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LifeLesson said:
Lion's mane is incredible. Now, I am not sure if this mushroom helped speed up the recovery proccess (probably though) but it helped with the overall feeling of well-being. My thoughts became clearer, had more motivation to do things, music became enjoyable. I suggest experimenting with other mushrooms too, like cordyceps. I made a post about this 2 days ago but basically taking Lion's mane and cordyceps together removed a great amount of brain fog for me.

Oh, I forgot to add that drinking tea relieves a lot of stress. It also temporary subdues the constant headaches the LTC creates. I got a cold 2 weeks ago and that's where I discovered this when I started drinking tea. Of course I was aware about the calming effects but I didn't really care to bother. Now, that I have fallen in love with this activity, I've added it to my daily routine.
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Have you also tried green tea? Lower in caffeine, caffeine can massively enhance anxiety for some people. Black tea and coffee can work both ways depending on the person.

Green teas are a better option for those who are especially prone to anxiety from black tea and coffee and green tea is still very high in tannin which is is playing a large role in that calming effect you are describing.

Tannin is also present in many other herbal teas especially peppermint as well as red wine of course and is what causes these drinks to stain teeth.

I know this full well because I used to drink peppermint tea religiously until I become intolerant to it but I also have not been able to use any type of toothpaste for 14 years I only use Himalayan salt due to adverse reactions to everything else I've tried and when I was drinking peppermint tea my teeth were permanently dark green and there was nothing I can do about it due to the High tannin content in the peppermint.
 
LifeLesson said:
Lion's mane is incredible. Now, I am not sure if this mushroom helped speed up the recovery proccess (probably though) but it helped with the overall feeling of well-being. My thoughts became clearer, had more motivation to do things, music became enjoyable. I suggest experimenting with other mushrooms too, like cordyceps. I made a post about this 2 days ago but basically taking Lion's mane and cordyceps together removed a great amount of brain fog for me.

Oh, I forgot to add that drinking tea relieves a lot of stress. It also temporary subdues the constant headaches the LTC creates. I got a cold 2 weeks ago and that's where I discovered this when I started drinking tea. Of course I was aware about the calming effects but I didn't really care to bother. Now, that I have fallen in love with this activity, I've added it to my daily routine.
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That’s really encouraging! Iv read a couple of studies on the extract from Lions mane and how it increases NGF (nerve growth factor) so I thought maybe this would help in repairing damaged serotonin axons and terminals from Mdma use? I know for a fact it increases neurotransmitters such a serotonin and dopamine in stress depressed mice, how it does this I do not fully understand! But if it helps provide a senses of wellbeing in general and the rest takes time to heal then I’m still more than happy! As a lack of a sense of well being is my biggest issue! Physical symptoms don’t bother me as much and I can easily tolerate them! Would you care to elaborate on what you mean by 3D thinking and how it helped with that? ? I might be experiencing something similar!
 
Wentworth211 said:
That’s really encouraging! Iv read a couple of studies on the extract from Lions mane and how it increases NGF (nerve growth factor) so I thought maybe this would help in repairing damaged serotonin axons and terminals from Mdma use? I know for a fact it increases neurotransmitters such a serotonin and dopamine in stress depressed mice, how it does this I do not fully understand! But if it helps provide a senses of wellbeing in general and the rest takes time to heal then I’m still more than happy! As a lack of a sense of well being is my biggest issue! Physical symptoms don’t bother me as much and I can easily tolerate them! Would you care to elaborate on what you mean by 3D thinking and how it helped with that? ? I might be experiencing something similar!
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"I know for a fact it increases neurotransmitters such a serotonin and dopamine in stress depressed mice"
YES, it did exactly that after I took my first 420mg rice capsule of Lion's mane. I didn't have any expections, only "Let's see where this will go". I took it and left for work, and as usual, I started to listen to some music on the way there. For the first time in a month I felt some kind of joy out of music and it actually made me tear up a bit. It was like somewhere in this seemingly endless dark tunnel, a tiny light started shining. This may exactly sound like a "placebo effect" but in my opinion it was far from that.

That was exactly 35 days ago which is the number of days I have been taking it, 420mg capsules, three times a day. I don't plan on stopping any time soon because of it's health benefits. The only side effect is that it creates a weird, indescribable feeling in the head which isn't alarming or anything but is just "different" and something to get used to.

Behind "3D thinking" I basically meant that thoughts started to come and go more easily, as well was the ability to "picture" things in my head. My memory was also improved but not by a huge margin. To me, it did everything I hoped for to make this recovery process easier to deal with and possibly faster.

