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I just smoked marijuana again because I can't let the trauma of the panic attack stop me from smoking an herb. and guess what? no depersonalization. Less than 24 hours of a comedown and i already feel normal again. And Jesus i asure you guys it was crazy shit yesterday. This only proovs to me that depersonalization can be triggered by low serotonin levels after taking mdma. I did one fucking gram of PURE MDMA 24 hours ago guys and im already feeling normal smoking weed, It,’s NOT brain damage. Its low serotonin levels witch makes you see reality different and thats terrifyng than you immediatly associate that to a permanent damage caused by the substances you took, your brain is basically programmed to react this way, otherwise you would just making the same mistake over and over. Once you start with that feeling that you permanently damaged your brain, your ANXIETY triggers a hipervigilant mode when you are always thinking about depersonalization, that you dont feel things like you felt before. And THAT is what cause the rest of all things that we read multiple times here. Brain fog, blured vision, depression, disconnection from reality. Believe me guys it may take longer to some most than others but eventually you Will get better.
 
Samoz,

You remind me so much at the worst days. The dark time. The great depression, how I like to name it. But think about it. All this sympthons that you have like pain, they werent immediatly present since Day one of your LTC, right? I can bet on that. Its your anxiety man. Send me a private message and i Will give you my number, we can talk. You probably are in an obssessive state about neuro damage because onde day things looked like something and the other and all days after it’s different. But the diffferent would take just a feel hours or days to come back to normal. What really puts you into this state is the anxiety depersonalization which was triggered. Once you know that, start to distract yourself, play videogames, smoke some weed if you can, after all you are already fucked, You can handle a panic attack if you feel like it. DISTRACT yourself so much that one day you will be in a trip with your friends, or playing a videogame, or eating something delicious and you will realize: “hey I’m normal again” and that brings you to te stage 2 where you will be terrified of that happen again and YES it can come back because of the anxiety. But every time that you come back to normal, every 30 seconds that you feel distracted, every time that you feel love, or pain, or guilt, or anything. You are feeling, you are living. I know that for us that depersonalize even PAIN and guilty and SADNESS would be a good thing because in depersonalization you don’t feel nothing but darkness and dispair. So embrace every sensation and evetually things comeback to normal.
 
Hi everybody
I just want to now somthink
Why the f......k the med dont work again on me
I was treated and healed in 2018 i took the mediacation for 5 month then stoped it cuz i felt healed i took some corticoid ( prednisone) and bam all the symptoms cale back with full force
Fasciculation
Muscle spasm
Insomnia
Anxiety
Muscle aches
Buring skin sensation
Tence body ( akathisia)
 
Im taking meds again but the Symptoms are just calmed down to 40% maybe
When i first started the med the first time in 2018 prozac , amisulpride, xanax ) all the symptoms faded in 10 days
Any tought
One cigarette give me anxiety
Please need help
 
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Im taking meds again but the Symptoms are just calmed down to 40% maybe
When i first started the med the first time in 2018 prozac , amisulpride, xanax ) all the symptoms faded in 10 days
Any tought
One cigarette give me anxiety
Please need help

give yourself time. maybe talk to your doctor about trying an SSRI or SNRI again instead of a tricyclic if it doesn't end up helping. maybe you need to get up to a higher dose though? i didn't feel better from effexor until i was at 225mg and i started at 75mg. i'm not sure exactly how long tricyclics take but SSRI can take several months.
 
Hey guys,

Question to the recovered ones...

Is the fatigue going to fade complete and are you feeling refreshed after a good nights sleep?

Nearly 20 months in... Progress is overall positive, Nevertheless annoying...

The fatigue hinders me the most to function
In everyday life.... I am working out 5 times per week, seems to worsen the constant exhausation and lack of freshness :/
 
Hey guys,

Question to the recovered ones...

Is the fatigue going to fade complete and are you feeling refreshed after a good nights sleep?

Nearly 20 months in... Progress is overall positive, Nevertheless annoying...

The fatigue hinders me the most to function
In everyday life.... I am working out 5 times per week, seems to worsen the constant exhausation and lack of freshness :/

yes eventually the fatigue fades. All symptoms dissappear eventually.

I sleep about 6-8 hours on average. Usually its 5-7 hours then every now and then I will need a couple 8 hour nights.

nearly 35 months in over here. Full recovery was like at the 30 month mark or something. From the month 20 to 30 range I felt 95% recovered, but some things were missing like I'd still get anxiety from time to time. I would still get frequent episodes of depression. my laugh still wasn't deep and wasnt a belly laugh (it was like a fake, forced, painful and shitty laugh. i hated it). and my emotions were still hazy.

im not a big health guru but 5x a week while going through a severe anxiety disorder might be overkill. I mean for the most part, all I ever did was cardio and that seemed to help me. Maybe try switching your workouts to be mostly cardio?
 
