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mephedrone vs mdma

Do not do this shit!! I take back everything good I said about drone, shit had me in the hospital with a heart rate around 220, my hands and feet were numb and I thought I could literally drop dead and die at any second. And i split a gram and a half throught a night with a friend and ended up drinking, not a lot but like four beers.. This shit isn't even remotely safe and it's more addictive than any drug I've done. Fuck mephedrone, never try it.


When Im not posting from a phone I'll write a report
 
Mephedrone :-))

I had to see what the hype is all about, and I'm a coke virgin to boot. I've rolled about 7-8 times. So I got me a bit today and wanted to wait until next weekend to try it but HAH!!! I did 2 lovely rails and YOWZERS! I can't wait until I can bomb dis shit.

My toes are tapping like hell and I am happy about everything. Trees and my street look so beautiful. My cats and dogs declared an Armstice and whoever said music is incredible was soooo correct. I accidentally played Deep Purple on youtube and even thru shitty computer speakers I am so diggin it. This is a party substance. I'm going to HAVE to exercise some willpower for sure and save some for when I go wakeboarding next weekend.

Question: I'm a coke virgin. Are you supposed to rub leftovers on your gums and on your cigarette filter like you see in movies? Hell, what would mixing this with some weed in a bong be like?

Thank you everyone for your advice, glad I tried this now to flex some will power, wait for the wifey and see what she thinks! Hope everyone has an AWESOME and SAFE weekend! I think Im going to open up a plant fertilizer store, LOL!
 
glad you enjoy it lol good feeling isnt it. ive been doing it for awhile, its such a great feeling. makes music sound so good... infact everything is fucking fantastic on that stuff. be careful not to abuse it, as the side effects are nasty. it mixes with alcohol pretty well, also alcohol + nitrous. killer combo. dunno about weed though. check out my report

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=81661
 
Amazing stuff, however be careful on the re-dosing.

Wish this was still legal :(

enjoy your time while it lasts !
 
This shit is really bad for you, it sent me to the hospital. please be carefulwith it and space out your uses.
 
meph wasnt for me. i had around .5g, was planning on doing just .1-2, ended up doing it all in one night.

it's extremely short acting, and you're highly tempted to redose. for me, i felt way more speedy, slightly euphoric, but no empathy or magic like mdma.

it was nice, but the comedown the next day was harsh. extremely depressed, tired, and basically dead for nearly the whole day. i'd spring back like nothing after a night on mdma.
 
Combining MDMA & mephedrone?

I've heard things to the effect of "the MDMA won't do anything" or the "mephedrone won't do anything" if you mix these two up- but having experienced both separately, and enjoying both, I'm wondering if they can indeed be mixed, and would it be worth it?

Has anyone actually mixed the two? What was the experience like?

Please no judgemental/negative responses- I'm looking for actual information. =) I'm not intending to do a large dose of either, and I understand mixing these drugs has certain inherent risk factors like serotonin syndrome.

I've read quite a few trip reports that involve both chemicals, but I'd like to know if anyone has additional info.
 
All I'm gonna say is that there aren't any studies on mephedrone and people do have bad reactions to it even at a dose they've done before and been fine (myself included), I would really think twice about combining these two. Not a lot is known about mephedrone and what is known isn't encouraging, it's fun as shit and I know you're probably gonna do it until you have a bad reaction, but mixing it with another stimulant is just tempting fate.
 
If there's actual data that combining these two is especially risky for a reason, I'd be interested in seeing that.

I know threads about mephedrone tend to evoke the response of "it's a research chemical and no one knows what it does long-term!"- all drugs have the ability to harm, and all drugs are new and unknown in the beginning. I'm not of the habit of doing mephedrone frequently, or MDMA. Just wondering if combining the two is fun, or if anyone knows of anything suggesting it's specifically harmful. Considering many ecstasy pills contain methamphetamines in addition to MDMA, and people re-dose those- it stands to reason that perhaps mixing mephedrone and MDMA is in a similar category. Again, if there are specific risk factors, I'd like to know.

