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^What about if the universe is contracting, and time is running backwards, hence we remeber the past and it would still appear that we are in an expanding universe? Time could be running backwards, but we wouldn't neccesarily know.

Then again, the whole concept of entropy kinda determines that we are moving forward in time, unless things decay before they take full form.

Nice post Xorkoth :)



That the universe is not curved? Care to link to that- sounds intriguing.
the direction in which we experience time depends on how things get added to our memory and how our brains are set up in relation to time. if we experienced time in reverse, we'd be totally different creatures, which operate on very odd physical laws and made up of weird composite particles we haven't thought much about!

entropy doesnt set an arrow for "time forward", it is arbitrary that we say "time forward" is "entropy increase". if "time forward" was "entropy decrease" by definition, then you'd just have to change a lot of minus signs to plus signs and vice verse in the science literature, and we would technically be time-reverse travelling creatures

but it does make sense to define us as time forward travelling, i guess :P

/stoned thoughts
 
^Ah, but on a metaphysical level, if time ran backwards and the future was a memory, presumedly the past is yet to come- hence, the past, being an expansion of the universe, would appear as the future to these guys, and the future, being a contraction would be "remembered" as the Big Bang.

As I said above, I really have no idea what I'm talking about- the best definteion for entropy I read indicated that coffee going from hot to cold- was an example of entropy. I extrapolated that to mean all matter decaying, energy dispersing... Whats goes up must come down, as opposed to the reverse.

Egad this thread is bizarre. Me likes :D
 
You can't understand what I am saying- that is, sure there is a maximum speed that light can travel, but you cannot tell me why that is so.

You said in an earlier post that your question was "not why, but who".

Not why, but who? Who determined it- or is it just as it is? Because, in your own proclaimed complexity, shouldn't you know that? Thats my problem with the universe; we have rather definite laws regarding the nature of nature- but no idea as to any "law" which governs these laws. I just find it funny that your not looking even further beyond yourself- you've admitted the speed of light is the maximum "allowed" speeed, a trait presumedly given unto light by its Creator- what I want to know is who is it? Who allowed this? And, by something being allowed, certainly does not rule out the notion of rules being broken.

Can you please clarify your contradiction for me please? Or was that paragraph of yours just rambling.

Oh. My. Lord. You are going to realise very soon, child, how inconceivably little intelligence you are showing. An inteligent person has doubts, test theories- does not exhibit a certainty about things no-one in the universe is certain of- thats called being blinded.
Heed your own advice

Anyway, this debate just became unpleasant. If your the thumb of god, I'd suggest it be reinserted into His anus abruptly.
I will reinsert it into his anus, considering it seems that his anus is in fact your mouth.

Unless you are too complex to exhibit kindness or some sort of self-restraint, then I feel the next stage of spunky human evolution is kinda piss poor
Let me produce an appropriate inverse response, hmm.... "No, you're wrong! My dick is much bigger than yours!"

Perhaps you could reply again sometime, and we can degrade from profanity to simply barking at each other.

of which you have kindly presented us your own interpretations

I just simplified the theories into a few statements to save some time for those who chose to read that post.
If you see flaws in the simplification, please point them out.

Okay, thanks for the explanation of Einstein's theory. But how is it that this explains that there is nothing more complex in the universe than us?
Since the only certain value you perceive is yourself, then you place a value on yourself that is higher than all other values.

I would like to do a study to prove statistically what shall hitherto be known as h.a.'s law

h.a.'s law: individual (20 +/- 2yrs) age + use of psychedelic or dissociative drugs = grandiosity centering on some half-baked, semi-coherent understanding of post-Einsteinian physics.
I swear if I had a penny for every thread fitting this equation I've read on drug related forums, I'd have a good few dollars in my pocket. At least enough to get a dose of something to make those theories seem much more convincing.

Oh dear, how humiliated the individual must feel who is being referenced in this equation of yours!

Perhaps this individual would hold better odds of winning the popularity vote for his proclamations of grandiosity if he had incorporated ridiculous liberal ideals, a pro-legalization of illicit drugs speech, and an arsenal of insults directed at the non-specific party of "stupid rednecks" into his strategy. Or to increase his disposition with the authority around him, he could have dropped to his knees and commenced a social dicksucking of the noble kings/queens around him (in the event of the stage being an online forum, maybe these nobles included some forum moderators or users with high post counts). Yes, if this individual had done all that, he perhaps would have won over his audience.

