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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 4

Toz said:
^'noids sending people to the hospital will in 99.99% of the cases be related to the user panicking.



This, in my experience, is false. Marijuana will never regain it's effect for me. But then I've smoked hundreds of grams of pure powder synthetics.

It works like all other tolerances do, you can get it down but smoke a joint or two and it will be right back where you left it so it's kind of impossible to get high on pot more than once every blue moon. I just don't bother with it anymore.



What's with the seizures I read about on the internet? Are you guys confusing it with twitching? I doubt people actually get epileptic seizures from cannabinoids, I've never or heard or seen it happen.
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Yeah I had that weird twitching effect when I used too much pb-22, was pretty scary at the time, but I couldn't exactly put it down to a seizure.
 
jeremysdemo said:
i am not entirely convinced what you had was AF-22, but then again I have only done moderately low does, 4-8mg.

I've never had couch lock off of it, quite the opposite effect, energetic, if anything insomnia. (unless mixed with alcohol)

I can vouch for the seizures, twitching or whatever people call it as that is what my buddy says happens when he vaps pure powder, witnesses say he was spinning around the room, flapping on the floor like a fish out of water, and this is a guy who has been vaping since JWH-018 was legal.

If you went to the hospital they would have noticed the more obvious potentials for OD damage and notified you, liver, kidneys, your numbers would have been off the charts and you would have had the symptoms they are familiar with in organ failure.
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what happened at the hospital was i just went in the ambulance with them to stop the coppers taking me again got there then signed myself out after seeing the shrink

cant see it being anything other than what i ordered the guys are pretty good with this sort of thing .

yer i was meant to be forming at the mouth being belligerent not making any sense at all .

the first time i went in the ran no real test same this time just took blood samples blood pressure checked on me every now and again same sort of thing this time
 
I've read the news reports about people suffering kidney failure , all types of scary shit. I've no idea if these can be caused by the noids themselves, or noxious crap making it's way into the commercial blends. After all, it's not like they print in full ingredient list on those pre-packaged blends. It could be a pesticide, a noid hotspot, leading to a too intense high, or even an RC to give the shit some kick. It's been known to happen.
 
Going to quit synth noids for a bit, think the incense blends im getting are causing feelings i dont know how to describe, anxiety over nothing, restlessness etc from synthetic cannbinoid use. So although i have like 13g of this blend left, im leaving it in a dark cupboard for now.

Not sure if I should try normal cannabis right now, it's so expensive too... esp the good stuff. Already benzo addict and used opiates 2days in a row now. But yeah synth noids just werent taking to my body/mind, so laying off for now. Glad you guys are having a more positive experience, someone must be with megathreads like this :P
 
I found switching to purely vaping blends reduced a lot of the negative effects that I had got with smoking.
 
dopemegently said:
Anyway, maybe seeing the crystals on the surface of the blend is a result of the inefficient way they infuse their substrate with noids; they all spray it, as far as I know. Maybe spraying the surface of the substrate causes it to fail to impregnate the herb properly, coating only the surface? From what I've read by other posters, this method creates hotspots of pure Syncans, and that's exactly what I blame when I hear people having seriously bad reactions to the commercial blends. As I know, smoking too much of a pure noid can really fuck you up in a bad way.
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tbh I've always sprayed my blends without any hotspot. alzo no decrease in potency at all (read my post o top of the page)
 
Yeah but how big was the batch? Spraying a 14g home made blend is going to turn out a LOT better than spraying a kilo of marshmallow all at once...
 
^ The primary active metabolite of ALL the AKB series is Amantadine, a neuroprotective pharmaceutical compound that has been known to cause akathisia. It's usually not produced in NEARLY enough quantities to create side effects (100mg>) but if you are burning your 5F-AKB48 at very high temperatures, or if your AKB is stored for a while (either before or after you purchased it) in a hot, moist place, an unusually high amount of Amantadine may be produced - perhaps enough for Akathisia to manifest.

It should be mentioned, however, I've gone through a gram of 5F-AKB48 in around 24 hours before (HIGHLY UNUSUAL for me, I usually wouldn't do more than 50mg in a day) and I didn't experience any side effects, except a slight headache. No akathisia. I was only vaping with a low-heat candle off alum foil though, and the product was very pure crystals.
 
I keep mine in airtight containers in the fridge; maybe I should find a different place for storage? (I am using akb48 btw)

I know legal discussion is verboten, but I've noticed many of my UK vendors I use are only selling 5f akb48 and 5f pb22. I was wondering if this could be due to a ban, or maybe the 5f variants are just better/stronger/more popular? I'm personally hoping bb-25 will stay around for some time; it's probably my favourite when mixed with akb48.

