This is pure blasphemy! Anyone who has actually researched both Cannabinoids extensively would wholeheartedly agree that 5f-THJ-018 (THJ2201) in no way resembles the wonderful JWH250 & it's overall effects.
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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 4
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LeeviON
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I'm coming off a trip which in the end had a kind of negative headspace around it (due to having a bad trip but steering it back) so I don't know if this is just me still sort of "panicking" inside my head or what
So I've been smoking 5F-AKB48 and other synthetics (none that were 5-fluorinated if that makes any difference) and now my knees (the joint in the middle of my legs) feel sort of bloated.
I can't tell if it's just tactile hallucination or a real feeling but I didn't notice it at all before the end of my trip.
During the day I also felt like I was pissing a lot (pale in color) but I could've just been drinking a lot of fluids and forgetting about it.
So is it just me flipping out or could I have kidney damage/similar?
Some blood & urine tests were taken a week or two ago to determine if I had had seizures or a concussion and I think they turned out normal. But I don't know exactly which levels they took so I don't know if that has anything to do with this.
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How fast is the formation of kidney damage/failure due to cannabinoids anyway?
Weeks? Years?
So I've been smoking 5F-AKB48 and other synthetics (none that were 5-fluorinated if that makes any difference) and now my knees (the joint in the middle of my legs) feel sort of bloated.
I can't tell if it's just tactile hallucination or a real feeling but I didn't notice it at all before the end of my trip.
During the day I also felt like I was pissing a lot (pale in color) but I could've just been drinking a lot of fluids and forgetting about it.
So is it just me flipping out or could I have kidney damage/similar?
Some blood & urine tests were taken a week or two ago to determine if I had had seizures or a concussion and I think they turned out normal. But I don't know exactly which levels they took so I don't know if that has anything to do with this.
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How fast is the formation of kidney damage/failure due to cannabinoids anyway?
Weeks? Years?
DrGreenthumb
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Cannabis flowers are much better, then you don't need to bath them in untested chemicals & perfume.
jeremysdemo
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ok 5 post wonder, it's obviousl you know everything there is having been in the scene so long.
But I bet these "anyones" you know do not lab test their products, therefore they don't really know what cannabinoids there are even researching, let alone comparing them to others from the past.
I've had crystal forms (none of the powder sludge crap) of both products, pure beautiful clear crystal cylinders with GC lab results so I am not speaking out of ignorance hoping my vendor sent me the correct product so I can leave a right review of it. I have no doubt whatever your vendor sent you as THJ2201 did not resemble JWH250, but I also doubt your experiece with JWH-250 can be validated in any way either.
jeremysdemo
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my chems are not untested, pure grain alcohol, 99%, made for human consumption EVerclear is the brand.
LeeviON
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Has anyone smoked synths ( namely 5f-AKB48 ) at the end of acid trips? It boosts the psychedelic mindspace & mindfuck like crazy! I'm a noob in biochemistry / drug interactions in the body so this is probably a stupid question but I remember someone talking about possible MAO activity with some new synthetics. Could've been either MAO A or B. Could this be what's going on with the boosting effect? Or perhaps some 5HT-activity? Or is it just simply how cannabinoid receptors "interact" with serotonin receptors?
Edit: ↓ Thanks for the answer, DrGreenthumb!
Edit: ↓ Thanks for the answer, DrGreenthumb!
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DrGreenthumb
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But that's not synthetic or a cannabinoid & hopefully you're evaporating the alcohol off.
Are you saying you're using well researched synthetic cannabinoids? Ones known not to have any bad consequences for health? I haven't tried them all & it's maybe unfair to generalise, but 5-AKB48 felt pretty toxic to me.
Or have you seen the light & started making hash oil?
LeeviON, real cannabis will boost trips without risking any problems that might be caused by synthetic cannabinoids. 5f-akb48 just made me feel ill & gave me kidney pains after a couple of weeks. As far as I know there hasn't been enough research to tell you exactly what it does, but cannabinoids & cannabis do interact with psychedelics.
And before jeremy says it wasn't 5F-AKB48 that made me ill, I sent the rest of the bag to WEDINOS drug testing service & they confirmed it was.
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jeremysdemo
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considering it is 190 proof alcohol, ya it is all evaporating off, lol
and why would I say something that made you ill was not what you think it was? especially since you have lab reports from wedinos? I only said that because 90% of the reports on here about various research chems cannot be confirmed that said review is really about the research chem being discussed. I know I pay for lab reports for my shizzle (no offense to Wedionos but they are less then accurate in my experience when compared to other labs and newer chems)
5F derivatives have made a lot of people ill, it's common and a known factor of poor manufacturing techniques that leave impurities in the products many of which are toxic.
