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MDPV Megathread 6: neko's cum guzzling cock juggling extravaganza!!
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Xamkou
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No, the title of thread 6 was originally something like "Binging on PeeVee, Wishen You Was Free". The Mephedrone megathread title is crap this time around too. 
If I can't find my ass from a hole in the ground, what do you suggest?posts past 1k are moved to the archive, this one is easy to find from the mdpv megathread in the title
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
nekointheclouds
Bluelight Crew
haha, someone changed it from the original title and I complained. So they decided to celebrate my juggling skills.
nekointheclouds
Bluelight Crew
I hate when I get a really tense neck from PV, lame-o.
Also Ded: I have been taking Rhodiola Rosea suppliments for my vasco problems. I used to have big problems when peevee binging, and tried a bunch of stuff, but the rhodeola was the only thing that helped.
Also Ded: I have been taking Rhodiola Rosea suppliments for my vasco problems. I used to have big problems when peevee binging, and tried a bunch of stuff, but the rhodeola was the only thing that helped.
Thanks... I started with some phenibut yesterday and it seems to be helping a bit "tweak-wise". Acquired a bag of peevee on the 7th, and the ride isn't over yet (although I've slept solidly a few times). This is the last time I plan on getting it and refuse to toilet-ize any... am still enjoying it too, when the sleep dep isn't too overboard.
Seems I can manage ~24 hours "on" after a really solid sleep before dopamine builds up too much, vasoconstriction gets heavy and perception/perspective goes south. Will look for Rhodiola Rosea at the drugstore & see if I can find it, as L-Arginine isn't doing a goddamn thing.
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Thanks for the tip! Ive been looking for remedies to PV's uber-wrath for ever, havent found anything yet. Ill give it try when some cash comes my way
wrong thread mate
Sorry about that, and thank you for putting it in the correct place.
My research is completed, and I find it extremely important to make it clear:
DO NOT ATTEMPT TO MAKE TAN PV.
For that matter - do not ever mix it with water. While I was indeed able to make the exact same thing stuffmonger was talking about (it was tan, and active under 1mg....VERY active at 2mg), it is NOT MDPV.
MDPV's chemical structure can change drastically while it is within water because it is hydrophilic. Add to that it's incredible instability in one of it's freebase forms (the one that ends in a -), and you can never know what you are going to get. You can be pretty confident, but even the slightest contaminant can change that into a deadly chemical.
In the range of things that mdpv can turn into in water, there are a number of psychadelic amphetamines, but there are also a number of much more dangerous things. And many of the molecular possibilities in that range are not understood, apparently not even by the 'professionals.'
Stuffmonger is extremely lucky that in his two worst attempts he only suffered a migraine, and temporary blindness. One of the chemical possibilites that appeared in that range was some sort of toxic cleaner (can't prove it, because most of the information about chemicals within that range are just not documented - and some of molecular builds have several different chemicals listed as the 'possible' chemical).
I apologize profusely for my input above. I am a huge advocate of harm reduction, and the fact that I did not test for possible hydrophilic tendencies was very irresponsible of me, prior to sharing my knowledge.
It is still possible to create a 'stable' freebase by adding an electron, and making it the + version, but since the - version is unstable, there is still no guarantee that you will have the same chemical even then. And I don't even see if it is possible to get that stable version without contaminating the MDPV+_ with pyrollide.
Please, everyone be safe!
Despite Neko's faith, I'd be surprised if anything could made a significant dent in the (peripheral) vasoconstriction when it gets heavy, except maybe for a solid dose of prescription blood pressure meds or amyl nitrates, that sort of thing. At the point I get it with any seriousness, dopamine has crossed over into norepinephrine and I'm tweaked all to hell.Thanks for the tip! Ive been looking for remedies to PV's uber-wrath for ever, havent found anything yet. Ill give it try when some cash comes my way
SmokeaJoint
Bluelighter
No lie, I take half a Viagra when dosing on RCs. Vasodialaton, plus meph and methylone make me fucking horny as hell, so the extra wood works in my favor. Kills the bluing in my fingers and gets the tingling to stop, so it works for me.
SmokeaJoint
Bluelighter
As for safety, I cannot say for sure. My heart felt fine durring those times, no arrhythmia that I could tell. I'm also 20, so my youth and vigor may be why.
Vasoconstriction + vasodialation, seems like a physiological speedball a bit doesn't it? I just got sick of shivering cuz of lack of blood in my skin, and I hated how my hands, feet, and knees discolored. I knew that Viagra vasodialates (being a nitrate) so I took a half, and no more issues with lack of blood in the extremities. Also, Idk what it did for the wood per se, because to me a hard on is a hard on. But it couldn't have hurt.
Vasoconstriction + vasodialation, seems like a physiological speedball a bit doesn't it? I just got sick of shivering cuz of lack of blood in my skin, and I hated how my hands, feet, and knees discolored. I knew that Viagra vasodialates (being a nitrate) so I took a half, and no more issues with lack of blood in the extremities. Also, Idk what it did for the wood per se, because to me a hard on is a hard on. But it couldn't have hurt.