Instead the audience decided it would be much more exciting to socially gang-bang the individual in an orgy of narcissism.
If the audience could generate enough insults (measured as IPP - Insults Per Post - in the case of an online forum) then this would by some irrational means negate the need for them respond to the individual's referenced evidence (which still seems to be irrefutable until someone kindly disproves it), and instead just start screaming profanity and snuffing those who disagree with them. Maybe the audience could even bring up what the individual has done in the past as evidence that would somehow falsify the completely non-related physics which were originally the matter of discussion. Now the audience can delightfully take a shit in peace, while simultaneously orgasming from the increase in their now-massive ego.

Am I too late to jump into the circle jerk?

Maybe the individual forgot to account for the age of the audience, which affects the validity of the audience's opinions due to a higher age.
Law of Age in Opinion Validity:
Opinion of dickwad A is always true if the age of dickwad A > age of cuntbag B

^What about if the universe is contracting, and time is running backwards, hence we remeber the past and it would still appear that we are in an expanding universe? Time could be running backwards, but we wouldn't neccesarily know.

Then again, the whole concept of entropy kinda determines that we are moving forward in time, unless things decay before they take full form.

Nice post Xorkoth :)



That the universe is not curved? Care to link to that- sounds intriguing.

Nice use of "kinda sorta could be" retarded physics that not only imply that you have no idea what the hell you are talking about, but you are talking about an idea that failed to make sense in your own mind because of your lack of understanding in the field of study you are trying to mimick an understanding of, then in the next paragraph you understood how stupid the first paragraph was:

What if up is actually down, and gravity is running backwards, hence we fall up into the sky. Gravity could be running backwards, but we wouldn't necessarily know.

Then again, the whole concept of heaviness kinda determines that we are falling down towards the ground, unless my thoughts decay before they make sensible form.

OH I SEE WHAT U DID THER

Nice post Xorkoth :)

Congratulations, your social disposition with Xorkoth has increased by +1 !!!!

Notice how he adds the smiley face, as if Xorkoth wouldn't notice that swilow is trying to kiss his ass!

Your serious attempt of trying to gain a sense of self-significance by posing as a "bad ass" on an online forum is comical!

That the universe is not curved? Care to link to that- sounds intriguing.
I'm sure you will completely misinterpret this, as you do with all other information that previously made sense, but here it is anyways:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedmann_equations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_of_the_Universe

Serious question - do you have a learning disability? If not - how old are you?

As I said above, I really have no idea what I'm talking about

Ok, ok, its good to know that you are atleast aware of this.
 
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i read a little of spunk's post. glad i don't mod this board, or i'd have to read the rest! chill out pplz. plur shroomz
 
I apologize if you felt I was attacking you with my little thought, I was genuinely interested when I asked your age not because older = better, but I've noticed a trend and like examining patterns. I'm a psychology major, it's what I've been doing for the past four years.

I fell into h.a.'s equation as well with my own little messianic complex and probably still do, though I think to a lesser extent than when 19-22 (but there's always the distinct possibility I'll look back on now and have another opinion concerning my level of grandiosity). We all fall prey to taking our little philosophies overly serious and thinking we're pretty super-amazing.

C'est la vie.
 
SpunkySkunk, that last post of yours was over the line on a number of counts. Now, I realize your ideas haven't been all that kindly received here. But you did say you expected that, so I just kind of let the free-for-all happen :\.

Don't really know what to tell you (or anyone else here), except to say that if you can't answer your critics in a way that doesn't involve flaming them, then there's little good that can come of keeping this thread open. I'm not running a pissing contest carnival booth here.

Most of the other posters here weren't trying to goad you, Spunky. They were just pointing out problems they saw in your philosophy in a frank, in-your-face manner that you seemed to be open to. So please, don't go apeshit when the conversation doesn't turn out the way you planned.