I'm also interested in the idea of doing shrooms to further get out of a LTC or maybe gain more acceptance over the situation. I've heard some even got rid of their permanent headaches with it but this will still probably be a very stupid idea. What are fellow bluelighters' thoughts on this?
 
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@LifeLesson do you still have headaches? My constant headache seemed to dissipate very quickly the last few days, I only got a weird head sensation a few times today (when I started worrying about symptoms). I'm just past 2 months since my MDMA abuse.

Also, the only things left bothering me seem to be:

- I get the feeling I won't be normal again sometimes.
- On Sunday I had felt this badly and I felt alienated from my family and surroundings.
- As I fall asleep, I have weird thoughts that pop into my head, almost uncontrollably like they're not mine.
- Once I get to work in the mornings I feel "fuzzy" like I can't really focus, but I have no problems getting tasks done. It's just a weird feeling.
- Stomach pain is mostly gone now. Not sure what it was, never got the ultrasound done as I had work get in the way.

Seems like my problems are shifting to be more mental than anything, which ironically I've been most afraid of, being that I've always doubted my mental strength growing up.

Also, a lot of these "issues" seem to be very similar to a friend of mine who has never taken psychedelics or MDMA. He's only smoked weed, but he has always had very bad anxiety growing up.

This further makes me believe the "LTC" is just an anxiety symptom brought on by extreme trauma done to the brain/body.
 
#1 cure for the LTC and any massive drug induced anxiety issues = 20 minutes of sprints in the morning.

20 seconds of sprint at max speed. 40 sec of walking. 20 seconds of full bore sprint. etc. do 20x of those for a 20 min workout.

Do that in the early morning every day, like within 30-60 minutes of waking up. Just try it out, ignore the fact that its shitty and difficult and do it for 10 days. Keep a journal and see what happens.
 
LifeLesson said:
"I know for a fact it increases neurotransmitters such a serotonin and dopamine in stress depressed mice"
YES, it did exactly that after I took my first 420mg rice capsule of Lion's mane. I didn't have any expections, only "Let's see where this will go". I took it and left for work, and as usual, I started to listen to some music on the way there. For the first time in a month I felt some kind of joy out of music and it actually made me tear up a bit. It was like somewhere in this seemingly endless dark tunnel, a tiny light started shining. This may exactly sound like a "placebo effect" but in my opinion it was far from that.

That was exactly 35 days ago which is the number of days I have been taking it, 420mg capsules, three times a day. I don't plan on stopping any time soon because of it's health benefits. The only side effect is that it creates a weird, indescribable feeling in the head which isn't alarming or anything but is just "different" and something to get used to.

Behind "3D thinking" I basically meant that thoughts started to come and go more easily, as well was the ability to "picture" things in my head. My memory was also improved but not by a huge margin. To me, it did everything I hoped for to make this recovery process easier to deal with and possibly faster.

I'm also interested in the idea of doing shrooms to further get out of a LTC or maybe gain more acceptance over the situation. I've heard some even got rid of their permanent headaches with it but this will still probably be a very stupid idea. What are fellow bluelighters' thoughts on this?
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Do you think it helps with patterns of thought? Like your thoughts run less wild? One of my biggest problems since this started is that I can’t control my thinking. And like someone else said it’s scary haha. If that’s what you meant by thoughts come and go much easier then that’s awesome ?. If you could rate how you felt before the Cordyceps and Lions mane out of ten and then after using them for a while out of ten as in now that would be interesting? cardio definitely helps a bit I reckon, iv only tried jogging for 15 or so minutes and then lifting weights at the gym but would be interested in seeing if sprints make more of a positive difference? This forum is probably the most helpful place for anyone out there going through stuff like this, people you can relate to and provide advice for what works and what doesn’t.. how good and many thanks to the posters who come back and post after they have recovered, lifts moral for the rest of us still in the dryer!
 
@Wentworth211 I don't think it necessarily impacts patterns of thought but just makes thinking "clear". I know, I've used the word "clear" far too many times to describe the effects of Lion's mane but in my opinion it suits best. It's hard to rate how I felt prior to Lion's mane and now because it helps in so many different areas but i'd say my recovery got real fast at the end of the first month of my LTC. That was the time I really started to go to the gym again and of course, started taking Lion's mane. In the end, you have to try Lion's mane yourself to really experience what it does.

