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Mephedrone Megathread: Five heart attacks later...

I believe in a truly 'free' world were personal choice would dictate our actions the weaker among us would simply fade away...

That is the real world.

I an ideal world, I would agree with Shambles, but in that world I would have a harem tenfold his :)

Prohibition exists to protect the weak, and to enforce the naive... Everyone else in-between
just has to find a way...
 
Of course we could just all become Freeman's and then the drug laws would have no bearing on us!! =D
 
The Kid said:
Informed choice? You are giving them too much credit!!
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I think a lot of people who are unsure of the benefits of legalisation are thinking too short term. Would everybody suddenly become sensible, responsible and knowledgeable drug users overnight? Nup. Would there be a big spike in drug-related problems in the short-term? Yup. Would those problems decrease over time as the novelty factor wore off and drugs became just another aspect of life - a range of possibilities for having fun? I believe so.

It's taken many, many years of prohibition to get to the state we're in now and it will take at least as long for that to right itself. The ridiculous state of the legal high market is just another symptom of that. The benefits of legalisation would probably take at least a generation to really shine through but would be very much worth it. People have always sought ways to alter their consciousness for a multitude of reasons and always will. Keeping drugs illegal just increases the harm to the individual and to the wider society whilst lining the pockets of scum. There isn't a single valid reason for prohibition, in my opinion. This meph malarky makes that even clearer in my mind.
 
After the first line this became my favorite stimulant. Why I like it over everything else? Duration is perfect - between MDMA and coke. Effects are perfect - between MDMA and coke, taking the best from each. Doesn't make me jittery, no paranoia/anxiety how I get with any other stimulant (except MDMA), I can EAT while I'm peaking which is a first and after two hours since the peak ended I can go to sleep - which is again a first for stimulants. Very easy comedown even after being high for 6 straight hours on this shit.

What I dislike is that it's pretty fiendish. Not coke-fiendish but moreso than speed.
 
The Kid said:
I can't help doubt my own position when "educated" drug users are going so mental on meph.
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Yep. Natural reaction when faced with the dominant ideology that constantly tells us we need saving from ourselves because drugz are bad. But....

Shambles said:
I see that as another argument in favour or complete legalisation with the emphasis put on information, education and harm reduction rather than a reason to ban it. When meph is banned it'll probably sink back into obscurity cos it's hardly the best drug out there ...

As things stand, banning meph will most likely mean it continues to be sold only cut with fuck knows what making it even more dangerous. Keep it legal and legalise everything else too. If those "uneducated" users who cane multiple grams cos "legal stuff's safe innit" had the facts to go on and the choice of buying that or MDMA or coke or speed or whatever what would they be buying? None of them are exactly good for you but at least they would be making an informed choice and the money saved from the War on Drugs bullshit could be put into education and addiction treatment instead.
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And...

Shambles said:
I think a lot of people who are unsure of the benefits of legalisation are thinking too short term. Would everybody suddenly become sensible, responsible and knowledgeable drug users overnight? Nup. Would there be a big spike in drug-related problems in the short-term? Yup. Would those problems decrease over time as the novelty factor wore off and drugs became just another aspect of life - a range of possibilities for having fun? I believe so.

It's taken many, many years of prohibition to get to the state we're in now and it will take at least as long for that to right itself. The ridiculous state of the legal high market is just another symptom of that. The benefits of legalisation would probably take at least a generation to really shine through but would be very much worth it. People have always sought ways to alter their consciousness for a multitude of reasons and always will. Keeping drugs illegal just increases the harm to the individual and to the wider society whilst lining the pockets of scum. There isn't a single valid reason for prohibition, in my opinion. This meph malarky makes that even clearer in my mind.
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Especially this.

Thanks for saving me the typing Shambles.


Mephedrone may be legal. But it ain't regulated. It's a boring word but...

LEGALIZATION and REGULATION.
 
Baron was telling us all back in December that Meph once a week for a month had been great for him, and 10 months later he may have fallen down down down the slope. We don't know If he has really done 70g in the last month, it could be a typing error or it may have been shared with others.
It might be all for him though.

It would appear though that since Jan/Feb this drug has snowballed right on down an everest size mountain. And many people do not notice how far they are into it or how many others are also.
This thread or its successor is most likely going to become the RIP thread.
And its all because its relatively cheap and easy to come by....and toxic and addictive as fuck to many.

The hospital ICU's await the conclusion of this thread:|
 
^ Then again, and i'm playing devils advocate here, it seems that there is massive use going on and has anyone died from it? I remember everyone going on about "Killer ecstacy" and that was hardly true either!!
 
I certainly hope no one dies from here on, but the MDMA killer drug thing was a media created frenzy, mainly because people were taking it in hot warehouses and being denied water. Or the Leah Betts scenario.
The drone isn't mdma or speed or any of the not very toxic at all drugs. It probably has a limited toxicity and once in month, with a reasonable amount of water and not in a warehouse wearing 10 layers of clothes on a NYE it won't fuck you up.
But as all of us readers to this thread and its brethren are aware 80 hours without sleep and a continous dose of drone and 70g a month are way beyond the stuff people were getting up to in 1990.
 
Hey its only been popular for less than a year after all! I know that there were people for and against early in the year. I bought 2 g and did them over 4 months because I found it not to my preference.
Others have started with the odd g and then brought out the 70g figure with the possibility that they are telling the truth.
This thread had got more and more negative in the last 7 months as I've been following it all the way.
 