I'm not schooled or well read when it comes to the philosophical tradition. Like you, I reinvent wheels and come up with my own theories out of thin air, without reference to other thinkers. I sometimes come up with these theories after drug-induced experiences. I support people who want to do this -- the street corner or coffee house philosopher is a much underappreciated player in our society. But the flip side is, when I play this role, I have to be willing to learn as much as I teach, in terms of the responses I get. I'm seeking light, after all, not heat. I'm just playing with ideas. I'm not out to prove anything to anyone.

In conclusion, I have a mind to close this thread unless the conversation starts getting a little less combative.
 
babytalk.

Keep it up- this is hilarious :D Seriously, that was one of the posts of the year- a complex god getting all hot n bothered by getting a little jab to his ego. Get rid of that, if you can without dissolving, and then you might start growing up. Either way, bollocks to your and your nonsensical, maniacal rant.

Also- we're very aware you are indeed a child, so I will take it easy on you. :) <3

I am sorry MDAO- I was indeed goading him. I do apologise for making this diffuclt to moderate.
 
i am assuming he just had a bad day, and displaced some mental energy

give him 24 hours to calm yeah? he's made great posts too

p.s. i am not saying that no one else addy hommy'd..
 
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i am assuming he just had a bad day, and displaced some mental energy

give him 24 hours to calm yeah? he's made great posts too

Agreed. In truth, I am strugglingly reading a book (The Mind of God by Paul Davies) which is basically on the same subject that Spunky is referring to. If you've read the book, yeah, I lifted my questions from that and then changed them when I forgot what I asked :\ Honestly, this subject intrigues me as we are talking about the fabric of reality- I hope I haven't dissuaded Spunky from posting.

Please remember that Bluelight is always dead serious; of course, there is a place for seriousness, but in such a thread, I genuinely thought that Spunky was "adopting" a role to put forward a theoretical idea. Either way, its been a good read, but I do apologise for my asinine behaviour. Seriously.

Fwiw, I do have a learning disorder :) Its called lack of formal education but attempting to make up for it via reading and examing the world....
 
^ Nothing wrong with the School of Life, my friend. (Other than its fast pace, rather draconian discipline, and fairly consistently enforced no-retest rule :) )

My attitude on how seriously this forum (specifically P&S) should be taken, changes daily. As a general rule though, I try not to let things people say here get to me, but at the same time try never to post things that I wouldn't say to someone's face.

Another recent book that comes at the whole fabric of reality thing in a similar way is Michael Talbot's 'The Holographic Universe'. Haven't read it, but just might get into it this summer.
 
^ I really enjoyed that book. Whether you put much stock in some of it's notions or not, it still gives some interesting food for thought.
I'll have to check out Mind of God.
 
Yeah, I've read the Holographic Universe- I really enjoyed, particualry its implications re: interconnectedness of....everything I spose.
 
Xorkoth said:
...How does this determine that there is nothing more complex than us in the universe...

Since the only certain value you perceive is yourself, then you place a value on yourself that is higher than all other values.

Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't see how this statement answered my question. I understand what you're saying, but just because you don't place a higher value on something you don't know exists, doesn't mean it couldn't be more complex than you. And I also fail to see how your explanation of Einsteinian physics implies what you just said in your reply to me above.

spunkyskunk said:
Instead the audience decided it would be much more exciting to socially gang-bang the individual in an orgy of narcissism.

Funny you mention narcissism, since your first post is about as narcissitic as it gets ;)

If the audience could generate enough insults (measured as IPP - Insults Per Post - in the case of an online forum) then this would by some irrational means negate the need for them respond to the individual's referenced evidence (which still seems to be irrefutable until someone kindly disproves it), and instead just start screaming profanity and snuffing those who disagree with them.

There has been very little insulting of you, merely pointing out problems with your theory we have seen... which you expected us to do, and indeed asked us to. The most insulting post I have yet seen in here has been the one of yours I am responding to. If you're the almighty thumb of God, then why are you so offended? Especially since you asked us to critique your post?

Maybe the audience could even bring up what the individual has done in the past as evidence that would somehow falsify the completely non-related physics which were originally the matter of discussion. Now the audience can delightfully take a shit in peace, while simultaneously orgasming from the increase in their now-massive ego.

Yeah, I did that... sorry (regarding bringing up your age and OD). Regarding ego though, do you really not see that your original post was to inflate your own ego?