Just before crashing into the LTC, I remember my thoughts also running quite wild at least once a day. I remember my head heating up, thoughts getting really fast etc. What I did was turn on a relaxing playlist and go for a nap, which actually worked. So, what I'm thinking is, maybe it's part of the recovery process, as I had this problem 2-3 weeks before crashing? Anyway, You are in control of Your thoughts, no evil spirits or anything can control what You think, remember that.

@rinzzlerr Our LTC's pretty much started at the same time, mine just a week earlier. My headaches are also starting to go away, only what's left is a slight pressure spot behind my left ear, which I notice maybe a few times a day. You mentioned being "fuzzy" in the mornings, well in fact, when I wake up, my headaches are at the worst, so maybe our bodies just need some time to wake up to really get going.

To add to my current status in the LTC, my head sometimes still get's hot but not as much as before. A big chunk of my anxiety was relived when I read some of you had the same problem and I was not alone.

Right now, this is what I do to try to get out of this LTC:
-Go to the gym at least 4 times a week (This one isn't really hard for me because I've been doing this for 1.5 years now)
-Take supplements, such as Vitamin D3 and Vitamin C, Magnesium, 100mg 5-HTP a day (I'm not sure if this helps, so I'll not be taking this for long), 1260mg of Cordyceps, 1260mg of Lion's mane
-Read books and practice learning, analyzing
-Try to be in social situations (this one is the hardest for me because I don't want to make a fool of myself with my "e-tardedness" although right now it isn't so bad)
-Try to find happiness in simple things
 
LifeLesson said:
@rinzzlerr Our LTC's pretty much started at the same time, mine just a week earlier. My headaches are also starting to go away, only what's left is a slight pressure spot behind my left ear, which I notice maybe a few times a day. You mentioned being "fuzzy" in the mornings, well in fact, when I wake up, my headaches are at the worst, so maybe our bodies just need some time to wake up to really get going.

To add to my current status in the LTC, my head sometimes still get's hot but not as much as before. A big chunk of my anxiety was relived when I read some of you had the same problem and I was not alone.

Right now, this is what I do to try to get out of this LTC:
-Go to the gym at least 4 times a week (This one isn't really hard for me because I've been doing this for 1.5 years now)
-Take supplements, such as Vitamin D3 and Vitamin C, Magnesium, 100mg 5-HTP a day (I'm not sure if this helps, so I'll not be taking this for long), 1260mg of Cordyceps, 1260mg of Lion's mane
-Read books and practice learning, analyzing
-Try to be in social situations (this one is the hardest for me because I don't want to make a fool of myself with my "e-tardedness" although right now it isn't so bad)
-Try to find happiness in simple things
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I FIRMLY believe the LTC is anxiety. Multiple people here have told me so. We need to treat it as anxiety and get distracted to help our bodies/minds relax. It's almost as if the anxiety sensors in our bodies got heightened by the abuse of the drug (or for some people who didn't abuse it, they were likely more sensitive to it's negative effects) and our bodies kicked into protective mode as it sensed danger that we couldn't handle. The exercise always helped me, and now it seems to just be mental, anxiety is all in the mind. It's all "perceived danger". I've always had mild anxiety, now it's just intensified. We can and WILL return to our baseline with time and by taking care of ourselves.
 
rinzzlerr said:
I FIRMLY believe the LTC is anxiety. Multiple people here have told me so. We need to treat it as anxiety and get distracted to help our bodies/minds relax. It's almost as if the anxiety sensors in our bodies got heightened by the abuse of the drug (or for some people who didn't abuse it, they were likely more sensitive to it's negative effects) and our bodies kicked into protective mode as it sensed danger that we couldn't handle. The exercise always helped me, and now it seems to just be mental, anxiety is all in the mind. It's all "perceived danger". I've always had mild anxiety, now it's just intensified. We can and WILL return to our baseline with time and by taking care of ourselves.
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Its cause our main problem is a deficit in serotonin. Serotonin makes us feel good, safe, be productive. When we don't have any of that precious chemical, these attributes turn upside down. We feel extra uncomfortable, that's why the anxiety skyrockets.
 
Yeah, as I've been saying since the begining, anxiety is a follow-up symptom from something physical.

However, seems a lot of people getting better, some sooner other later. But everyone is improving!

My memory is a little off again, but I know It will come back again.

Just worried I haven't done some other harm to my body from so much stress over the ltc. Like I have this heart area pain I've developed after 1.5 year mark in the LTC, went to cardiologists, but haven't found anything.
 