I vaguely remember Shambles talking about combining Viagra w/ MDPV and other stims, though I don't remember if he had any sources handy.
I have heard more than once though, that combining vasodilators w/ stimulants should be avoided unless in the presence of a doctor, as it seems to be a complex issue with many possible dangers.
I have tried it once myself, combining Sildenafil (Viagra) with MDPV. I was doing it for the same reasons listed above – to ease vasoconstriction and eliminate stim-cock. It certainly does the trick.
I have heard more than once though, that combining vasodilators w/ stimulants should be avoided unless in the presence of a doctor, as it seems to be a complex issue with many possible dangers.
I have tried it once myself, combining Sildenafil (Viagra) with MDPV. I was doing it for the same reasons listed above – to ease vasoconstriction and eliminate stim-cock. It certainly does the trick.
The main thing to avoid is beta blockers, as stims are alpha-adrenergic and blocking beta-adrenergic response makes the alpha worse. Calcium channel blockers like verapamil are supposed to be OK, but that class of drugs carries its own risks and often needs a day or two to "kick in".
IME, when dopamine reaches "critical" and shifts to NE on a peevee binge, it's too intense to do much for it. Dunno how many peeps experience what I do, but generally speaking it turns into moderate-to-strong peripheral vasoconstriction (hands, elbows, knees), bigtime tweakage, and visual-auditory distortions (e.g. white noise sounding like a power drill inside a tunnel), and dosing PV any further just adds to the problem and doesn't get me high anymore. All I can think of that could do this would be an overdose of dopamine, as the condition persists beyond where I should have come down.
Whatever it is, it doesn't feel physically safe and it worries me. This latest PV purchase could bite me hard in the ass, and I'd have no one to blame but myself.
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No, the title of thread 6 was originally something like "Binging on PeeVee, Wishen You Was Free". The Mephedrone megathread title is crap this time around too.
wishen isn't a word, when members try and memberate shitty titles it's tradition they get ripped in the title. as long a the thread has [substance name] [Megathread] in the title it all goooood.
Shambles
Bluelight Crew
Shambles did mention finding the Viagra + Stim combo uncomfortable on a number of occasions and with a variety of stims. Others seem to find it goes fine. There's an ADD thread discussing the potential dangers associated with combining vasodilators with constrictors if you go a-looking for it. It's mostly specific to mephedrone but it's the intrinsic iffiness of combined dilators and constrictors I'd be more worried about. But, again, it's likely to be a mostly personal thing. But it didn't feel at all pleasant or safe most times I tried Viagra for any reason on stims. A single aspirin and plenty of hydration (within reason) seemed to help me most without any dodgy-feeling stuff afoot but sure that's not ideal either.
I have no sources to hand to back up what I just said but, at the risk of slight hypocrisy, do you have any to back up any of that? Psychedelic amphetamines and "some sort of toxic cleaner" can be made randomly simply by combining MDPV with water? Really? Am no chemist but that sounds even less feasible than the actual Stuffmongerisation Process itself. Linky? Sounds impossible but will be trying the technique soon so would be good to read up on
I would like to hear more information / sources about the dangers of combining blood pressure medication with MDPV. The reason being I have tried both beta-blockers and calcium channel blockers a few times when binging on MDPV, and they certainly make things a lot easier when the serious vasoconstriction kicks in from abusing PV. I tried each one separately about 2 times, and I forget which one worked better but I remember one was much more effective than the other. None-the-less I won't be trying either again until I get the facts in.
Definitely, I experience similar situations almost every time I get a bag of PV in the mail. Even when its become quite apparent that I've crossed this line, it still takes all of my self-control to call it quits
Shambles did mention finding the Viagra + Stim combo uncomfortable on a number of occasions and with a variety of stims. Others seem to find it goes fine. There's an ADD thread discussing the potential dangers associated with combining vasodilators with constrictors if you go a-looking for it. It's mostly specific to mephedrone but it's the intrinsic iffiness of combined dilators and constrictors I'd be more worried about. But, again, it's likely to be a mostly personal thing. But it didn't feel at all pleasant or safe most times I tried Viagra for any reason on stims. A single aspirin and plenty of hydration (within reason) seemed to help me most without any dodgy-feeling stuff afoot but sure that's not ideal either.
I have no sources to hand to back up what I just said but, at the risk of slight hypocrisy, do you have any to back up any of that? Psychedelic amphetamines and "some sort of toxic cleaner" can be made randomly simply by combining MDPV with water? Really? Am no chemist but that sounds even less feasible than the actual Stuffmongerisation Process itself. Linky? Sounds impossible but will be trying the technique soon so would be good to read up on
"some sort of toxic cleaner" - While trying to look up each molecular build that could be reached after passing mdpv through water, one of the builds had several different possible chemicals it might be including some sort of toxic cleanser - there wasn't even a confirmation of which chemical definately fit that particular build. Others had no information. That is what I meant by it could not be confirmed (the cleaner that is).
Try searching for every possible chemical that C16H21NO3 could turn into (it's a bit tricky, because not all chemicals in the range are known, or are not listed anywhere online) when passed through water. The chemicals can go down by as much as 3.