NiceEnough
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I have tried about three of these synthetic cannabinoids, the ones I can remember being AB-FUBINACA and BB-22 and one quaintly labelled as 'train wreck'!. They are all extremely potent, much more psychedelic than natural cannabinoids and much more of a head-f**k. I have enjoyed them the same way I might enjoy a very strong psychedelic where you have to hold on to your seat. However, for your average user I think they are also much more dangerous than the real thing, even though the levels of THC in many brands of 'skunk' I believe make it equally dangerous. Good healthy natural cannabis with a decent balance of THC, CBD and other cannibinoids seems to be the way forward, please correct me if I am wrong. I have to say I personally wouldn't smoke any of these. And I would not say that about something as powerful as DMT. So that says something. And not that they didn't give me something.
NiceEnough
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p.s. the one labelled 'train wreck' really was awful - a true cannibinoid nightmare. I threw that one away immediately!
treezy z
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can someone give me an idea of the potency of ab-chminaca vs ab-pinaca vs ab-fubinaca?
LeeviON
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Has anyone had a problem with daily use (esp. when smoking before going to sleep) where they'd wake up after 4-6 hours of sleep (for me, usually at 6am or so) with the sheets completely wet from sweat? What's up with that?
DubbyCee
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No thx... I've had a good friend diend from that shit, not calling you crazy, but I've heard horror stories.
Be smart snd safe!
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Be smart snd safe!
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DrGreenthumb
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Wedinos seem fairly good if it's something they've tested before & it's a free service, so can't complain too much. They don't say anything about any inactive contaminants or the purity, but if it's a known drug then they'll identify it, they just sometimes have problems testing brand new stuff. I only sent it to wedinos to get rid of it without polluting the rubbish dump or water supply with that toxic shit.
It looked clean, nice white crystals, no funny smells or anything & it was from a very reputable supplier who claims to source all their chemicals from their own EU based lab, so I doubt it was contaminants causing my problem, I think it was the drug itself. All the other UK legal cannabinoids I could buy had got even worse reviews and/or seemed like dirty synths.
What a bunch of gibberish! Obviously, you are the one that has been mislead by your vendors, where you assumed incorrectly you were assaying JWH-250 when it's quite apparent you actually had a completely different substance.
Individuals that have legitimately researched both JWH-250 & THJ-2201 wouldn't even dare make such ridiculous statements.
THJ Cannabinoids, specifically 5f-thj-018 (THJ-2201) with the fluorine atom DOES NOT exhibit any similarity or likeness to JWH-250 or any of the other commonly known JWH series Cannabinoids for that matter, dumb wanna-be guru.
LeeviON
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Jeremysdemo said in the post that he has lab tested his noids, so instead of calling him dumb and pretty much repeating your earlier post why don't you write something constructive
LeeviON
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Btw this NM-2201 stuff I got is weird.. gives a quite nice feeling but (unless something other was coincidentally going on) it gives your pee a slight greenish tint (Edit: I really don't know if I'm just imagining it or not.. Edit2: By smoking more the urine became more clearly green, so I didn't imagine it) also vaped it tastes horrible, the taste reminds me of something else, probably some synth noid but I can't remember which.
Yesterday I noticed the green urine first I think, like an hour after spending some time chasing the NM-2201 off foil. Today morning I peed the first few times normally, then switched from 5F-AKB48 to NM-2201 and once again a bit later my piss is green.
Is it just some weird metabolite being excreted in the urine? Here's the structure:
(Source: Cayman Chemical)
Yesterday I noticed the green urine first I think, like an hour after spending some time chasing the NM-2201 off foil. Today morning I peed the first few times normally, then switched from 5F-AKB48 to NM-2201 and once again a bit later my piss is green.
Is it just some weird metabolite being excreted in the urine? Here's the structure:
(Source: Cayman Chemical)
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yheaa me to im tring to get rid of 300g grams of those im doing 5g to 60g plant material on acetone and im ordering some other weed with flavour to disguise the taste and smell .. so i was wondering is there a tutorial in who to add taste and smell to my own canibanoids???
LeeviON
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Hey, are you talking about NM-2201? If so, do you have experience on chasing it from aluminium foil? Did it leave a dark spot behind?
Is it white/very pale pink fine powder?
As for adding taste I hear simply drying, grinding and mixing mint leaves in can give a nice taste and mask the chemical taste at least a bit. I have no experience with making blends though so I can't speak for that.