Hey guys,

Question to the recovered ones...

Is the fatigue going to fade complete and are you feeling refreshed after a good nights sleep?

Nearly 20 months in... Progress is overall positive, Nevertheless annoying...

The fatigue hinders me the most to function
In everyday life.... I am working out 5 times per week, seems to worsen the constant exhausation and lack of freshness :/
I can say it took me 20 month for the fatigue to fade away i dont have anymore fatigue no dizzinezz no skiped heart beat but i still deal with annoying another symptoms muscle twitching all over pressure in the abdomen back ache sleep deprivation
 
yes eventually the fatigue fades. All symptoms dissappear eventually.

I sleep about 6-8 hours on average. Usually its 5-7 hours then every now and then I will need a couple 8 hour nights.

nearly 35 months in over here. Full recovery was like at the 30 month mark or something. From the month 20 to 30 range I felt 95% recovered, but some things were missing like I'd still get anxiety from time to time. I would still get frequent episodes of depression. my laugh still wasn't deep and wasnt a belly laugh (it was like a fake, forced, painful and shitty laugh. i hated it). and my emotions were still hazy.

im not a big health guru but 5x a week while going through a severe anxiety disorder might be overkill. I mean for the most part, all I ever did was cardio and that seemed to help me. Maybe try switching your workouts to be mostly cardio?
Hey lion
What were your physical symptoms?
 
Hey guys,

Question to the recovered ones...

Is the fatigue going to fade complete and are you feeling refreshed after a good nights sleep?

Nearly 20 months in... Progress is overall positive, Nevertheless annoying...

The fatigue hinders me the most to function
In everyday life.... I am working out 5 times per week, seems to worsen the constant exhausation and lack of freshness :/

YES! It will fade. But you must Check if this fatigue isnt being caused by medication that you are in. In my case seroquel gave me a lot of fatigue and when I stopped it went away.
 
This evil drug destroyed everything i loved about myself. there’s nothing left. f**k MDMA, molly, ecstasy... whatever you want to call it. i had one life, one chance to do something special with my time in this existence and reality. i royally screwed my brain for life, nothing can be done to reverse what has happened to the neuronal and chemical structure of my brain. i long for the day i finally go through with killing myself. and if i don’t, i truly feel sorry for my future self. as i will have had to endure a life that is only a mere shadow of who i could’ve been. i ruined every last drop of potential i had on this planet and it kills me inside that one stupid, ignorant choice is all it took. i envy those who actually have hope for their lives after taking this drug, because it does nothing but wreck the brains chemical structure forever. whether you realize it or not. you can’t go back to how you were before, you can only compensate for what damages have been done. i hate that i’m too scared of death and even more-so that it’s my only true way out of this nightmare. the regret i face every waking moment of my life is absolute torture and i’m not sure if my broken mind can handle it for much longer. i don’t even know why i’m posting this because it’s not going to change anything at all... but whatever. i hate myself.

If you didn't abuse MDMA, but had moderate use then the substance just destroyed your stress handling capabilities of the brain. Some people are vulnerable without any substance to unlock it in the first place.

You don't have brain damage, that's proven dozens of times here with people going to 100% recovery in medication and then relapse eventually. If you had a broken arm it can't heal and then get broken again just like that. I know the brain is much more complicated, but if a simple antidepressant can alter ALL the symptoms to some people with LTC it means there's huge potential to recover and build a new mindset.

No MDMA didn't change you forever, the struggle you're going through is... And that's not always a bad thing.

Stop talking about stupid suicide and just fight these irrational thoughts. When I'm down I force hard myself to remember there's better days and it's up to me to make the better one more.
 
