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MattPD
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^^In theory, if you know exactly how much is on each blotter.
But unless you personally know the chemist there is no way to make an estimation like that.
Anyways, noone can tell you how much is too much.
But unless you personally know the chemist there is no way to make an estimation like that.
Anyways, noone can tell you how much is too much.
PeoplesMind
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Blotters these days tend to run much less, like 30-75ug/blotter.
What people consider "Killer" blotter (Or the best out there) is usually about 100ug/hit. Doses for LSD tend to be over exaggurated by dealers, and therefore overestimated by members of the drug-buying public. Most blotter these days are very low grade, for the same price that 6x the LSD would have sold for in the 60s-70s. Back then it was abotu Learyism and enlightenment, and now it's based too much on supply/demand/profit/gettingfkedup
Oh and too much is once you reach psychosis. There have been more than one reported verifiable death on LSD, but do not fret, the doses were hundreds or thousands of times an average "street hit."
peace,
Nitin
What people consider "Killer" blotter (Or the best out there) is usually about 100ug/hit. Doses for LSD tend to be over exaggurated by dealers, and therefore overestimated by members of the drug-buying public. Most blotter these days are very low grade, for the same price that 6x the LSD would have sold for in the 60s-70s. Back then it was abotu Learyism and enlightenment, and now it's based too much on supply/demand/profit/gettingfkedup
Oh and too much is once you reach psychosis. There have been more than one reported verifiable death on LSD, but do not fret, the doses were hundreds or thousands of times an average "street hit."
peace,
Nitin
Psilo707
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Only one official death has been reported by LSD. It was a man who accidentally mistook it for another substance and IV'd it into his arm... literally millions of hits.
Only one official death has been reported by LSD. It was a man who accidentally mistook it for another substance and IV'd it into his arm... literally millions of hits.
bluedolphin
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Nitin I think your modern day blotter estimations are a bit low...
The majority of blotters are layed at 100 micrograms per hit assuming perfect purity of the crystal. The silver crystal that most people have been eating for the last year is at least 80% pure, and I believe the vision sheets that made quite a round in the east and midwest were layed at double the usual potency.
I don't think there are any blotters being sold with 30 micrograms unless they are degraded or unperforated and you're getting ripped off by someone cutting out a small hit for you.
I think relatively good acid is back, at least for a while.
Nitin I think your modern day blotter estimations are a bit low...
The majority of blotters are layed at 100 micrograms per hit assuming perfect purity of the crystal. The silver crystal that most people have been eating for the last year is at least 80% pure, and I believe the vision sheets that made quite a round in the east and midwest were layed at double the usual potency.
I don't think there are any blotters being sold with 30 micrograms unless they are degraded or unperforated and you're getting ripped off by someone cutting out a small hit for you.
I think relatively good acid is back, at least for a while.
Chubba75
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I believe my blotters were 100ug (me dealer said they were around there), I had a pretty intense trip off 4, but I did pay through the nose for them (AUD$25 a blotter). I have had acid for which I paid MUCH less, and it didn't ever come near these blotters.
I wish I could find that dude again, because I have yet to find any acid that good... I must agree that acid today is of pretty poor quality. I've completely abadoned acid for this reason, but at least I had one awesome lsd trip.
I think you should leave 6 months between lsd trips... ideally a year. I know this seems like such a long time, but lsd isn't a drug you want to abuse.
I wish I could find that dude again, because I have yet to find any acid that good... I must agree that acid today is of pretty poor quality. I've completely abadoned acid for this reason, but at least I had one awesome lsd trip.
I think you should leave 6 months between lsd trips... ideally a year. I know this seems like such a long time, but lsd isn't a drug you want to abuse.
My very first acid trip was a 1,000 ug Purple Owsley Oval.
The only other acid trip of note was a 250 ug Sandoz, about a year later.
All my other trips were good, excellent, but, in reality, just attempts to recreate the learning I had received from these two trips. The point I want to make is that, in reality, one good acid trip per lifetime is sufficient. I know it doesn't stop us from seeking, but that is my reality.
You have been blessed by that trip.
:D
:D
The only other acid trip of note was a 250 ug Sandoz, about a year later.
All my other trips were good, excellent, but, in reality, just attempts to recreate the learning I had received from these two trips. The point I want to make is that, in reality, one good acid trip per lifetime is sufficient. I know it doesn't stop us from seeking, but that is my reality.
You have been blessed by that trip.
:D
:Dmad_chemist
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you can never have too much.
I suggest you pick up the essential "Psychedelics Encyclopedia" (Stafford) and do some reading.
I checked it out from the library (again) a couple days ago; very influential reading
I suggest you pick up the essential "Psychedelics Encyclopedia" (Stafford) and do some reading.
I checked it out from the library (again) a couple days ago; very influential reading
PeoplesMind
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Psilo707 said:
No, like I had stated there has been more than one. In fact two I can cite off the top of my head.