I don't know what mephedrone does long-term, which is why I only have tried it 2x, and plan to wait until NYE for my next session. I do know that I feel no "come down" or physical issues after using mephedrone- but plenty of people do, and being that it is a new chemical I think it's wise to limit use.
 
Both drugs are cardiotoxic and nuerotoxic by the same mechanisms, they both put more seratonin and dopamine into a synapse so they're inherantly nuerotoxic. In case you didn't know when your seratonin is no longer releasing and is reabsorbed dopamine is oxidized and harms seratonin receptors (how MDMA and mephedrone harm your brain). Doing mephedrone on top of doing MDMA would pump a lot more dopamine and release a smaller ammount of seratonin, so more dopamine to oxidize. <-that's true for all dopamine releasors combined with MDMA though. What really worries me about mephedrone is the tachycardia it causes and for so long after. It honestly doesn't take long for even weekend use of mephedrone to catch up with you. I can't give you scientific facts on why because well were the lab rats and the results aren't in yet, but I can tell you that after doing it maybe seven times in a month me and two friends are feeling negative side effects, I know two other people who went to the hospital because it fucked with their hearts and I went to the hospital because it fucked with my heart. Don't take this shit lightly, combining it with another stimulant is just asking for problems. I know it's not gonna stop you, and hey you might have a great time that nightz. BUT keep in mind this shits
not safe. It's been known to turn peoples joints blue.... What drugs have you done that turn your knees blue and you think they're chill?


And FYI, out of around 15 people I know who have done drone more than once, 3 have been to the hospital for it.
 
burn2shine said:
Both drugs are cardiotoxic and nuerotoxic by the same mechanisms, they both put more seratonin and dopamine into a synapse so they're inherantly nuerotoxic. In case you didn't know when your seratonin is no longer releasing and is reabsorbed dopamine is oxidized and harms seratonin receptors (how MDMA and mephedrone harm your brain). Doing mephedrone on top of doing MDMA would pump a lot more dopamine and release a smaller ammount of seratonin, so more dopamine to oxidize. <-that's true for all dopamine releasors combined with MDMA though. What really worries me about mephedrone is the tachycardia it causes and for so long after. It honestly doesn't take long for even weekend use of mephedrone to catch up with you. I can't give you scientific facts on why because well were the lab rats and the results aren't in yet, but I can tell you that after doing it maybe seven times in a month me and two friends are feeling negative side effects, I know two other people who went to the hospital because it fucked with their hearts and I went to the hospital because it fucked with my heart. Don't take this shit lightly, combining it with another stimulant is just asking for problems. I know it's not gonna stop you, and hey you might have a great time that nightz. BUT keep in mind this shits
not safe. It's been known to turn peoples joints blue.... What drugs have you done that turn your knees blue and you think they're chill?


And FYI, out of around 15 people I know who have done drone more than once, 3 have been to the hospital for it.
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First, don't listen to this guy..........I've done drone and suffered zero negatives. Plus it is not proven to be neurotoxic.
 
I've taken Methylone at the end of MDMA and I will say that was absoultely spectactular. I didn't try and 'combine' them I just let the MDMA play out until the comedown then bumped the methylone and it was absolutely beautiful. I don't know if the same would be the case with mephedrone though.
 
Thank you for the feedback =) I rolled on mephedrone with myself and 3 friends (one of us was on MDMA), and towards the end of the night, my friend on MDMA kindly offered each of us a pill- I turned it down because it's the end of the night, and like you said Theotherside- MDMA is much stronger, so I didn't really want to end my night with that. I actually took a small amount vicodin instead, to calm the "speediness" of the mephedrone down- much better experience, and it seemed to numb some of the desire to want more mephedrone.
 
^^Yes a small amount of any opiate helps to bring you down softly, benzos also do this but I use to always take a vicodin when my drone ran out. Just don't take too much of anything to help you comedown as A-it is dangerous B-opiates/benzo's are addicting.
 
