MDPV Megathread 6: neko's cum guzzling cock juggling extravaganza!!

[Shambles]

Hmmm... will definitely read up on the hydrophilic stuff but it just means it's readily-soluble in water anyway, I thought. Quite possibly thought incorrectly so reading up will be done. Caution is always wise

The only fairly big risk of contamination I can think of off-hand would be if you use a cut or otherwise poor quality batch as your starting material cos that would obviously introduce unknown unknowns. Whether they could be dangerous or possibly even beneficial I have no idea but worth bearing in mind as a potential risk, perhaps. Maybe something along the unexpected contamination lines was what produced the initial results that seem to be hard to reproduce since. If it could somehow produce one (or more) of the PPP thingies then perhaps that is why it's perceived as being a better product than white peev for some cos plenty do like those PPPs.

Will stick with me hmmm.... and a lil reading up to go with it till me peev arrives, methinks.

 

[ektamine]

Will stick with me hmmm.... and a lil reading up to go with it till me peev arrives, methinks.

Aye, so you've been able to locate PV after the ban eh? I was wondering how that would turn out. Was it hard to find? How about the price difference?

The reason I'm interested is because I'm across the pond and its about to be banned here. Looking for signs of the effect that will actually have on the supply. I'm sure it will be alot harder to get post-ban in the US because of tighter border security and far less popularity. But then again, I found my ketamine supplier on the first page of a google search and have since then imported a sizable amount with no problem.

 

[Shambles]

^ Moderate Dosing Prevents Vitiation. Apparently. Never quite believed that one meself but peev binge + modstick = comedy alliterative titles. I heard tell that it's a great thing if you can manage it... Don't go working that monkey of yours too hard in the research room if you can manage it. You do seem to have way more self-control than I ever do if I have to hand though - didn't you actually manage to stop, eat, sleep and leave 100mg for afterwards only recently? Not gonna happen if it were my 100mg 8)

Ektamine: Finding sources was never a problem as such since the UK ban - finding sources that sell decent product was what was holding me up really. Thankfully that seems to have been solved - Drug Fairies ftw

Could imagine general quality probably getting even worse after the US ban even though it really shouldn't make any difference any more than the UK ban shouldn't have. Seemed that it did though. In the UK anyway. And not for all, I'm sure. Unless it's banned worldwide or all the fiends lay down their tooters for good then it'll always be available from somewhere. Obviously with all the added problems of dealing with a substance less legal than you're used to

Maybe quality will even pick up a bit (for me and those I know of having similar troubles) as there will presumably be less chancer vendors selling it as it becomes even more of a niche market then it is now. Silver linings? Or maybe even tan ones

 

[Diia]

Moderate doses make all the difference in the world. The first few hours may be more fun going nuts on it, and then you just gotta figure out how the hell to fight the urge past that. Keeping doses spaced apart with smaller doses prevents most of the come down symptoms, even on a long binge.

 

[ektamine]

You do seem to have way more self-control than I ever do if I have to hand though - didn't you actually manage to stop, eat, sleep and leave 100mg for afterwards only recently? Not gonna happen if it were my 100mg 8)

Yeah I'm in the same boat. I often make a plan along the lines of, 'okay, this time, I'm not gonna give in.
I'll stop once half way through the gram', then comes the half-way point which looks something like:

Ektamine: Finding sources was never a problem as such since the UK ban - finding sources that sell decent product was what was holding me up really. Thankfully that seems to have been solved - Drug Fairies ftw

I bet the peev fairy is one mighty fine piece of ass :D

 

[SmokeaJoint]

Self control is for people that aren't addicted. Well, thats how it feels to me. Any substance I'm able to use in moderation, its one I'm not big on. But shit like coke or mephedrone? Hell no, do lines until the bag is gone! Get to the comedown and get that shit over with! No reason to drag on the anguish any longer than I have to.

 

[Myshkin]

It's not simply mixing MDPV with water - there has to be something else in there as well. There are numerous places where information on hydrophilic chemicals are available. If I could give a resource as to the exact chemicals MDPV could turn into, I wouldn't have needed to run the tests myself (not that it wasn't fun).

Erm, one second if I may.

So you're saying that there's a danger MDPV will turn into any number of substances (including 'psychedelic amphetamines' or unspecified deadly poisons) provided there's another substance already present in the water for it to react with?

I would've thought that was simple chemistry; put substance a) in solution with substance b) etcetera. I don't think it has anything to do with MDPV being hydrophilic or not, save for MDPV dissolving easily.