Maybe the individual forgot to account for the age of the audience, which affects the validity of the audience's opinions due to a higher age.
Law of Age in Opinion Validity:
Opinion of dickwad A is always true if the age of dickwad A > age of cuntbag B

Untrue. I mentioned what I thought to be your age to lend support to h.a.'s theory, which I have found to often be true.

But you're right, trying to throw around age as a measure of rightness is an exercise in ignorance. Mentioning it in support of a proposition is, however, an objective observation.

Congratulations, your social disposition with Xorkoth has increased by +1 !!!!

Notice how he adds the smiley face, as if Xorkoth wouldn't notice that swilow is trying to kiss his ass!

Swilow's my friend... he thought I made a nice post. Why must you transform that into some sort of ego game?

Your serious attempt of trying to gain a sense of self-significance by posing as a "bad ass" on an online forum is comical!

May I remind you of what you're doing with this thread? For SpunkySkunk's sake, man, you're trying to convince us that you're the crux of all evolution of complexity in the universe! How is that not trying trying assert a sense of self-importance? If you really are the "thumb of god" like you say, then why do you get pissed that we are telling you you're wrong? Why did you need to tell people on an Internet forum in the first place?

I'm sure you will completely misinterpret this, as you do with all other information that previously made sense, but here it is anyways:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedmann_equations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_of_the_Universe

Serious question - do you have a learning disability?

An example of the insults you seem to be railing against in this thread. From the mouth of the thumb of god.

In short, you have weakened your original position with this reply.
 
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Swilow and I have resolved, I'm very glad we did. I really have to share the reply I gave to him with this thread, so here it is. I'll leave some "footnotes" that I have or whatever you want to call them in italics and parentheses:

I don't hold grudges man, I don't hold grudges - I totally respect you, and I was really hoping that we would eventually be able to talk over private messages. I want to tell you why I made that thread, I'm going to try and be as honest as I can be.

A few days ago, I was overthinking everything. It used to happen to me a lot on psychedelics, you probably know what I mean, every psychedelic experience brings new understanding. I wasn't on pscyhedelics tho, my adderall prescription can make me overthink things; Not nearly on the same level as LSD or even cannabis, but adderall still makes me overthink things.
So I came up with this idea while listening to a few songs by Tool. I thought that maybe we all have this hidden desire to be God. In that aspect, I looked at it even deeper and turned it into "Everyone wants to think that they are Jesus". The idea bugged me, and as my adderall wore off it became harder and harder to think about. I knew I wouldn't be able to figure it out on my own, and I knew pieces of the "puzzle" were missing. I wanted to see how other people would react to my ego; I wanted to know if they would be able to agree, or if they wouldn't agree - I also wanted to hear why they didn't agree so that I could learn how to make my own beliefs better.

What I did when making the first post in that thread, is I answered this question: "What is the most accurate depiction of my own ego?" I didn't want to turn it into any sort of metaphor (note: although in the process of doing so, I couldn't help myself from trying to make it all one big metaphor.), I just wanted to accurately tell everyone what exactly my own ego was saying to me.

I knew that my ego was wrong, but I didn't know why. I wanted other people to tell me why it was wrong. Because honestly, it scares the fuck out of me to think that I'm in control of my own life. At the same time, it scares the fuck out of me to think that I'm not in control of my own life. And it flat out makes me fucking depressed to think that I am doomed to a fate which I didn't deserve. In a sense to me, it was a much less dramatic self portrayal of good and evil waging war, using my own mind as a battleground.

I needed someone else, someone who would be brutally honest with me, (I needed for someone else) to share the unsatisfying truth. I needed to be socially humiliated so I would realize just how selfish I was acting - I've been avoiding it my whole life, you know, isolating and shit. Doing whatever "drugs" I could find to help support my own ego, I was trying to avoid life altogether and I couldn't do it. I think we all need to find out our reason to live. For me, I realized that I couldn't ever find the right reason to live, because my goal is always one step ahead of me. There is a fishing pole that is strapped onto my head, with a bag full of chocolate and gold hanging on the fishing line out in front of me, just barely out of my reach, and I am running like a moron trying to get to it. I have almost figured it out now (and maybe thats all I ever will be, "almost figuring it out"). I am sort of realizing now what exactly I truly am, not what my ego tells me, but what others tell me.

