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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 4

hi everyone! so i have some 5f akb48 and wanted to make a blend.
i made it several in the past but i don't remember the ratios, how much shold i use to make a 10 gram blend?
consider that i want to use .1/.2 of herb for a good joint, since it weghts much less than mj.

and how about the ratios for a tobacco blend?
i have a medium tolerance
 
Help?!?! said:
Most of those haven't been released....
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I just meant found them online, not in a store.
And the more any one compound is talked about, the more people will want to supply it.

And THC-O-Phosphate is cool because it makes THC water soluble. I think dispensaries need to get on that eventually.
 
Help?!?! said:
Just look up lists of noids on wiki, you'll find thousands. I do it all the time with multiple classes of compounds.
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We need them to be discussed here. Imagine RC Shops are like McDonalds, If McDonalds had a forum, and there were 10,000 of us on their forum talking about Tuna sandwiches all the time, they might start supplying them.

So start talking about Cannabionids you might like to see instead of just the ones you can find available. And not all of the ones I will share are on wikipedia. Ex: Yangonin doesn't show up on the list of wiki Cannabinoids.
 
I think suggesting people without tolerance to buy pure powder is dangerous. It is very easy to overdose this way. Of course buying from a headshop who does not list the content is stupid but all RC vendors tell you how much and what it contains. But they are still to strong for a beginner. After a long break I smoked a potpourri which contains 300mg of 5F-AKB-48 per 3g today. I only put tiny bit in the joint but had to stop at half becouse the effects got to strong. The withdrawal after smoking a half g for months was worse than benzos or opiates. I couldnt stop puking and got cramps in my hands and legs. After a 2 month break I am still a jittery mess.
 
Polytoxic said:
I think suggesting people without tolerance to buy pure powder is dangerous. It is very easy to overdose this way. Of course buying from a headshop who does not list the content is stupid but all RC vendors tell you how much and what it contains. But they are still to strong for a beginner. After a long break I smoked a potpourri which contains 300mg of 5F-AKB-48 per 3g today. I only put tiny bit in the joint but had to stop at half becouse the effects got to strong. The withdrawal after smoking a half g for months was worse than benzos or opiates. I couldnt stop puking and got cramps in my hands and legs. After a 2 month break I am still a jittery mess.
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Our opinions differ here. Personally I think it is dangerous to let someone else dose your drugs for you. I have to assume most people here are intelligent enough to own and know how to use a milligram scale.

Never let someone else decide what drug and amount you put into your body. Always do your own research and dose the drugs yourself. I trust RC vendors as much as I trust the local thugs dealing heroin on the corner.
 
Toz said:
Our opinions differ here. Personally I think it is dangerous to let someone else dose your drugs for you. I have to assume most people here are intelligent enough to own and know how to use a milligram scale.

Never let someone else decide what drug and amount you put into your body. Always do your own research and dose the drugs yourself. I trust RC vendors as much as I trust the local thugs dealing heroin on the corner.
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Good luck with quitting, you may well need it. I detoxed last year after a 8 month 60g AM2201 run (hitting 300mg+/day towards the end) and it was hell, takes a week to feel something approaching ok, a month to feel 'normal' (as far as I could remember it). General anxiety, derealisation, dodgy stomach and cravings still persist 2 years later, although I have been indulging in a gram binge of a synthetic once a month or two. That's stopping now as I've realised I was inducing seizures without realising.

Things you may need to help withdraw if you're in the same state I was:
Blender or milkshakes cause solid food will be hard/impossible to keep down or eat enough to actually stay healthy/not loose weight.
Something to keep blood pressure in check, it can get dangerously high when withdrawing, I was prescribed proponanol 10mg, can't remember what my blood pressure was at the time but it was high enough that I could see my pulse on my temple in the mirror.
Diarrhoea relief medicine.
Lots of clean sheets as they'll be soaked in sweat every night.
Anti-acids to settle your stomach enough to eat or just keep down water.

Again good luck, I really don't envy you.
 
Polytoxic said:
I think suggesting people without tolerance to buy pure powder is dangerous.
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I think suggesting that people even consider buying powder by making Marijuana illegal is dangerous.

Toz said:
Our opinions differ here. Personally I think it is dangerous to let someone else dose your drugs for you. I have to assume most people here are intelligent enough to own and know how to use a milligram scale.
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I agree here.

Even the doctor is just going to dose you and ask later "How did that make you feel? Do you think you need more?" So why not just try to figure all that stuff out without him if you can manage it.

hx_ said:
Good luck with quitting, you may well need it. I detoxed last year after a 8 month 60g AM2201 run (hitting 300mg+/day towards the end)
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Oh god, I smoked 1g between 2 people and I never bought AM-2201 again, that is some evil shit. My friend had a seizure, and I felt like I was going to be stupid forever.
 