The slight problem being that aside from the usual impurities, most people don't have a habit of leaving chemicals in their water supply which would be capable of reacting with MDPV in order to convert it to a 'psychedelic amphetamine', or anything more sinister than an MDPV solution for that matter.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for psychedelic amphetamines (not to mention alchemy), but if this kind of miraculous transubstantiation is indeed possible, don't you think the world needs to know more about the whys and wherefores?

I'll await with interest.

 

[Dedbeet]

^ Moderate Dosing Prevents Vitiation. Apparently. Never quite believed that one meself but peev binge + modstick = comedy alliterative titles. I heard tell that it's a great thing if you can manage it... Don't go working that monkey of yours too hard in the research room if you can manage it.

I can't manage it. The monkey is running around the room, and I'm in the cage. Talk to the monkey, if you can get it to understand English.... this sleep deprivation is getting murderous. Coming down off stims on this much sleep dep. isn't a mere comedown -- the physical and mental exhaustion + dopamine depletion hit you like a tsunami. Staying up isn't much of an improvement .

P.S. clipped most of the rest of my post, as I figure this sort of posting merely depresses/worries people (and just having said it was enough... there's nothing anyone reading a BL forum can do to help).

On an entirely different subject -- I can't believe we're back into the "Stuffmonger thread" on this one... if people are really interested in discussing it, perhaps it would be worthwhile opening a new thread for it? (not complaining, but the subject matter is very specific and seems here it would fit better in its own thread).

Peace...

 

[Diia]

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AFAIK (and hey, I'm doing the learning here to), you don't generally ever deal with chemical changes from one layer to the other. To the best of my knowledge the mdpv that remained in the aqueous layer stayed exactly the same. At the least it still 'behaved' the same.

On that note, I've never even seen a chemical that splits itself between two different layers. Nor have I ever seen an oil stay in an aqueous layer before this. But each time with this, it's right at (rounded to the single digits) 45% leaving the aqueous layer, and right at 55% staying behind.

Hey, I'll go and make it more screwed up - the organic layer was the bottom layer, so thats the heavier layer - and the MDPV in that layer had given up some of its atoms while the MDPV in the top layer had not - which also seems pretty damn backwards to me.

Quoting you:
So you're saying that there's a danger MDPV will turn into any number of substances (including 'psychedelic amphetamines' or unspecified deadly poisons) provided there's another substance already present in the water for it to react with?

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No, that's not quite it - the MDPV has to LEAVE the water in order to be eligible to share. And it doesn't really matter what there is in the aqueous layer - as long as something in there can hold more carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, or oxygen, the mdpv will make sure it gets them as it goes.

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I've been studying on this for quite a while now, and nothing prior to this has given me such a freaking headache - I've decided to label MDPV as a rule breaker.

Either way, this much I know. I've witnessed the changes, and in an attempt to make any sense of them, and share this information I have continued to research the scientific reasoning behind them.

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Dedbeet, at the end of a run I tend to take a toke or two and then sit back and enjoy the comedown until I pass out. I remember hating that part way back when, but the comedown can be a lot of fun when its played right

 

[Dedbeet]

Dedbeet, at the end of a run I tend to take a toke or two and then sit back and enjoy the comedown until I pass out. I remember hating that part way back when, but the comedown can be a lot of fun when its played right

Normally, perhaps. On two nights sleep in the past 9 days (+ fairly constant PV use), it isn't that simple. It's a matter of what state you're facing when it wears off. Heavy physical/mental exhaustion combined with dopamine depletion can hit you like a wall safe falling out of the sky and send you into a hellish state of mind... although sleep tends to come eventually, provided you aren't dumb enough to pick up MDPV again.

Peace...

 

[Diia]

I was referring to 7-10 day runs with zero nights of sleep (more often than not - I suppose there were occasions where a small nap smacked me in the face)...although now I've decided to keep them at no more than 5-6 just to be a little kinder to my body

I can see where it could be a lot harder with the pv for some though. My first run I had a horrible second day, as I kept getting the doses closer and closer to what used to be done with ice cream.

 

[Dedbeet]

I was referring to 7-10 day runs with zero nights of sleep (more often than not - I suppose there were occasions where a small nap smacked me in the face)...although now I've decided to keep them at no more than 5-6 just to be a little kinder to my body

Well, okey doke... definitely not interested in a stim-endurance pissing contest . Everyone reacts differently. I'll reword and say sends me (the message author) into a hellish state of mind. Stuff like weed, or kratom, or alcohol doesn't help and only makes things worse at that point (i.e. Anhedonia -- all pleasure is temporarily a thing of the past), and there's nothing to do but lie in bed and hope to drop off to sleep soon.