I am weak. I am pathetic, and I am helpless. I am sad, scared, and alone. There isn't a way of justifying it. I will never be able to blame anyone besides myself (or perhaps it shouldn't be blamed on anyone at all, I think "cause and effect" would have to be traced back to the begining of existence itself in order for us to completely understand who is "at blame" for our suffering, I think maybe the best we can do is learn from our mistakes so we don't let that same suffering torture us again) for why I am those things. What I believe isn't any better than what anyone else believes.

The only thing I can do to help it, is trying to accept it, by trying to realize that I can't be perfect, but I can (try to) have good intentions, and instead of living a life where I dwell on my failed goals, I'll try as hard as I can to learn from things that I've failed, so I can become a better person. Well, maybe not a better person, but a much more selfless person. I will live a life where I have faith that things will tend to unfold for me in the end. That being said, I'm going to visit a place I haven't been in far too long, and I don't know what you'll think about me when I say this, but I'm going to go back to church, and I'm going to try to go back and find the only unconditional love I have ever experienced in my life. People can believe in God or not believe in God if they want to. For quite some time, I have dwelled on the idea that "God is dead" - there is an unlimited amount of possibilities that argue both for and against the concept of God, and I am thinking now that it is personal choice as to which theory we want to believe. As for me, however, I am going to go back to Christianity. It is the one that gives me the love that I couldn't find, and it makes me a better person, and in turn will help me make society a better person. Maybe then we can unanymously make an effort to get out of this hole that we have dug ourselves. I have hope that mankind can fix its problems, and I have faith that things are not as bad as we make them at times seem to be.

Would you look at that: a stubborn pessimistic teenager finally surrending to other people, finally accepting that he is weak and helpless, coincidentally leading to the resolution of his unwinding teenage years.

Yes, you all were right in telling me how young I am, and how I couldn't possibly realize how little I knew. I am 17, my name is Michael, and I live in Minnesota.

If (everything) that is bad and evil in the world is about to chase us off an indomitable cliff, our only option that I can see is to jump off the cliff and have faith that God will catch us.

I guess if there is one thing I am trying to tell you out of all that, it is that I think we should have faith that things are not as bad as they seem, and I am sorry for arguing against you.

I hope this message reaches you, so I can redeem myself. There are many things that you know which I do not know, and I would really like to learn about them.

-Peace Spunky
 
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Spunky said:
The only thing I can do to help it, is trying to accept it, by trying to realize that I can't be perfect, but I can (try to) have good intentions, and instead of living a life where I dwell on my failed goals, I'll try as hard as I can to learn from things that I've failed, so I can become a better person.

Thats such a good attitude. Look, as we've spoken about, I am rather amazed at your intellectual prowess; there is no doubt you know your physics and in a capacity which I could only dream about. I can recte the theories, but never really grasp the mathematical implications.

So I personall appreciate your use of links and whatnot :) I understand that your OP kinda came out the wrong way- it happens.

The fact you've shown humility now is a really great thing :) Bear in mind- you could be right! ;) But its better to assume not....

I guess if there is one thing I am trying to tell you out of all that, it is that I think we should have faith that things are not as bad as they seem, and I am sorry for arguing against you.

To the contrary, backing up your claims is a sign of strength and will. Particularly when a lot of people are opposed to your suggestion. Plus, courage to me is admitting fault, not being flawless :)

Would you look at that: a stubborn pessimistic teenager finally surrending to other people, finally accepting that he is weak and helpless, coincidentally leading to the resolution of his unwinding teenage years.

Good. If this thread helps you, then good. It can serve a purpose then, a positive one.

FWIW, I think no less of you at all- indeed, I deeply appreciate the fact we've resolved things. That you took my apology on board is a sign of maturity, not teenage angsty weirdness. Keep on postin', you have a lot to share.

Can I add though Spunky- that huge post with the quotes in pink- their is some utter comedy gold in there man, truly :D Lets bark! ;)
 
Haven't read the entire thread, but I've got one thing to say:

SpunkySkunk, your attack on swilow for simply giving Xorkoth a friendly thanks was totally unnecessary. It was a total misinterpretation of a genuine act of kindness IMO.
 
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