< agreed Otherside. It softened the feeling of "damnit my roll is going away!", and put me on a more mellow path. I'm not one who enjoys opiates, actually, but I know they can be extremely addictive. I simply took it based on some good trip reports- and I'm OK with opiates in small doses, especially if I'm feeling too hyper.

I took Valerian root (an effective herbal sleeping supplement) when I got home, and managed to actually have sound sleep, which is not something I get after a night of MDMA or drone. I think Valerian is a great, less risky way to mellow out if you come home and realize you have more energy than you intended.
 
burn2shine said:
All I'm gonna say is that there aren't any studies on mephedrone and people do have bad reactions to it even at a dose they've done before and been fine (myself included), I would really think twice about combining these two. Not a lot is known about mephedrone and what is known isn't encouraging, it's fun as shit and I know you're probably gonna do it until you have a bad reaction, but mixing it with another stimulant is just tempting fate.
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I'm sure I'm probably alone (or certainly in the minority) in this, but the rhetoric on mephedrone needs to stop. Telling people a chemical is bad for them is what is done in schools and is not harm reductive.

Abstinence promotes ignorance. Information promotes knowledge.

Here are my feelings. Some people have bad reactions to mephedrone. Some people also have bad reactions to all the drugs done on this site. Our goal is to provide information on how to most safely engage in these drugs -- not to say "let's not do this". The only study I know on mephedrone is a survey from Mixmag (a rave culture magazine) that says 15% of users report cold or blue fingers. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/10004383) I guess I haven't experienced the negative side effects of mephedrone. Even when I took too much as an initial dose this past weekend I never experienced cold or blue anything -- I was pouring sweat =P Vasoconstriction from 4-methylephedrine is about all we know about mephedrone. I think in the end we'll find mephedrone has its pluses and minuses -- like any drug we do.

I do agree with your final point, though. This is what did me in with the methylone and mephedrone combo -- I was FAR too stimulated. Reached a fever of 40`C / 101.9'F and sat outside in the cool air with a fan blowing on me (I had already gotten water with lime juice added for electrolytes).

I've also heard that the mephedrone overpowers the MDMA when the two are combined from a post in this community from another forum. I don't know how true this is, but after experiencing methylone and mephedrone, I have absolutely no intention of trying it.
 
meph feels a lot like coke to me, and not near mdma.

fairly quick come up and i'm tempted to redose every hour or so because its short lasting. i get a bit of euphoria, but it feels pretty speedy to me. no magic like ecstasy and i feel like i have to redose everytime I come down. I can see how the binges can result.

Comedown was very very bad. I never have bad mdma comedowns, but i crashed hard the next day and was pretty depressed.
 
Newbierock said:
^ I Bet a hundred notes this guys never had proper mdma. mephedrone better...pffft
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I feel, after having done MDMA last Thursday (a very magical roll at that) and having done MDMA last Saturday that I find mephedrone to be far superiour to MDMA in more ways than just the complete lack of hangover and gentle "drop-off" as opposed to the drawn out drama-fest of the MDMA comedown.

Those arguing that we know nothing about mephedrone and more about MDMA as an argument need to understand that research SHOULD be done on mephedrone and I'm fairly certain we'll find it's gentler on the brain than MDMA in at least one key way.

Brain zaps on MDMA I've heard after two to three days of abuse -- for me it was always four or five. Mephedrone I've heard of people going for two week benders on the stuff (which I suppose is, in and of itself, a con) until they experienced brain zaps.

We don't fully understand what brain zaps are (they're related to epilepsy -- http://www.epilepsy.com/node/962506 ), but they're most certainly not good. I agree we need to take precautions with mephedrone, but if we're talking the high -- I'll take 4-mmc > mdma any day of the week. Same goes for the immediate side effects -- especially for those who have lost the magic and know the hell that is a suicide tuesday.
 
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