What gives me hope is seeing that recovery is very possible. This guy @thefinalpush recovered after a while of MDMA use. I'm hoping that I can recover soon, I don't want to bring others around me down. Seeing my mother and sisters worried about me just makes me angry at myself.

Extreme weed, xtc, mdma, steroid and substance abuse. LTC - WARNING: Long Post.

Hello Bluelight, Firstly i'd just like to say that I've been lurking these forums for about a good 4-5 months now and have now finally mustered up the courage and energy to post. My intentions for this post is to finally explain my situation to like minded people who may have or know someone...
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lionheart90 said:
#1 cure for the LTC and any massive drug induced anxiety issues = 20 minutes of sprints in the morning.

20 seconds of sprint at max speed. 40 sec of walking. 20 seconds of full bore sprint. etc. do 20x of those for a 20 min workout.

Do that in the early morning every day, like within 30-60 minutes of waking up. Just try it out, ignore the fact that its shitty and difficult and do it for 10 days. Keep a journal and see what happens.
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Started doing this today I got in 5 20sec sprints full bore with minute rests in between.. your doing well if you can manage 20 a day! I was absolutely buggered! I can see how this would help in the long run! How much do you think it helped you since you began doing them?
 
LifeLesson said:
@Wentworth211 I don't think it necessarily impacts patterns of thought but just makes thinking "clear". I know, I've used the word "clear" far too many times to describe the effects of Lion's mane but in my opinion it suits best. It's hard to rate how I felt prior to Lion's mane and now because it helps in so many different areas but i'd say my recovery got real fast at the end of the first month of my LTC. That was the time I really started to go to the gym again and of course, started taking Lion's mane. In the end, you have to try Lion's mane yourself to really experience what it does.

Just before crashing into the LTC, I remember my thoughts also running quite wild at least once a day. I remember my head heating up, thoughts getting really fast etc. What I did was turn on a relaxing playlist and go for a nap, which actually worked. So, what I'm thinking is, maybe it's part of the recovery process, as I had this problem 2-3 weeks before crashing? Anyway, You are in control of Your thoughts, no evil spirits or anything can control what You think, remember that.

@rinzzlerr Our LTC's pretty much started at the same time, mine just a week earlier. My headaches are also starting to go away, only what's left is a slight pressure spot behind my left ear, which I notice maybe a few times a day. You mentioned being "fuzzy" in the mornings, well in fact, when I wake up, my headaches are at the worst, so maybe our bodies just need some time to wake up to really get going.

To add to my current status in the LTC, my head sometimes still get's hot but not as much as before. A big chunk of my anxiety was relived when I read some of you had the same problem and I was not alone.

Right now, this is what I do to try to get out of this LTC:
-Go to the gym at least 4 times a week (This one isn't really hard for me because I've been doing this for 1.5 years now)
-Take supplements, such as Vitamin D3 and Vitamin C, Magnesium, 100mg 5-HTP a day (I'm not sure if this helps, so I'll not be taking this for long), 1260mg of Cordyceps, 1260mg of Lion's mane
-Read books and practice learning, analyzing
-Try to be in social situations (this one is the hardest for me because I don't want to make a fool of myself with my "e-tardedness" although right now it isn't so bad)
-Try to find happiness in simple things
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Well once my Lions mane capsules arrives I’ll be able to tell you what I think ?.

I would say you are doing better than I was at the 2 month mark. I was a mess! So your doing something right!

And your right it’s definitely a serotonin deficit which triggers the anxiety or worsens existing problems, maybe not so much a lack of serotonin but more so damage to the axons. I would steer clear of the 5 HTP iv heard it can make brain fog and depression worse, too much serotonin production and a faulty sert system is a bad mix etc They need time to heal. I have heard that aerobic exercise the tearing and repairing can somehow do this, I’ll try link the studies also time of course but if you can speed the process up then all the better! That’s why I have become so interested in Lions mane as I wonder if the Nerve growth factor can help heal the serotonin system that has been damaged. Only one way to find out I guess! Me and you the guinea pigs ?
 
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That’s the exact system that we have done damage too, so the benefits of hard aerobic exercise are miles better than anything else even AD medication.
 
