Enlitx
Bluelighter
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None of those things are 'real'. They are mere constructs with which to attempt to decribe the 'material reality' we experience.
I am unaware of the experiences mynameisnotDeja has had, but I know that if I recounted some of the experiences I have had during my near 54 years, you would not believe them, yet I know them to be 'real'.
This *waves hands around to indicate 'reality'* is nothing but an illusion or, as Albert Einstein said, 'Reality is an illusion, albeit a persistent one'.
I define real as the quantam state that we are able to observe at any given moment. It is as real as you are ever going to get. According to your definition, nothing at all is real and everything is equally valid. I suppose philosophically there is no way to prove an absolute reality, but that is a juvenile excercise that every PHIL 101 student thinks is some big epiphany. I am not here to entertain that rather pointless philosophical notion.
I define real as those things which can be measured and verified experimentally. Theories are built around sound evidence. You have to have some reference point to gauge what is real compared to what is not. For example, psychic abilities have never been shown to exist nor has there ever been a mechanism that could explain their existence. Thus, psychics are total bullshit. Compare that to things like the speed of light, or the existence of photons, and you will see the difference between "real" and not.
I am sure your experiences were real to you, care to share what they were? I sincerely doubt they violated any of the natural laws.
I would hesitate to call everything around you an illusion. How is it an illusion if energy from an environment interacts with a steady state system of cells and produces a holographic representation of the surroundings. I don't consider that an illusion. For our immediate surroundings and universe, the only one we are capable of knowing, things are very real. There may be seperate universes, more dimensions, etc... but it is more productive to focus on those things that actually have an effect on your life.