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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 4

i found a new world with these today not oral doesn't before c-lig sorry Jeremy i know you warned but it was free sorry lol totally different going on isn't it damn stuff floored me it soaked in through my skin it had to hits hard slight head ache then fuck total loss of control ego trip super-sized the fucker
 
LeeviON said:
Yeah, I get this too (usually accompanied with immense sweating) - last night I woke up at about 4am, partly because I was sweating so much that I was shivering because of how cold my bed was :| I took a hit and went back to sleep. I woke up the same way about three hours later, took a few hits and started my day.


Well I've resisted to buy any mixes since day one and only been smoking pure powders with aluminium foil, straw, lighter, and the tip of a knife to measure doses (haven't OD'd like that to this day, unlike when rolling joints..)

Did you use anything to help you stop using cannabinoids, Drew.? I put about .1 grams of 5F-AKB48 powder in a safe place so when I run out I can at least try lowering my dose with that before I completely run out. I'm also hoping to get some benzos but then again I was addicted to benzos for a bit under a year, I had to once stop cold turkey after being on them 24/7, of course with 10 x therapeutic doses, for about 6-7 months. It was hell. I started using again a few weeks later and then thank god got a script for diazepam and enough self-control to keep within the daily dose.

Hm, got a bit sidetracked..

Also, I've succesfully used a BIT less cannabinoids (via smoking/vaping) simply by taking a low dose of 5F in an edible 2-3 times a day.
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Yes, I did. But not because I wanted to. They were thrown out of stores. My addiction then turned to pure cannabis and let me tell you: it was never enough.
I would just some bowl after bowl waiting for an effect. Nothing for months. But I didn't stop.. Eventually my tolerance lowered and now I can get pretty stoned off plain buds again. Thank goodness I didn't ruin something I love so much. I know I was close.
I never go into that store anymore. I'm afraid something else will be there waiting for me.
 
thenightwatch said:
i've been smoking synthetic cannabinoids on and off for 6 years, and cannabis has not been ruined for me yet.

if approached responsibly synthetic cannabinoinds are not immediately destructive to one's life. start with a low dose, don't smoke too often, take tolerance breaks here and there. don't smoke a ton of it before going to class, especially if you're not sure how you react to it. and make sure your doses don't escalate too high -- it takes me two or three months to go through a gram of pure 'noids (more or less time depending on how potent the 'noid in question is).

if approached responsibly the only real concern is potential long term damage that we might be doing to ourselves. and since these things are so new, no one really knows if we might get medical problems that will pop up way down the line. there is a chance that some of these synthetic cannabinoids will be DNA alkylating carcinogens, and many carcinogens take years and years and years before the cancer pops up.
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Disagree. They're highly addictive and can cause seizures, acute kidney injury, delirium and psychosis. Too many synth noid addicts in these parts and they're on par with the crack heads and tweekers. They have some very, very discomforting withdrawal symptoms as well.

This shit is bad news.
 
Drew. said:
I also started getting food backing up in my stomach and it's FINALLY SUBSISDING nearly two years later! It's almost as if it completely slowed my digestive system within my stomach. I would throw up food from 12 hours ago some days.
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Hey, I've been getting the same thing recently. My diet consists 99,9% of coffee, noodles, and microwave pizza, and it's the noodles that are the worst! Every time after eating I can see my stomach being very bloated in the mirror (for up to 18 hours) and I have a really full feeling. And they of course suck in a lot of water so every time I drink it gets worse and more uncomfortable.
Is there a way to avoid/help this other than quitting smoking?
EDIT: I just noticed that it really helps if you simply take a 10-20 minute walk after eating.
Also, am I correct that CB1 receptors mainly reside in the brain, while CB2 receptors are all over your body, notably your digestive tract? Since 5f-AKB48 is mostly a CB2 agonist, it makes sense that it would mess with your digestion. Perhaps ones like AB-FUBINACA that mostly agonize CB1 (0.9nM at CB1 & 23.2 at CB2) wouldn't have this problem?

jeremysdemo said:
it's OD. then again most stories that begin with "I took a deep toke of pure noids" end that way.
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Overdose? Hold on.. I've experienced synth noid overdose (you know, the super-negative and "dirty" headspace, kind of like a bad trip, but simply due to smoking too much) and this wasn't anything like it. This lasts for somewhere around 10-30 seconds, whereas OD would last as long or sometimes longer than the effects of usual dose, right? This feels like something more along the lines of brain not getting enough oxygen, or something like that. I've noticed a correlation between the frequency of this happening, and inhaling deeply & holding it in when taking a toke. Not so much with how much I smoke altogether.

