.
 
in my experience mephedrone will over power ur roll and is wasteful of mdma when taken together, mephedrone coming down off mdma seemed like the meph was missing a lil something from the experience but still had awesome effects, this combo kept me awake an extremely long time though, even more then mephedrone alone and with a rough comedown,
as far as effects go, a combo is not at all worth it
let alone harm reduction!
 
I read Ayla's entire post not seeing who wrote it- and was like "WOW, beautifully put!"- of course it was her ;)

I think if a substance is fairly "new" and "unresearched", it instills this sense of fear of it- in reality, we know very little about the human body, drugs, biology- we are still uncovering constant information we did not know. Obviously, ANY drug should be approached with caution, but it stands to reason- if someone responds fine to it without any noticeable bad effects, it may not be the most harmful drug out there. Granted, it should be respected, and not overused regardless.

What I do know of mephedrone, is that I feel fine afterwards- my boyfriend does not. He is a bigger person, has had heart problems in the past (not from drugs), and he feels mild chest pain after mephedrone- mephedrone is not for him. I don't think anyone with cardiac issues should put additional strain on their heart- he also experiences the same pain when he drinks too much coffee.

I've not experienced purple/blue joints or fingers- then again, I tend to find people who experience this use mephedrone multiple times a week. I've used it three times spanned over a 2 month period.

I think all RC's should be respected- to think we know a lot about MDMA is naive as well- there's a huge amount of mystery around MDMA's effects, especially long-term.

AylaV said:
I'm sure I'm probably alone (or certainly in the minority) in this, but the rhetoric on mephedrone needs to stop. Telling people a chemical is bad for them is what is done in schools and is not harm reductive.

Abstinence promotes ignorance. Information promotes knowledge.

Here are my feelings. Some people have bad reactions to mephedrone. Some people also have bad reactions to all the drugs done on this site. Our goal is to provide information on how to most safely engage in these drugs -- not to say "let's not do this". The only study I know on mephedrone is a survey from Mixmag (a rave culture magazine) that says 15% of users report cold or blue fingers. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/10004383) I guess I haven't experienced the negative side effects of mephedrone. Even when I took too much as an initial dose this past weekend I never experienced cold or blue anything -- I was pouring sweat =P Vasoconstriction from 4-methylephedrine is about all we know about mephedrone. I think in the end we'll find mephedrone has its pluses and minuses -- like any drug we do.

I do agree with your final point, though. This is what did me in with the methylone and mephedrone combo -- I was FAR too stimulated. Reached a fever of 40`C / 101.9'F and sat outside in the cool air with a fan blowing on me (I had already gotten water with lime juice added for electrolytes).

I've also heard that the mephedrone overpowers the MDMA when the two are combined from a post in this community from another forum. I don't know how true this is, but after experiencing methylone and mephedrone, I have absolutely no intention of trying it.
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AylaV said:
I feel, after having done MDMA last Thursday (a very magical roll at that) and having done MDMA last Saturday that I find mephedrone to be far superiour to MDMA in more ways than just the complete lack of hangover and gentle "drop-off" as opposed to the drawn out drama-fest of the MDMA comedown.

Those arguing that we know nothing about mephedrone and more about MDMA as an argument need to understand that research SHOULD be done on mephedrone and I'm fairly certain we'll find it's gentler on the brain than MDMA in at least one key way.

Brain zaps on MDMA I've heard after two to three days of abuse -- for me it was always four or five. Mephedrone I've heard of people going for two week benders on the stuff (which I suppose is, in and of itself, a con) until they experienced brain zaps.

We don't fully understand what brain zaps are (they're related to epilepsy -- http://www.epilepsy.com/node/962506 ), but they're most certainly not good. I agree we need to take precautions with mephedrone, but if we're talking the high -- I'll take 4-mmc > mdma any day of the week. Same goes for the immediate side effects -- especially for those who have lost the magic and know the hell that is a suicide tuesday.
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AGREED! I've had 100% pure MDMA many times, and I can say my mephedrone experiences have been much better. Some people will still prefer MDMA- I think a lot of it is personal chemistry, and what you prefer. I don't like to feel "floored", and I'm not in it for the visuals, so mephedrone is a more enjoyable experience.
 
My mate got seriously adicticted mcat also messed him up mentaly and with its simular stucture to methamphetamine it kinda worrys me. I wouldn't reccomend mcat even more so that its ilegal at least before u knew it was pure. Also when i took it i got a very strong urge to redose... But thats just my opinion.
 
Sorry to hear your friend developed addiction. =( There's a potential to abuse with all drugs- I've done mephedrone 3 times in the past 2 months, and I have no desire to any more soon- I'm saving what I have for New Years. Certainly, if you take any substance to extremes, the effects can be ugly.
 
Bsiren said:
I have no desire to any more soon- I'm saving what I have for New Years. Certainly, if you take any substance to extremes, the effects can be ugly.
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I only got the desire to redose straight after the comedown but it was a strong desire.
 
I have developed a kind of "addiction" to meph....usually it is only weekends but every weekend turns into all weekend turns into once during the work week. I make enough money to easily get hooked on something that comes to your doorstep so for those of you with addictive personalities my advice is stay away.
 
i'm quite glad i've just never got the desire to take more mephedrone after i've woken up from a heavy night on it. mdma to me right now is like this magical wonderful memory as i've not had any in over a year, and in that year i've taken quite a lot of mephedrone. perhaps i'm just bigging md up in my head but the idea that meph could be better never crossed my mind.
 
