MDMA Recovery (Stories & Support - 7) [ALL LTC posts go here]

[rinzzlerr]

Well I check out for each one of those. Number 1, 2 and 3. I was experiencing before and still am experiencing extreme stress due to work. I always had *mild anxiety growing up, and I did use MJ but not a lot.

I did smoke weed on the last day of the festival though because the pills were no longer affecting me. Hopefully there was some protection there, lol.

Since you've been helping others on here, can you say I and others on here will recover from this LTC? I've also seen that the LTC is very similar if not exactly the same as people who experience DP/DR due to trauma or extreme stress.

 

[G_Chem]

I’ve seen many recover, I’d say everyone who’s been posting lately will recover based on what I’m reading. I’ll be honest though and seen a few who claim they haven’t..

The one thing that seems to be the defining factor.. Whether you believe you’ll recover or not. Sounds hokey but it’s the truth. The rare people that still suffer years and years later are the people that despite being told they’ll recover believe otherwise. They’ve resigned themselves to the idea that they are forever broken.

The people ive seen recover the quickest are the ones which full heartedly believe they’ll recover. One guy in particular had it pretty nasty but believed me when I told him he’d recover and gave him some tips to recover (many of which have been repeated in this thread, but can be said again if need be.) This guy messaged me two months later completely recovered.

Now people have a hard time understanding the complex relationship between our thoughts and the neurochemical processes in our brains. They are entwined, and one effects the other.

While this issue is “physical” in the sense that it’s likely a neurochemical imbalance, this same imbalance is greatly effected by our thoughts and emotions associated with our thoughts. If you proceed with zero hope of recovery, you’ll stay stuck in this state. Positive thoughts, even if forced, will rewire you in a positive direction.

I’ll say again the most important things for recovery..

-Healthy whole food diet. Avoid or eliminate dairy and sugar. Only sweets should be from fruit. Healthy fats are huge, olive oil, avocado oil, walnuts, etc for brain health. Healthy meats preferably grass fed, humanely raised. Tons of veggies. As with the other tips, don’t assume you’ll be perfect at diet right away. Work your way in, and if you fall off the horse don’t let it deter you.

-Exercise. This and diet are THE two most important things. I can’t stress this enough. This isn’t a few times a week thing, or expect to lay off as soon as you start feeling better. This should be expected for years if not a lifetime. DAILY.

Lion hearts suggestion on sprints is a good one. As I said, HIIT and cardio cause neurogenesis and increased blood flow that’s sorely needed. While those are better for brain health, don’t neglect weight training for endocrine support and recovery.

HIIT and cardio daily. Weight training 3-5 days a week.

-Magnesium. In the early days I often wondered if this issue was some weird magnesium deficiency. 80% of the worlds population is supposedly deficient due to modern farming practices.

This is why it’s important to eat organic, you obtain micronutrients like Magnesium which you’ll become deficient on otherwise. There’s whole forums dedicated to mag deficiencies and the horrible effects it can cause. Many of them who suffer have symptoms closely resembling LTC.

Magnesium can take awhile to replenish in the body so don’t expect results right away. But everyone I’ve known who took a proper magnesium supplement recovered after a month.

The key is PROPER supplement, most forms of magnesium are horribly inefficient in bioavailability. Magnesium l-threonate or glycinate, preferably chelated. I use magnesium l-threonate personally. Not cheap but worth it IMO.

-Fish Oil. Omega 3’s are huge for brain health, and of course like everything good on the list cause neurogenesis. Start low, I noticed headaches when I first started and took almost a year for my body to adapt considering I’d eaten fish sticks like 3 times in my life up until that point.


And finally.. Study up on neurogenesis and what things cause it. Neurogenesis may regrow lost neurons or at the very least allow you to overwrite old thought patterns. It’s neurogenesis that I believe gives psychedelics their magic to heal people of past traumas.

-GC

 

[Habs93]

No, I'm afraid there isn't, likely because none of the symptoms people are reporting are really any different from the many symptoms people with anxiety and depression disorders tend to have.

Whilst it is extremely evident that MDMA has caused a lot of people here some huge life altering medical emergencies regarding their mental health, it still seems clear to me that people are experiencing pretty textbook severe depression/anxiety, with all the myriad of symptoms that commonly come with that. Doctors can very rarely find a physical cause for depression and anxiety (especially considering it is so vastly broad and complex), and thus, they can only analyse symptoms, give a diagnosis, and treat with the few means available; i.e medication (SSRI's, benzos, beta blockers), or therapy (CBT & counselling).

I personally think that the term LTC is a misnomer. IMO it's not an extended comedown, it's an anxiety/depression disorder which has been triggered. It just feels like a comedown because MDMA comedowns are characterised by depression and anxiety. I think it's been well known for a long, long time amongst ecstasy users that repeated empathogen abuse can lead to months of cloudy brain fog and mental impairments, and that is essentially what is going on here. It's just that some people seem to get it worse, and a big chunk of anxiety and depression to boot.

I'm in no way demeaning the 'LTC', btw, I just think there are some misconceptions which really muddy the waters.

And I'm not just somebody from the outside looking in, who doesn't understand. Because actually, something happened to me back in 2012, which ticks all the boxes for a severe LTC, and I would be interested to discuss it with you guys.