It's not simply mixing MDPV with water - there has to be something else in there as well. There are numerous places where information on hydrophilic chemicals are available. If I could give a resource as to the exact chemicals MDPV could turn into, I wouldn't have needed to run the tests myself (not that it wasn't fun)
Basically, a hydrophilic chemical is passed through water, that said chemical will share some of it's atoms with other molecules in the water if they can take them. If one simply took mdpv and put it in water, then there would be nothing for the mdpv to share it's atoms with, and therefore it would remain mdpv.
Looking up mdpv chemical details (again, pretty much anywhere) will explain that it is hydrophilic.
And if you run through a quick look up of the possible combinations in its range (mdpv is C16H21NO3), you will see things such as PPP, MPPP, alpha-PPP, and a few others. I can't confirm that every one of them is possible to create that is within that range, but I can confirm that I've got some packaged up now.
I may not have the details at 100% but the chemical nature of MDPV is not hard to find, nor is information on hydrophilic chemicals.
And I would definately not suggest attempting the procedure. I felt like a real idiot when I overlooked mdpv being hydrophlic. If I had known that from the start, I would have skipped the tests all together. The point is it would be really easy to get quite a few unexpected results.
Edit: When I ran through the experiment myself, I honestly expected no change to the chemical, or at best a slight improvement due to the change from C16H21NO3- to C16H21NO3+ due to the added electron provided by oxidizing the base for stability. Just to be at least moderately safe, only small amount was tested. You cannot imagine the shock when I realized that the chemical was definately not what I thought it was going to be.
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Shambles
Bluelight Crew
PPP, MPPP and alpha-PPP are all fairly closely related and broadly similar drugs to MDPV, aren't they? Although MPPP is apparently an opioid as well but probably not the same MPPP. Abbreviations ftl
I was under the impression that to make one substance produce another involves a bit more work than just adding bicarb, heat and water which is all that supposed tan process involves. If you end up with something other than MDPV or something extremely similar (freebase MDPV that was somehow stable enough to be useful is about as bad an unedjikated guess as I can muster offhand) then you must be adding something else to begin with surely?
How would it become a totally different substance or even a range of new substances without any obvious cause for it to possible? Isn't that precisely why the chemistry (specifically the lack thereof) of the technique is generally thought to be highly improbable? Somewhat obviously I am not very chemically-minded, but as far as I can see it's just freebasing with the carrot of possibly actually having something usable when you dry it if you're lucky. And yes, even my lack of chemistry knowledge is wincing slightly at the thought of suggesting that :D
Is it a contamination risk that you are pointing out? Could see how getting *other stuff* in with it could produce something completely new and unexpected but if all you're doing is adding bicarb, heat and water and using clean utensils and that then I don't get how that would become a different drug entirely. Or is it other substances present in the water you use the concern, maybe? And if so distilled would be better, I presume?
Apologies for questions but answers are Good Things especially on questionable issues. And there are few more questionable issues discussed on BL than "That Thread" :D
I was under the impression that to make one substance produce another involves a bit more work than just adding bicarb, heat and water which is all that supposed tan process involves. If you end up with something other than MDPV or something extremely similar (freebase MDPV that was somehow stable enough to be useful is about as bad an unedjikated guess as I can muster offhand) then you must be adding something else to begin with surely?
How would it become a totally different substance or even a range of new substances without any obvious cause for it to possible? Isn't that precisely why the chemistry (specifically the lack thereof) of the technique is generally thought to be highly improbable? Somewhat obviously I am not very chemically-minded, but as far as I can see it's just freebasing with the carrot of possibly actually having something usable when you dry it if you're lucky. And yes, even my lack of chemistry knowledge is wincing slightly at the thought of suggesting that :D
Is it a contamination risk that you are pointing out? Could see how getting *other stuff* in with it could produce something completely new and unexpected but if all you're doing is adding bicarb, heat and water and using clean utensils and that then I don't get how that would become a different drug entirely. Or is it other substances present in the water you use the concern, maybe? And if so distilled would be better, I presume?
Apologies for questions but answers are Good Things especially on questionable issues. And there are few more questionable issues discussed on BL than "That Thread" :D
Shambles, you are correct for the most part. Generally speaking the act of changing a chemical to another requires step by step processing.
However, there are some molecules (and now that I've gone through this I kind of vaguely remember learning about it in school) that can be changed much more easily. In this case with MDPV the reason it can so easily be changed is because it is hydrophilic.
With an even greater knowledge of chemistry, and more tools, I am banking that I could do this again with more confidence and safety, but without a full blown lab, dealing with a chemical that is this easy to change is dangerous, because, who knows what tiny contaminant could slip into the water, and alter the results.
However, there are some molecules (and now that I've gone through this I kind of vaguely remember learning about it in school) that can be changed much more easily. In this case with MDPV the reason it can so easily be changed is because it is hydrophilic.
With an even greater knowledge of chemistry, and more tools, I am banking that I could do this again with more confidence and safety, but without a full blown lab, dealing with a chemical that is this easy to change is dangerous, because, who knows what tiny contaminant could slip into the water, and alter the results.