Btw for me vaping pure cannabinoids from foil is (IME) much safer than, say, smoking a J. Why? Because when vaping I can quite accurately control the amount I take per hit and just put the stuff down for a few minutes to see if I'm high enough. When smoking a J (either with dissolved or sprinkled noids) or taking a bong toke for that matter, you get much more at once, and especially with J's it's harder to put it down for a while to wait for the effects (and sometimes i forget there are noids in it, not just ordinary tobacco). The only way I've ever smoked too much was in a joint.

jeremysdemo said:
was your NM-2201 independently lab tested to be sure it was free of adulterates and degradants?
Here is a GC/MS from our lab at usdto.org
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No.. the most I can say is it came from a very reputable and long-time vendor, but I know that doesn't really mean anything. Thanks for the GC/MS! If you don't mind, I'll add it to my original post with the 2d structure.
 
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right i know you lots not to keen on these c-noid liquids but i was thinking of making my own how much would you recon is in these 5 mil liquids ? i know the stuff the use will be less cut than what we get sold as pure noids they aint the cut so do i add a gram to it like i can smoke normally
 
Foolsgold best I can give you is recording how many doses you take a day, and dividing that by how many days the 5ml bottle lasts. Now you know how many doses are in 5ml. So you can just calculate like this: doses in 5ml * (normal dose of that cannabinoid in milligrams / how many puffs you like to take at once) = how much you need to put in total in milligrams.
 
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You can take a syringe (maybe with the needle, to get into the bottle) and draw a certain amount, like 1ml and just use that in the same way. Use a high-gauge (that's the slimmer ones, right?) syringe because you can see the amount more accurately.
Just remember in the end how many ml you calculated it with and change the result accordingly. You don't want to end up putting 5 or 10 times the correct amount o_o (or a 10 times too diluted solution, either)

And needless to say, start with really low doses in case of incorrect calculations, or your scale showing a wrong number, you know.
 
Umm.. yesterday I was at my parents' and had what they described as at first difficulty remembering words, soon slurred speech, and then outright falling on the floor and seizing or something. This landed me into a hospital, where I waited for hours as they ran a battery of tests revealing nothing. I can remember about a minute of being in the hospital.
I didn't connect this then but I had just recently before this "attack" smoked a joint of 5F-AKB48, in which I put a bit too much. Or at least more than usually, as my parents don't really agree on cannabis, not to mention novel synthetic compounds with practically no history of use on humans.
But I digress. What do you think? could 5F've caused this? The doctors thought it might be epilepsy (but they didn't know I'd used synthetic noids), and now all of these messages I've written in this thread seem so.. odd. They don't look like my writing style. I can't remember absolutely anything about this year, or the last really. A few weeks ago an MRI was taken of my head on an unrelated manner, and it revealed nothing, btw.

Yeah. What do you think?
 
Good point, will do. Does anyone (beside me) experience tinnitus whenever smoking 5F-AKB48 or other synthetic noids? What is it caused by, increased blood flow or something?
 
baooozs said:
Disagree. They're highly addictive and can cause seizures, acute kidney injury, delirium and psychosis. Too many synth noid addicts in these parts and they're on par with the crack heads and tweekers. They have some very, very discomforting withdrawal symptoms as well.

This shit is bad news.
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agreed. The only valid reason for using these synths is a TON of drug tests... These are dangerous.

and with the availability of marijuana... jesus.