This evil drug destroyed everything i loved about myself. there’s nothing left. f**k MDMA, molly, ecstasy... whatever you want to call it. i had one life, one chance to do something special with my time in this existence and reality. i royally screwed my brain for life, nothing can be done to reverse what has happened to the neuronal and chemical structure of my brain. i long for the day i finally go through with killing myself. and if i don’t, i truly feel sorry for my future self. as i will have had to endure a life that is only a mere shadow of who i could’ve been. i ruined every last drop of potential i had on this planet and it kills me inside that one stupid, ignorant choice is all it took. i envy those who actually have hope for their lives after taking this drug, because it does nothing but wreck the brains chemical structure forever. whether you realize it or not. you can’t go back to how you were before, you can only compensate for what damages have been done. i hate that i’m too scared of death and even more-so that it’s my only true way out of this nightmare. the regret i face every waking moment of my life is absolute torture and i’m not sure if my broken mind can handle it for much longer. i don’t even know why i’m posting this because it’s not going to change anything at all... but whatever. i hate myself.
How long you are in your ltc
 
This evil drug destroyed everything i loved about myself. there’s nothing left. f**k MDMA, molly, ecstasy... whatever you want to call it. i had one life, one chance to do something special with my time in this existence and reality. i royally screwed my brain for life, nothing can be done to reverse what has happened to the neuronal and chemical structure of my brain. i long for the day i finally go through with killing myself. and if i don’t, i truly feel sorry for my future self. as i will have had to endure a life that is only a mere shadow of who i could’ve been. i ruined every last drop of potential i had on this planet and it kills me inside that one stupid, ignorant choice is all it took. i envy those who actually have hope for their lives after taking this drug, because it does nothing but wreck the brains chemical structure forever. whether you realize it or not. you can’t go back to how you were before, you can only compensate for what damages have been done. i hate that i’m too scared of death and even more-so that it’s my only true way out of this nightmare. the regret i face every waking moment of my life is absolute torture and i’m not sure if my broken mind can handle it for much longer. i don’t even know why i’m posting this because it’s not going to change anything at all... but whatever. i hate myself.
I actually can totally emphasise with much of what you day here, in terms of the desperacy of the pain of your emotions and mindset, feelings about death etc.

However- not in relation to MDMA. I took 3000-3500 MDMA pills myself 1996-2005.

I had some periods of darkness, deptession, cognitive dysfunction etc, and at times what would be, to anyone without an incredibly strong mind, downright terryfying in terms of actual physical, physiological and psychological symptoms.

However bizarrely I did not record experiencing this to any noticeable bothering or disturbing degree by 2005 when I was forced to stop taking all MDMA due to developing long-term Lyme disease which completely destroyed my life as it was and it has never been the same since.

I do not consider myself at all currently to be suffering as a result of my MDMA abusage despite the facts I totally obliterated and trashed my brain and serotonergic system.

But the way you describe feeling that sense of Despair and hopelessness and desperation is what I experienced myself daily due to the extremely high level of pain and suffering I am enduring due to long-term illness and the most severe allergies and Incredibly severe chronic recurring respiratory infections due to Total immune destruction from Lyme disease.

Add in an extremely severe anxiety disorder with long-term clinical depression which I guess yes I have to accept is directly related at least in part to the damage I did to my serotonergic and neurotransmitter system with MDMA abusage.


But @Shmizz my point I wish to make you is you've given us no details or context as to how long you have been taking MDMA how often what doses when you last took it etc?

I mean if you were to tell me that you have been on some heavy benders fairly recently and even several months ago and are still feeling deeply depressed and not yourself in many ways I would say to you just hang in there because it's actually very early days yet and you can never know what will happen and how are you will feel in the future sometimes it is part of a process to go to the absolute Rock Bottom levels of Despair and bleakness but that does not mean that everything cannot be renewed again in time.

I genuinely believe that and like I say say I don't walk around feeling depressed or even regretful about my own MDMA abuse and damage because if my life destroying illness and allergies were cured tomorrow I would be jumping for joy in "ecstasy" at life lol!

Hanging there my friend maybe add a few more contextual details and facts that way you will without question received much better and more appropriate advice and feedback.
 
If you didn't abuse MDMA, but had moderate use then the substance just destroyed your stress handling capabilities of the brain. Some people are vulnerable without any substance to unlock it in the first place.

You don't have brain damage, that's proven dozens of times here with people going to 100% recovery in medication and then relapse eventually. If you had a broken arm it can't heal and then get broken again just like that. I know the brain is much more complicated, but if a simple antidepressant can alter ALL the symptoms to some people with LTC it means there's huge potential to recover and build a new mindset.

No MDMA didn't change you forever, the struggle you're going through is... And that's not always a bad thing.

Stop talking about stupid suicide and just fight these irrational thoughts. When I'm down I force hard myself to remember there's better days and it's up to me to make the better one more.
Haha, I can honestly only commend and support you mate on your strong and positive urge away from suicide.

But I must confess, if Legal Euthenasia was actually affordable (it's like £10,000 in Switzerland only), it would be on my mind, but only because life has become such an unbearable experience of extreme pain and sufferring for so long with seemingly no solution or any fun in life, excitement and hooe for the future.