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Well now it really gets to me what I have done to myself apart from epilepsy. I thought the extreme anxiety was still from a benzo detox 4 months ago. But since I stopped the noids im a wreck and only leave the house to get my subutex. Had to leave a detox klinik because being around 70 people all day was unbearable. I tried holding my 53kg/184cm with very expensive drinks for poeple with cancer or who can swallow no more. Nice I switched to normal food I can not drink it any more. I puke for hours every time. Something that is impossible to mix with water and very thick mucus that is almost like plastic. After some time there also comes old and fresh blood in small amounts. Sometimes I also shit old blood. When puking for a long time I have to breath so heavy that I first start shaking then comes tingling in my hands and a seizure. Every time when it starts I prepare a benzo syringe now so I dont have to go to the hospital. I dont normally iv anything but have done so years ago. My bloodpressure is normal most time but when starting the detox it dropped to 60/40/170 and I collapsed. Before that I got bad hallucinations. Luckily I had someone at my bedside who called the paramedics. After they called a emergencydoctor they drove me to hospital where that assholes put me in the closed psych ward for 2 weeks despite being normal after 2 days. They also took my lyrika which helped very good for my anxiety. My brain activity looked bad in CT and I was sweating buckeds. The worst thing in the end was every morning the noids combined with neuroleptics got me bad tachycardia, heart palpitations and a feeling that I am choking to death.
 
Polytoxic said:
I think suggesting people without tolerance to buy pure powder is dangerous. It is very easy to overdose this way. Of course buying from a headshop who does not list the content is stupid but all RC vendors tell you how much and what it contains. But they are still to strong for a beginner. After a long break I smoked a potpourri which contains 300mg of 5F-AKB-48 per 3g today. I only put tiny bit in the joint but had to stop at half becouse the effects got to strong. The withdrawal after smoking a half g for months was worse than benzos or opiates. I couldnt stop puking and got cramps in my hands and legs. After a 2 month break I am still a jittery mess.
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your mistake was rolling a joint. a blend that strong should get you where you need to go in about one or two hits.
 
I will say the same thing I said on MEGA Take 2,

synth noids ain't no joke, they need to be handled with the level of respect they deserve. %)
 
Even my cat is addicted to this stuff. Every time I smoke she comes and sits right in front of my face. First I thought she likes she smell but I put it away she searched it for 10min alwas looking from the pot to where it was standing first. Before that I already thought that her behavoir is very strange. Very stoned, slow and even a bit trippy. When I stopped today she walked to the pot and wanted to eat it. 1 hr later she looked scared very carefull with everything and was shaking.
 
That's fucked dude. My cat dose the same thing with MJ and I don't care much because when I smoke he just follows me and since it's just MJ I don't care much but if it were synth noids I wouldn't allow it.

Also Shaggy it does work that way but many cnoids have patents/etc plus they either make the easiest or whatever's most potent. They don't care that much what we want.
 
Yea most cannabinoids that are being produced are done so in such a way as to exploit legal loopholes, not according to their safety profile or because they have desirable effects. Unfortunately.
 
I store it in an open little metal pot. Hope this is the right english word for it I am not sure. Dose it loose potency this way? I can feel my tolerance skyrocketing in hours. From now on I will watch that the cat is not passive smoking. When she was young some assholes blowed her mj smoke in the face without telling me and they holded her so tight that she bit them which has never happend before or after that. To control tolerance the easyest way for me to do this is to only smoke after 5pm. But I am more worried about my own health right now. I use phenibut to control the anxiety so I can at least leave the house sometimes but that is very bad for my stomach. After smoking a bit to much before going to bed I got some very ugly hallucinations for a short time when closing my eyes. It was about blood, gore and someone being severely hurt in the same way over and over. I also got a cramp in my hand without noticing it first. Had luck that it has gone away fast. Normaly I have to take a benzo or it will take hours to go away. I will try to get gabapentin instead of lyrika today. They dont want to prescribe it just becouse it is so expensive and popular but I really need it. Old people get it just for sleep I get valproic acid which destroys my stomach even more and helps nothing against my disabling anxiety. How the hell should I do a buprenorphine and phenibut detox on top of that. :( Sorry for so much off topic talk.
 
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They hate prescribing lyrica believe me, I have confirmed nerve damage, and it wasn't easy for me to get though the obvious solution.

You need to stop , sure your aware . It seems theirs those like TNW and me who can consume insane amounts and come out fine , then theirs your group that receives horrifying WDs/side effects.

It's my guess is it has to do with genetic predisposition and such. Some can tolerate CB full agonists well while others can't. Clearly endonoids play most likely the largest part in daily body function besides zero toning and such.
 
NE1, STS-035 and BB22 are all pretty good. They all make me really drowsy when they wear off which is good for bed time, bad for other times (i.e. a sneaky wake n bake before work/college), and they zombify me, I wouldn't drive anywhere on this but with a good window view sitting on the bus trip is pretty good. Had some weird experience with NE1. Passed out a (I wake awake but in a trance, couldn't move). Think i might have overdone is with NE1 though.

Another issue (which can be good or bad depending on the circumstance) are the severe munchies induced by this class of noid, its bad if it suddenly hits you at the wrong time and you have to just drop whatever you were doing satisfy the hunger. Avoid letting a dog near this stuff at all costs. Can't imagine what insane muchies they get, it'd probably start cannablizing people. That'd make a good horror movie. A bunch of dogs find a large cannabis plantation and they get stoned, but then the munchies kick in and all hell breaks loose. They start devouring everything in sight including trees and people and park benches and even the postman. The logical thing to do with be to hand over any food you have to the dogs, but half the town is addicted to synthetic noids and are also in the midst of a muchy epidemic so theres only one thing left to do. Send in Jesse Ventura to investigate. Although he'd better bring some food because an epidemic of cannibalism and rapies has also broken not. Also needs mentioning is that the badgers are infected by rabies and they have been unleashed on Ventura and his crew in attempt to silence themselves, only problem is once they start the bus they realise its rigged with explodes set to detonate if he drops below 10mph. Might seem like a simple task but Venturas been taking noids.
 
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