Wentworth211 said:
Started doing this today I got in 5 20sec sprints full bore with minute rests in between.. your doing well if you can manage 20 a day! I was absolutely buggered! I can see how this would help in the long run! How much do you think it helped you since you began doing them?
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It's difficult but after a few days you'll be able to do all 20 if you aren't too overweight. If you have a lot of extra weight then it's harder but not impossible. Also the reason I only take 40 second breaks is because I'm trying to exhaust myself. I'm not trying to get all the way back down to a normal resting heart rate before I sprint again. I want to be fairly exhausted by the time I have to sprint again, so that each time I complete a sprint I"m even more exhausted, and by the time I'm done I basically just want to sit down for 10 minutes lol.

It has helped me go from suicidal to loving life. it's that much of a difference.
 
I do think MDMA damages our brains, but not in the way it's blown up to be. Like we would need HUGE doses to cause damage. Exercise, again, seems to be #1 as @lionheart90 says.

Check this out: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28493333

Also this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25096201

As for the last one, I don't know if the NAC is needed immediately after or before, but I started taking NAC a month after (maybe it was too late) but who knows. I took it for about 2 weeks and it DID help my headache a little bit (possibly placebo).

I hope scientists can further research MDMA's effects on humans very soon. I'm really curious as it seems to affect some people VERY badly but goes away with time, sometimes a very long time. And others, like my friends who ALSO took about 4-5 Tesla's over the weekend, who have NO symptoms and are living their best life not worrying about shit. They were also candy flipping so maybe that played an important part. All I know is I'm staying away from MDMA for a long time until I feel ready again.
 
^^^Were you the only one who didn’t take LSD? Have you/how many times have you tripped in the past?

I whole heartedly second lion hearts recommendation of sprints. HIIT and cardio are key to getting better via exercise but don’t neglect strength training either.

-GC
 
G_Chem said:
^^^Were you the only one who didn’t take LSD? Have you/how many times have you tripped in the past?

I whole heartedly second lion hearts recommendation of sprints. HIIT and cardio are key to getting better via exercise but don’t neglect strength training either.

-GC
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No I wasn't, I had another friend who only rolled, but he only rolled two days out of three on 1.5 pills, so he didn't have any negative effects either.

I've never taken LSD. MDMA is the first "psychedelic" type of drug I've taken. I rolled before at a rave in October 2018, one whole pill. The same Tesla's I took this time around. I rolled again about 5 months later on a 90-110mg capsule of "pure MDMA". Then about 1.5 months later I rolled three days in a row on Tesla's (about 4.5-5 pills total).

The only thing I honestly hate about this LTC is the constant questioning of reality. I think it may be due to the weed I smoked during LTC, but who knows. I'm tired of feeling crazy for questioning whether we live in a simulation or some altered reality. This shit SUCKS.
 
So as some of you know I’ve been watching this whole “LTC” thing and helping people with it since I’d say about 2011 or so.. Back then I called it “MDMA induced DP/DR.” Both names seem to fit it well..

I ask the question because there seems to be a trend I’ve noticed with sufferers.

1.) Typically fairly new to harder drugs, many having only tried some of the more common substances like cannabis and alcohol infrequently. Very little if any psychedelic use, and often little if any cannabis use as well.

2.) Often younger college age, lots of stress. Typically sufferer had some anxiety or stress provoking events take place shortly before LTC.

3.) Grew up dealing with anxiety or depression, even if light.

There are a few others that will come to mind later but the one that always stands out is the lack of psychedelic and cannabis use amongst those who are afflicted.

I believe the neurogenesis as well as other serotonin modulating properties of psychedelics and cannabis both negates and repairs the issues caused by MDMA.

Cannabis is neuroprotective during and neurogenesis for repairing after. Psychedelics definitely cause neurogenesis as well and seem to vanquish any possible comedown quickly.

The problem though is they work much better in tandem with thevMDMA vs trying to use them after the fact.

For those that doubt me, do the math yourself. While not a golden rule, most who suffer did not have much or any psychedelic experience and most were not habitual cannabis users either.

Now if LTC isn’t caused by a change in synthesis route with some unknown toxic impurity. My only other guess is there was a change in the way it is being used.

MDMA was MUCH more frequently used by poly drug users up until the comeback of MDMA post 2010. Since MDMA has been repopularized many more people have considered trying the drug than ever before, and the substance is making its way out of the underground rave scene and to the clubs where young drug naive college adults have a lot more access.

Add on to that the higher availability of much higher milligram pills, and you now have young drug naive individuals dosing far more than their brains or bodies can handle. Something as simple as smoking cannabis during can negate all toxicity, but for many career goal oriented folks cannabis isn’t an option with potential drug testing.

It’s all messy, but there’s definitely a profile that many of you fit.

-GC
 
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