I actually believe euthenasia should be available for the carefully approved right people, at the right time.

Imagine if we were not allowed to have our sick and dying pets put to sleep?

It is a very contentious, difficult issue of course.

Shucks, sorry guys, really didn't mean to be so morbid. I'm just a deep thinker and philosopher at heart and naturally explore all avenues of thought.

I usually come here to try and raise spirits! Whoops, lol!
 
Haha, I can honestly only commend and support you mate on your strong and positive urge away from suicide.

But I must confess, if Legal Euthenasia was actually affordable (it's like £10,000 in Switzerland only), it would be on my mind, but only because life has become such an unbearable experience of extreme pain and sufferring for so long with seemingly no solution or any fun in life, excitement and hooe for the future.

I actually believe euthenasia should be available for the carefully approved right people, at the right time.

Imagine if we were not allowed to have our sick and dying pets put to sleep?

It is a very contentious, difficult issue of course.

Shucks, sorry guys, really didn't mean to be so morbid. I'm just a deep thinker and philosopher at heart and naturally explore all avenues of thought.

I usually come here to try and raise spirits! Whoops, lol!

Glad you're thinking so mate... About the follow-up I'm really not in your shoes and can't tell what you're going through, but even for my lowest points death was much worse option. I'm talking about horrible depersonalization and derealization that I'm not capable to stand on my feet and believe my surroundings to be real.

Had horrible depression where I've been feeling physical pain out of sadness. Had anxiety attacks so strong that couldn't let me build a single sentence in my head combined with destroying head pressure...

But even going through this nightmare death is the ultimate game over... Like life is just awesome. Even with the pain, yeah the drawing isn't always happy, but it's nothing short of remarkable.

Death is just non-existence, and true I've had anehdonia too, where someone beating me or having an ice cream would feel the same, but in the moments where I didn't have it I would be blessed with excitement about something.

Can actually flex and tell you that mdma didn't destroy everything in our condition, for an example I've took a motorcycle course and was the best from the group by far and now I'm riding like a champ. MDMA didn't take away this from me...

Also I'm excited about futurism, for an example neuralink seems in very early phases, but its potential is to cure us completely from our congitive deficits and anxiety/depression. And it's backed up by the person who made electric cars a commercial reality, along with reusable rockets... Something governments like US and Russia failed doing. So if it's possible it's in Musk's hands.

Also if you're reading so far, wanna say how much respect and admiration I have for you to fight like that and don't give up. It's just a hardship not many can imagine let alone walk through.
 
Glad you're thinking so mate... About the follow-up I'm really not in your shoes and can't tell what you're going through, but even for my lowest points death was much worse option. I'm talking about horrible depersonalization and derealization that I'm not capable to stand on my feet and believe my surroundings to be real.

Had horrible depression where I've been feeling physical pain out of sadness. Had anxiety attacks so strong that couldn't let me build a single sentence in my head combined with destroying head pressure...

But even going through this nightmare death is the ultimate game over... Like life is just awesome. Even with the pain, yeah the drawing isn't always happy, but it's nothing short of remarkable.

Death is just non-existence, and true I've had anehdonia too, where someone beating me or having an ice cream would feel the same, but in the moments where I didn't have it I would be blessed with excitement about something.

Can actually flex and tell you that mdma didn't destroy everything in our condition, for an example I've took a motorcycle course and was the best from the group by far and now I'm riding like a champ. MDMA didn't take away this from me...

Also I'm excited about futurism, for an example neuralink seems in very early phases, but its potential is to cure us completely from our congitive deficits and anxiety/depression. And it's backed up by the person who made electric cars a commercial reality, along with reusable rockets... Something governments like US and Russia failed doing. So if it's possible it's in Musk's hands.

Also if you're reading so far, wanna say how much respect and admiration I have for you to fight like that and don't give up. It's just a hardship not many can imagine let alone walk through.
Hey thanks a great lot mate for those compassionate and well Thought Out words and I actually anticipated you replying to me today as it happens with some words of supports and positive perspective would you believe.

Really appreciate that my friend and and I will will reply a little further later on when I'm in in brighter condition
 
I appreciate the advice and I’m looking for a neurologist at the moment. The therapist says it’s highly unlikely this was caused by the MDMA. She said the symptoms I’m having are typically from people who abuse the drug heavily and not at the dose that I took. However after doing some research it seems like the dose that I took is much more than what is recommend for therapeutic use by MAPS.

Where is it legal in the world to have a therapist or psychiatrist to administer MDMA during a session when it isn't approved by the Food & Drug Administration??
 
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