CN95 I use the "bath" way myself, it uses up a serious amount of acetone. What type of spraying device do you use for your blends. (I had trouble finding a metal atomiser). I make relatively large batches, so I guess there's more risk of hotspots than making say, 14 grams as posted above.
 
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dopemegently said:
I keep mine in airtight containers in the fridge; maybe I should find a different place for storage? (I am using akb48 btw)

I know legal discussion is verboten, but I've noticed many of my UK vendors I use are only selling 5f akb48 and 5f pb22. I was wondering if this could be due to a ban, or maybe the 5f variants are just better/stronger/more popular? I'm personally hoping bb-25 will stay around for some time; it's probably my favourite when mixed with akb48.

CN95 I use the "bath" way myself, it uses up a serious amount of acetone. What type of spraying device do you use for your blends. (I had trouble finding a metal atomiser). I make relatively large batches, so I guess there's more risk of hotspots than making say, 14 grams as posted above.
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Don't you mean bb-22? I'm interested to know the effects, is it sedating? Is it potent? How long does it last? I hate cannabinoids that aren't sedating. I also hate smoking so I want potent cannabinoids, is it on par with AKB and PB?

The 5F variants are generally stronger but shorter lasting and has more of "cracked out" feeling after smoking than their non-flourinated counterparts. That's my general experience at least.
 
I'm a really big fan of bb-22, and would recommend it to any syncan smoker looking for a sedating, relaxing noid. It's duration is excellent; I once vaped too strong a dose and the effects lasted well over 4 hours. There's not much of a head stone to it, though it is mildly trippy, the effects are mostly physical. It's not as potent as pb-22 though. It mixes very well with akb48 IMO.

Edit: maybe the vendors are only selling the 5f variants to maximise profits? shorter durations mean more frequent dosing...
 
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Waiting on my order for sts-135, bb-22 and ne-11

I'll get my reviews up for 5Fpb-22 and 5F-akb48

Anybody tried ne11,? Looks kinda evil on the molecule breakdown chart
 
STS 135: Feels like a mix between 5f-Akb48 and 5f-PB22, a bit more speedy. Provides a bit of visual effects and a nice tingling body feeling. Not as intense of a head high as many other cannabinoids. One effect I get from it is that it feels like everything is moving in slow motion. You really feel slow and have to think long and hard before doing stuff. Otherwise nothing special except the typical head high provided by most cannabinoids.

Review: 5.5/10
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Translated from another user from another forum. It is not a very appreciated 'noid from what I've read.
 
foolsgold said:
what happened at the hospital was i just went in the ambulance with them to stop the coppers taking me again got there then signed myself out after seeing the shrink

cant see it being anything other than what i ordered the guys are pretty good with this sort of thing .

yer i was meant to be forming at the mouth being belligerent not making any sense at all .

the first time i went in the ran no real test same this time just took blood samples blood pressure checked on me every now and again same sort of thing this time
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So you are saying you went to the hospital for mental issues caused by overdose of AF-pb-22?

I have never done large enough doses to have such adverse effects, but I have no reason not to beleive you when you said this happens at high doses.
 
AFOAF Chemist said:
Anybody tried ne11,? Looks kinda evil on the molecule breakdown chart
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I wouldn't mind seeing it, or any other N series cannabinoids....

unless you mean NN-E1, which napthelene makes useless because of cancerous carcinogen.
 
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Toz said:
Translated from another user from another forum. It is not a very appreciated 'noid from what I've read.
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Cheers for putting it up, Toz. I was gonna sample some of this soon. Maybe it would mix well with a different noid, or even improved with JeremysDemo's CBD idea. It doesn't sound special.

Edit: this questions probably been asked on a zillion threads, but is it possible to vape syncans in my e-cig? I've recently been buying this kit, and it has refillable tanks. I'm soon getting some PG to dose etizolam powder, and was thinking I could make e-juice with a spare gram of PB-22 I have laying around. The e cig tank has 1.6 ml capacity, so I think putting the whole gram in there would make it far too strong. Interested to hear from anybody whose vaped syncans in an e-cig.
 
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jeremysdemo said:
So you are saying you went to the hospital for mental issues caused by overdose of AF-pb-22?

I have never done large enough doses to have such adverse effects, but I have no reason not to beleive you when you said this happens at high doses.
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it was a mix of a few things the fitting on the floor the blackout before hand the fact it took me a few hours to come round as i was not making any sense its a hard on to describe unless you where there or its happened to you
 
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