1) IV of 320mg LSD.
2) 1953 LSD death in the army tests.
There may be more which I am unaware of, in fact, I'm almost certain there are more...
bluedolphin : I was judging on analysis done on blotter which has been tested around here, often times with me present. LSD is overestimated as far as dosage. Personally, theres some great blotters around here(which have been tested @ 100ug) at $3/hit. (not sayin i do illegal stuff
)peace,
Nitin
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Any chance this cite (Bad Trip 3/13, mescaline derivitive, Harold Blauer) is the one you refer to? If it is, then it refers to a "mescaline derivitive", not LSD
http://www.kcl.ac.uk/lhcma/cats/badtrip/xb10-01-.htm#xb10S03
BADTRIP: 3/13 1980-1992
'Guinea-pigs: Harold Blauer'. News articles and papers relating to death of Harold Blauer as result of injection of Experimental Agent 1298 at New York State Psychiatric Institute, 8 Jan 1953, the revelation by the US Army in 1975 that the cause of death was a lethal dose of a mescaline derivative . ( Experimental Agent 1298 ), and subsequent court proceedings of Blauer's daughter Elizabeth Barrett. Includes copies of Blauer's medical case notes.
This next cite claims only *one* known death, 320 mg IV, *not* oral. That would represent thousands of oral doses, not *millions*, if my math is correct (1000 x 320 ug = 320 mg.). Then again, I am not familiar with IV LSD, perhaps 320 mg *does* represent "millions" of IV doses.
No matter how you look at it, LSD is a (physically) pretty safe substance.
Psychologically, Spiritually, prepare your self well.
PeoplesMind
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i am leet haxor.
I know LSD is pretty safe. The point is that there is more than one death on the substance. I will give full citations if i can find them at this moment.
That 1975 case was pretty intresting. The 320mg IV was a pretty intresting study. It can be found on PubMed (if you can afford to buy documents--god bless universities hehe). I never mentioned it was millions of hits? (EDIT : Ah, i now see you werent addressing me BeachHome)
Citation for the 320mg : Griggs, E.A., and Ward, M. LSD toxicity: a suspected cause of death.: The Journal of the Kentucky Medical Association. April, 1977: 172-3.
That mescaline isn't what I'm citing. Intresting to read though Thanks for that info. I was talking off the top of my head, so when i looked up this 1953 death it does not count. It was behaviorial toxicity, not toxicity which killed this man.
There is also an intresting study in my archives somewhere of a group of people snorting 80-90% LSD tartrate, if I recall correctly, the study claims at least 3 of the people would have died if they had not received medical treatment. The truth in this diagnosis, I do not know. But the situation was real... (EDIT : citation for this is Klock, J.C., Boerner, U., and Becker, C.E.: Coma, hyperthermia and bleeding associated with massive LSD overdose: a report of eight cases. The Western Journal of Medicine 120(3):183-8, 1974.)
Now, another case which is important is a death of a 25-year old man who died from toxicity. The man had roughly 1/2 the above (the LSD snorters) LSD in his blood.
Citation for this one is Fysh, R.R., Oon, M.C.H., Robinson, K.N., Smith, R.N., White, P.C. and Whitehouse, M.J.: A fatal poisoning with LSD. Forensic Science International 28:109-13, 1985.
Oh yes, one more death.
"A fatal poisoning with LSD" . Forensic Sci Int 1985 Jun-Jul;28(2):109-13 Fysh RR, Oon MC, Robinson KN, Smith RN, White PC, Whitehouse MJ.
Thats the second one. I forget the dosage on that one, but it was once again some absurdidly high dose.
SO, what does this shit mean?
LSD causing fatal toxicity in humans : 2 (possibly 3)
LSD causing a close call to fatal toxicity : 3-8+
peace,
Nitin
I know LSD is pretty safe. The point is that there is more than one death on the substance. I will give full citations if i can find them at this moment.
That 1975 case was pretty intresting. The 320mg IV was a pretty intresting study. It can be found on PubMed (if you can afford to buy documents--god bless universities hehe). I never mentioned it was millions of hits? (EDIT : Ah, i now see you werent addressing me BeachHome)
Citation for the 320mg : Griggs, E.A., and Ward, M. LSD toxicity: a suspected cause of death.: The Journal of the Kentucky Medical Association. April, 1977: 172-3.
That mescaline isn't what I'm citing. Intresting to read though
Thanks for that info. I was talking off the top of my head, so when i looked up this 1953 death it does not count. It was behaviorial toxicity, not toxicity which killed this man.There is also an intresting study in my archives somewhere of a group of people snorting 80-90% LSD tartrate, if I recall correctly, the study claims at least 3 of the people would have died if they had not received medical treatment. The truth in this diagnosis, I do not know. But the situation was real... (EDIT : citation for this is Klock, J.C., Boerner, U., and Becker, C.E.: Coma, hyperthermia and bleeding associated with massive LSD overdose: a report of eight cases. The Western Journal of Medicine 120(3):183-8, 1974.)