I actually think that it will cause problems in the future but thats just my opinion, u see people who review all the new reasearch chemicals and there quiet messed up already. Personaly i will only take substances that have been researched on for many years. Although i did try meph, i can't wait to try mdma seems like the best thing ever on first go and i know alot of regular users envy new users with fresh tolerance ;)
 
Inkst said:
MDMA is a million times better than mephedrone.

I had just finished a 2.7g baggie of mephedrone, snorting, drinking, encapsulating every day for 3 days until it was gone.

Never even came close to MDMA's feeling.

Plus, you don't feel like your body hates you more than you could imagine when you take it.

Hope to see more MDMA going around here in Canada..
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northwestern Canada is supposed to be where the quality stuff comes from im hoping they move it 2 cali cuz im getting crappy pills that r cut 10 million times from the fucking beaners<--- no offense to mexi's i love them just not the quality of the drug anymore. "OOOOOO CANADA!!! BRING US DAT BOMB ASS DRUGGS!"
 
L27 said:
I actually think that it will cause problems in the future but thats just my opinion, u see people who review all the new reasearch chemicals and there quiet messed up already. Personaly i will only take substances that have been researched on for many years. Although i did try meph, i can't wait to try mdma seems like the best thing ever on first go and i know alot of regular users envy new users with fresh tolerance ;)
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I think the only thing that's fair to say is that we don't know how "safe" or "harmful" mephedrone or methylone are- that's why, though I enjoy mephedrone, I limit how much I bring with me, and I don't plan to use it again any time soon. I honestly don't have a feeling we are going to find out horrifying or shocking data about either of these two chemicals- it stands to reason, something chemically similar to MDMA, will have similar after effects. Maybe some less negative, perhaps some more. I do know from my own experience, I feel much much better coming off mephedrone than MDMA, and my days after feel like I didn't do any drugs at all.

Still- ALL drugs should be respected, researched or not. People still die of over-doses from "safe" prescriptions, and dr's still can't even determine what the long-term causes are of many common legal drugs until it's too late. The FDA is constantly pulling dangerous asthma meds, birth control pills, nicotine replacements etc. We still know very very little about the mysteries of the human body, to think we know anything is safe is foolish.
 
Mephedrone and Ecstasy

God I can't believe I'm asking this question, but I guess I'm curious if anyone had tried this combo?

In the past, I've always enjoyed a little added stimulation to the roll. Be it a cheeky little line of coke to start the night off, or a little bit of speed. Only a little bit of either though before I drop any pills. Just to get in the mood ya understand :)
 
^^ yea same with me, especially coke that would start pumping my heart a little too much before i dose which would put me in an uncomfortable state.
 
When I first did E in 88- I had a social loved up feeling that was enjoyable- it was apparently made in Berkley, obtained at a dead show (the guy left with my money and was back 20 minutes latter as promissed. I snorted it by the dead head that obtained it for me. I did MDMA a few more times and got a subtle rather clean relaxing high and a closeness to those around me . But it wasn't until I did these wonderful white caps at my first rave in 91' in San Diego that I got that intense come up followed by that beautiful magic plateau- context is important but I got a good dose of clean E.

I did E several more times through the years, the pills we were getting in 94' were strong, and the plateau loved up but some of the magic was gone. In 93 I had E once that took over a hour to kick in but then when I was going to give up and sleep started getting eyesy closed visuals.

With E I would get eye wiggles on the come up, a floored feeling, but a loved up, sometimes edgy plateau. By 94' I found the drug to bring me to basline (heroin- ground me, give me a content euphoria, and smooth the rough edges. and occasionally valium). Sex was never orgasmic with E- more about love, intimacy, cuddling, and touching. Penetration but the intimacy wasn't the goal, only came occasionally, unlike the kinky, sometimes multiple orgasims of meth and compulsive sexual activity. One time I got E that made me antisocial- all my roomates hid in my room when we had a party, left the room and it looked like we had a 100 people. That stuff made me feel extra cold- to my bones. Maybe they were experimenting with analogues at the time. Got E from the chemist I knew that made it from Isosafrole he got from his work using shulgins recipe- but it had a brown specks- guess it wasn't washed enough- that was subtle- euphoric and made me feel close to my girl while we were in mowie- but not the most social E I took- it was analyzed by him, he was trustworthy, using TLC and it was MDMA. Again set and setting change the effects.

So my question is I know you can redose- but is the loved up social magic similar with mephedrone. Experiences very but it seems this drug is more social, more toxic feeling, some say that you don't lose the magic. But do you lose it with redoucing. Dose it have the prosexual, kinky effects of meth?
Is there cross tolerance .with E?

How does it compare to MDA? for those that tried it and new the identity of the drug with certainty.

Now that it is getting illegal do you guys see mephedrone replacing MDXX in certain circles- its ability to redose makes it sound conducive to clubbing till the wee hours, and it sounds like if its snorted there is a ritualistic community aspect to it. Is it a case of the high changing while you redose.? Would one describe this high as a cross between coke and speed.
 
I had just finished a 2.7g baggie of mephedrone, snorting, drinking, encapsulating every day for 3 days until it was gone.
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wat do ya thinkk did for overall ego ?????

a hope your proud of yourself now
 
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