Some of you choose to use this stuff when weed and hash is everywhere. I CANNOT believe I am reading posts in this thread... from those who live in medical marijuana states.. REALLY!?
 
ChemicalSmiles said:
agreed. The only valid reason for using these synths is a TON of drug tests... These are dangerous.

and with the availability of marijuana... jesus.

Some of you choose to use this stuff when weed and hash is everywhere. I CANNOT believe I am reading posts in this thread... from those who live in medical marijuana states.. REALLY!?
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Some people seek to experience different things with noids, even if at first they expected THC. Some love the cost effectiveness, and the effectiveness of small doses.

My tolerance to normal kush is so high I've considered taking the jump myself and experimenting.
 
If you have a high tolerance to good weed you must be a regular if not a daily toker like myself. I thought it would be cheap but as i smoke daily i find i dont get much at all from the real deal. I went to the dam not so long ago and i couldnt get a good stone at all even with their best isolators apart from my first smoke when i arrived early in the morning after only a couple hours sleep and nothing to eat yet. I also dont sleep as well since i started smoking the synths and i do get a lot more agitated these days when asked to do something different in work. I feel i have just lost confidence in my ability to do my job like i used to. another thing i noticed is a drop in my libido as well and seem to have to urinate a lot more too. I had been smoking regular cannabis daily for thirty odd years but since started on the synths all this has happened.
So my advice would be to anyone who is a heavy smoker of cannabis please dont take up these synthetics or you will most likely regret it.
 
Your brain has a defence mechanism that builds tolerance and decreases the actual feeling/high you get the more you increase your usage. It's just the way the brain can protect itself.
So if you don't get high off kush; and you want to try something 10x stronger - you're just shooting your tolerance up even higher to a point that cannabis will have no effect.

I honestly think it's better to cut back; Even take small breaks between when you would usually smoke and try to slow the regimen down till your tolerance has a chance to decrease.
Or else you'll end up like i was.
 
LeeviON said:
Umm.. yesterday I was at my parents' and had what they described as at first difficulty remembering words, soon slurred speech, and then outright falling on the floor and seizing or something. This landed me into a hospital, where I waited for hours as they ran a battery of tests revealing nothing. I can remember about a minute of being in the hospital.
I didn't connect this then but I had just recently before this "attack" smoked a joint of 5F-AKB48, in which I put a bit too much. Or at least more than usually, as my parents don't really agree on cannabis, not to mention novel synthetic compounds with practically no history of use on humans.
But I digress. What do you think? could 5F've caused this? The doctors thought it might be epilepsy (but they didn't know I'd used synthetic noids), and now all of these messages I've written in this thread seem so.. odd. They don't look like my writing style. I can't remember absolutely anything about this year, or the last really. A few weeks ago an MRI was taken of my head on an unrelated manner, and it revealed nothing, btw.

Yeah. What do you think?
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I don't know if it's the same thing but the recent k2 in Nebraska has landed 72 people in the hospital/ER in the last week or so. Also, I was recently talking to a guy from work and he said he started having seizures after synthetic marijuana use back in 2011.
 
LeeviON said:
Umm.. yesterday I was at my parents' and had what they described as at first difficulty remembering words, soon slurred speech, and then outright falling on the floor and seizing or something. This landed me into a hospital, where I waited for hours as they ran a battery of tests revealing nothing. I can remember about a minute of being in the hospital.
I didn't connect this then but I had just recently before this "attack" smoked a joint of 5F-AKB48, in which I put a bit too much. Or at least more than usually, as my parents don't really agree on cannabis, not to mention novel synthetic compounds with practically no history of use on humans.
But I digress. What do you think? could 5F've caused this? The doctors thought it might be epilepsy (but they didn't know I'd used synthetic noids), and now all of these messages I've written in this thread seem so.. odd. They don't look like my writing style. I can't remember absolutely anything about this year, or the last really. A few weeks ago an MRI was taken of my head on an unrelated manner, and it revealed nothing, btw.

Yeah. What do you think?
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simple answer is yes and i am glad you came out ok ur144 put me in the hospital a couple of years ago
 
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