Now, another case which is important is a death of a 25-year old man who died from toxicity. The man had roughly 1/2 the above (the LSD snorters) LSD in his blood.
Citation for this one is Fysh, R.R., Oon, M.C.H., Robinson, K.N., Smith, R.N., White, P.C. and Whitehouse, M.J.: A fatal poisoning with LSD. Forensic Science International 28:109-13, 1985.
Oh yes, one more death.
"A fatal poisoning with LSD" . Forensic Sci Int 1985 Jun-Jul;28(2):109-13 Fysh RR, Oon MC, Robinson KN, Smith RN, White PC, Whitehouse MJ.
Thats the second one. I forget the dosage on that one, but it was once again some absurdidly high dose.
SO, what does this shit mean?
LSD causing fatal toxicity in humans : 2 (possibly 3)
LSD causing a close call to fatal toxicity : 3-8+
peace,
Nitin
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Well I did a fair amount of potent acid in the early 70's along with many other psychedelic drugs and a shitload of cannabis and..... shit I forget what I'm typing. Seriously though, I don't know if I did a lot of brain damage but I can tell you that after I stopped I was able to attend school and finish near the top of my class in a health care profession(not an easy course) so I would say that I am still functioning at above normal as far as IQ goes. In terms of free radical damage to certain parts of the brain, I am sure there must have been some as I am not kidding. I really did do a lot of drugs. But everything has a price. perhaps I'll develop Alzheimer's or something. Drugs use carries unknown risks. That is just the way it is. There are no free rides.
Just as an aside for Mike, the original poster,You really got to be careful with acid...If your dealer tells you it is 100ugs a hit, chances are your estimates as as good as his as he most likely has no cue...My advice for you would be, whenever getting a new batch take 1 to asses how potent it is and work it up...even same strips from same sheets can have significant variantions in content, so you might sample the weaker of the blotters that hit 5 of the strongest ones and trip unwittingly hard....
Even toughu acid is great most of the times, you do not want to get locked in a bad trip for 14 hours, trust me on that one...
Jus as an exepmle, latelyu we got our hands os some liguid acid that ois reallly a bumpy ride...one drop juts makes you woozy byt 2 or 3 can sen you thru the roff...
Even toughu acid is great most of the times, you do not want to get locked in a bad trip for 14 hours, trust me on that one...
Jus as an exepmle, latelyu we got our hands os some liguid acid that ois reallly a bumpy ride...one drop juts makes you woozy byt 2 or 3 can sen you thru the roff...
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VictorBorge
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^^ Most of the literature says 3-4 days for tolerance to subside, so theoretically you could trip once a week at least and not be wasting it. I can't say I've tried it this often, but I bet others on BL have.
ALso, chemically you could probably trip weekly, but spiritually/mentally, you'd no doubt be exhausted or bored after I while, and this might equate to "tolerance" in terms of the value you get from it.
ALso, chemically you could probably trip weekly, but spiritually/mentally, you'd no doubt be exhausted or bored after I while, and this might equate to "tolerance" in terms of the value you get from it.
i know a guy who ate 50 tabs of 150mic blotter. it was pretty decent trip, left the head feeling rahter clouded though, so not the cleanest of acid. But this boy has with out a doubt changed, and from my talkings with him very much doubt he will return to how he was.
ObscureDreamer
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First time doing acid tomorrow, any hints?
Well the time has come that I am going to try out acid. I have always been really scared to try it because I always thought that you lose control on acid and that you can't tell the difference between real and not. But upon talking to many acid users, they all say, acid is drug everyone should experience once and that you know when you see the walls swirling and stuff that you know you're just trippin.
I decided that I would do it on monday night while on mushrooms and my b/f was on acid that I would do acid. Another friend of mine had come over also monday night and also did acid and she had fun. Both my b/f and my friend only did 1/2 tab. That's all I'm going to do also.
Any tips on how to make it an amazing experince? I am planning on doing it during the day around noon on wednseday. I just have to find someone to stay with me while my b/f is at college.
Well the time has come that I am going to try out acid. I have always been really scared to try it because I always thought that you lose control on acid and that you can't tell the difference between real and not. But upon talking to many acid users, they all say, acid is drug everyone should experience once and that you know when you see the walls swirling and stuff that you know you're just trippin.
I decided that I would do it on monday night while on mushrooms and my b/f was on acid that I would do acid. Another friend of mine had come over also monday night and also did acid and she had fun. Both my b/f and my friend only did 1/2 tab. That's all I'm going to do also.
Any tips on how to make it an amazing experince? I am planning on doing it during the day around noon on wednseday. I just have to find someone to stay with me while my b/f is at college.