The Kid said:
^ Then again, and i'm playing devils advocate here, it seems that there is massive use going on and has anyone died from it? I remember everyone going on about "Killer ecstacy" and that was hardly true either!!
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I don't believe there are any confirmed deaths from use of meph alone yet, but from what I've read it's the long-term damage to the heart that's the worry rather than the acute symptoms. The problem isn't so much that people are dropping like flies cos the stuff is an instakilla it's more that a few years down the line there's gonna be a lotta people whose hearts are totally fucked. The really worrying thing is that those people will probably have stopped taking the stuff years ago and not realised that the damage was already done. The silent ticking timebomb kinda thing :\

From what I recall, the early MDMA deaths were almost all down to the government giving out terrible advice which people followed and died as a result of - all that drink a swimming pool's worth of water every five minutes if you're on ecstasy stuff that killed Leah Betts and others. MDMA has been used for nearly 50 years (admittedly only in a widespread way for 20-odd years) so there's at least some evidence for the lack of any real serious long-term effects. Meph has only existed for five minutes and already has a few deaths (not directly attributed as the sole factor, admittedly) but it's the long-term damage that seems to be the big problem with it.

BB: It is certainly fascinating to see how over the course of five megathreads EADDers seems to have gone from loving the stuff to mostly swearing off of it. Harm reduction in action :)
 
Shambles said:
BB: It is certainly fascinating to see how over the course of five megathreads EADDers seems to have gone from loving the stuff to mostly swearing off of it. Harm reduction in action :)
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Certain people did a 180* swing around the summer, but this is all about its initial problems rather than the long term horrors. And is this thread the only one where people just keep on buying the huge bulk doses no matter what they've gone through?
Hell I've got my problems with GBL, and keep going back, but more like 250ml ever few months and then some recovery. If I had loads of money I wouldn't buy a gallon of the stuff now, as I'm aware of the deep dark shit I would enter into. Whereas some people here are just going back out 3 weeks later and caning another 10g's, despite knowing how low they may get.

Still I think the Geordie contingent may have to attempt to stage an intervention on the Baron if he really is doing those sort of figures. Thats like me drinking 3 litres of guice a month or something:|
 
I think the reason EADD is meph central is cos it's legal here - in the US and Oz (and many other places) it's scheduled under analogue laws so they have less of it to play with. Most of the world is still in the honeymoon period with the stuff but EADD seems to be filing for divorce.

Baron's a big boy (although 2 stones less big than he was 8o) and sure he knows that takin 70g of a completely unresearched and virtually guaranteed to be pretty seriously toxic chemical is way beyond stooopid. I don't believe in interventions but hope all is well with him. Look after yourself, Baron <3
 
Don't any of you think all this Meph doom and gloom is just a little over the top? I mean sure the big boys in ADD think it's probably somewhat toxic, but considering its popularity and the reported dosages people have been taking, it seems a little bizarre that there hasn't really been any concrete evidence at all for it being seriously toxic.
 
I think however toxic it is the amount people are taking is fucking moronic.
 
From what I gather, the ADD posse are talking about the metabolites that meph breaks down to in the body after consumption which are known to be toxic - that's not speculation. From the little I know, many of the drugs in that particular family (cathinones, I believe) are toxic to varying degrees so it would be a surprise if a chemical that's related to other known toxic chemicals and is known to have toxic metabolites is somehow not toxic, no?

On the other hand, I don't think that any good comes from telling people they're idiots for taking it cos that only makes things worse. There has to be a balance. Unless you are one of the lurkers who only recently registered you maybe missed the EADD honeymoon period when everybody loved the stuff. Some still do (mostly those that use it with some degree of caution and not too often) but even the most ardent meph fans are discovering the bad sides now. Hopefully there's not too much damage done.

With suitable moderation I'm sure the odd night on meph is not really any worse than a coke session or whatever, but many people seem to find the stuff highly addictive and are using for days on end. That can't be good. As a HR site we have to point out the risks, but also acknowledge the fun side. In meph's case, with some exceptions, many don't seem to be able to use responsibly cos it's so damn fiendish :\
 
But taking double digit doses of any drug would be moronic. I've done maybe 2-3 grams in the past 8 weeks or so, similar to the quantitiy of mdma I'd consume if I could get it and although I'm not as happy about it (with regrards to health effetcs) as I was with mdma, I still don't think its as bad as it's being made out to be on here. I still feel that while not being first choice it's an ok drug to go out on.
 
I pretty much agree, Esoterik. Most drugs have their problems but there really does seem to be a particular problem with meph for many. I'm about as far from an anti-drug propagandist as you can get and have taken obscene quantities of more stims than you could probably name, but meph is different and not in a good way. I completely poo-pooed the idea that it had some special nastiness about it cos I don't go in for anti-drug bullshit, but meph definitely feels wrong - especially when used in excess.

I'm sure that the odd gram on a weekend now and again won't do any real damage but for many sticking to that just isn't possible. You only have to look through this thread and the other meph threads to see that many are using the stuff to hideous excess. Crackheads would be shocked at the way some folks fiend for the stuff.

Doom and gloom is not the whole story, but it's an important part of it and after that initial honeymoon period it's coming out into the open cos the downsides are becoming more apparent by the day even to the most ardent devotees. Use it (sparingly) by all means, just don't abuse it.
 
Anyone with asthma ever try mephedrone? Or methylone? I have a friend who'd like to try one or both of these but I'm hesitant to give her any considering the vasoconstrictive properties. So any experiences or thoughts on this?
 
Hi to you all,1st post on your meph thread,and read the same as most forums,it does cause a lot of side effects,heard of boils that pus ooze's out.Just a bit toxic,my plants on M1 and then Its stopping till christmas.Thats the plan......When do you think it will be stopped?
 
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