Peace...

 

[Diia]

My apologies, wasn't aiming to offend you at all - I was hoping that if we both having similar length runs, then maybe there was something I do towards the end that you could as well to help.

I'm sorry its sucking so bad for ya. it's been a long time since I had to deal with a comedown that I didn't either enjoy, or find a way to enjoy, but I do remember having them pretty bad regularly some years back.

Its probably a difference in dosage. It does seem like I used to go through a lot more a lot faster back then

 

[Dedbeet]

My apologies, wasn't aiming to offend you at all - I was hoping that if we both having similar length runs, then maybe there was something I do towards the end that you could as well to help.

Naah, it's all good, ya didn't offend me. I'm amazed I can type at all at this point, to be honest. Way too zonked to be offended by anything. Appreciate the suggestion, although I'm not a weed smoker (haven't been for mucho years). Haven't even been lucky enough to be able to source benzos with this latest peevee adventuring I got reinvolved with in January... I used to be on Klonopin awhile back and that seemed to help a lot with PV-related issues. Have been dealing with PV pretty much head-on this time around.

Peace...

 

[Myshkin]

No, that's not quite it - the MDPV has to LEAVE the water in order to be eligible to share. And it doesn't really matter what there is in the aqueous layer - as long as something in there can hold more carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, or oxygen, the mdpv will make sure it gets them as it goes.

Ermmm.... okay.

So you're essentially advising people not to leave MDPV in water in case the MDPV spontaneously leaves the water, reacting with all manner of airborne chemicals as it goes, before returning to the solution having undergone a miraculous metamorphosis into either a psychedelic amphetamine or something really, really eeeevil?

Forgive me if I'm missing something, but this seems a little vague (not mention far-fetched) to me.

Come on, enlighten us.

 

[Dedbeet]

I'm off MDPV and not touching it again for a long while... went through a hellish comedown last night that included taking Effexor XR and it tweaking me out/keeping me awake the rest of the night. Uggggh. Horrible.

Peace...

 

[ektamine]

I'm off MDPV and not touching it again for a long while... went through a hellish comedown last night that included taking Effexor XR and it tweaking me out/keeping me awake the rest of the night. Uggggh. Horrible.

Peace...

Yeah the combo seems iffy. I took and Effexor XR (300mg) once the day after an MDPV based off some flawed hope that the N(D)RI (it effects dopamine apparently, but not instantaneously) effects of it would somehow curb some of the lasting comedown effects from the MDPV. It ended up with me having an anxiety and tension attack all night, unable to sleep.

 

[Dedbeet]

Yeah the combo seems iffy. I took and Effexor XR (300mg) once the day after an MDPV based off some flawed hope that the N(D)RI (it effects dopamine apparently, but not instantaneously) effects of it would somehow curb some of the lasting comedown effects from the MDPV. It ended up with me having an anxiety and tension attack all night, unable to sleep.

Well, one thing's for sure -- it doesn't help any with sleep deprivation and binge use thrown into the mix. Earlier on in a "peevee run" I don't notice any serious problems with the combination (except cutting me back on my dosing, which is not a bad thing)... it's only later that it becomes an issue.

Not getting near the rest of what's left (150-200mg) until I'm caught up on sleep and can finish it off without running into problems. A serious sleep deficit just kind of kills the whole stim experience, regardless of any issues w/mixing substances.

Peace...

 

[phillo]

i don't know if it's been discussed but mdpv is very active smoking like on tobacco no need for a crack pipe. i've just discovered this the hard way and am now fiending. i'm glad i'm giving everything in my posession to a more responsible friend for safe keeping...this stuff is too cheap and too addictive..

 

[Dedbeet]

i don't know if it's been discussed but mdpv is very active smoking like on tobacco no need for a crack pipe. i've just discovered this the hard way and am now fiending. i'm glad i'm giving everything in my posession to a more responsible friend for safe keeping...this stuff is too cheap and too addictive..

Sure... smoking it "works" fine any way you happen to do it.

Fwiw, fiending is much easier to resist right after you've been through hell with it, as it's obvious that what you're fiending for is going to make you feel like utter shit. If the fiending is irresistable, giving it to a friend for safekeeping (or even tossing the rest out) is a good idea.

PV's effects on dopamine definitely make it both fiendish and addictive -- has everything to do with brain chemistry, and little to do with being responsible or irresponsible.

Peace...