Peace and love people, & I wish you all the best with your recoveries. You will improve, even if it doesn't seem that way right now.

Just read this entire forum. Should of been here a year ago. Last June I took this purple looking MDMA. And I took about .8 and was up for like a day. When I came down I definitely didn't feel right but three weeks later I went to a rave and I did acid followed by MDMA the next day. Didn't even roll so I decided I'm going to quit everything. I was 24 . Ever since June 2018 I had this horrible brain fog come and these really bad nuerological symptoms with chronic fatigue. Smoking weed makes these symtptoms worse. Nothing has changed in the year and I'm scared im never going to feel atleast half normal again...

 

[rinzzlerr]

I’ve seen many recover, I’d say everyone who’s been posting lately will recover based on what I’m reading. I’ll be honest though and seen a few who claim they haven’t..

The one thing that seems to be the defining factor.. Whether you believe you’ll recover or not. Sounds hokey but it’s the truth. The rare people that still suffer years and years later are the people that despite being told they’ll recover believe otherwise. They’ve resigned themselves to the idea that they are forever broken.

The people ive seen recover the quickest are the ones which full heartedly believe they’ll recover. One guy in particular had it pretty nasty but believed me when I told him he’d recover and gave him some tips to recover (many of which have been repeated in this thread, but can be said again if need be.) This guy messaged me two months later completely recovered.

Hmmm... this seems to be a recurring theme in a lot of areas of life.

 

[anon1644]

I highly highly recommend trying an SSRI or SNRI if you are having physical symptoms that aren't improving on their own. I've been dealing with all the symptoms you can imagine that people list here (you can check my post history) and basically not functioning the past 1.5 years. I'm almost a month into Effexor now and the weird head pressure/headache, DP/DR, ringing in ears, stomach issues, overall pain level and more have all gone from like a 9 or 10 to a 2 or 3, and I don't think the medicine has even fully kicked in yet. Still have some sexual dysfunction but this also seems to be improving. This syndrome is absolutely related to altered neurotransmitter levels or transmission of serotonin and/or other chemicals from MDMA abuse. Anxiety, brain damage, whatever you want to call it, if you're trying exercise, diet, benzos, magnesium, etc., and you are still feeling like shit, definitely try an SSRI/SNRI (I tried all of these and more). I feel so much better it's ridiculous. Wish I would have done it sooner. Well, I guess I did try citalopram when all of this first started, but it made me feel awful, so I was scared to try another. Try to find one you can tolerate and ride it out for at least a few weeks. I still felt terrible for the first few weeks but now I can say I legitimately feel different and better and much more like my old self. Hang in there if you're struggling, I truly didn't think I would get out of the painful fog, but it does happen.

 

[G_Chem]

^^^You “tried” these things. Those things listed aren’t to be tried but to be lived by. You’ll keep reverting right back if you don’t take that seriously.

I’m sorry but I have to disagree and think your just putting a band aid on the situation similar to benzodiazepines. Many of these SSRI SNRI drugs cause just as bad or worse symptoms whether you have LTC or not upon cessation.

I often question the dedication and intensity some people have “tried” the healthy hard approach before resigning to frankly dangerous and addictive pharmaceuticals.

-GC

 

[anon1644]

^^^You “tried” these things. Those things listed aren’t to be tried but to be lived by. You’ll keep reverting right back if you don’t take that seriously.

I’m sorry but I have to disagree and think your just putting a band aid on the situation similar to benzodiazepines. Many of these SSRI SNRI drugs cause just as bad or worse symptoms whether you have LTC or not upon cessation.

I often question the dedication and intensity some people have “tried” the healthy hard approach before resigning to frankly dangerous and addictive pharmaceuticals.

-GC

So someone posts something about finally finding something to ease their suffering and your first thought isn't "wow that's great, I'm glad you found some relief" it's "I question your dedication and intensity"...you know nothing about me or what I've tried or not tried. I just said I tried things for 1.5 years. Exercised (played soccer in a dizzy painful haze) for months on end without feeling any improvement. Many days couldn't get out of bed my head hurt so bad. So yeah I'll think I'll take the dangerous and addictive pharmaceuticals every single time if it's gonna improve my quality of life which was basically rock bottom for almost 2 years.

 

[rinzzlerr]

Symptom check, does anyone notice that street lights or car headlights at night seem to have more of a "haze of light" around them? I'm not sure if I ever had this, but when I look at street light, I see a small field of haze around the light the same color as the light. I'm attaching a picture.

It seems that what I'm describing could be glare and starbursts put together, maybe a little ghosting as well. I thought lights uses to look like the normal picture, can't recall as I've never paid attention to it before. I do wear contacts and I am near sighted if that makes any difference. Another anxiety symptom?

 

[Needhelp123]

I’ve seen many recover, I’d say everyone who’s been posting lately will recover based on what I’m reading. I’ll be honest though and seen a few who claim they haven’t..

The one thing that seems to be the defining factor.. Whether you believe you’ll recover or not. Sounds hokey but it’s the truth. The rare people that still suffer years and years later are the people that despite being told they’ll recover believe otherwise. They’ve resigned themselves to the idea that they are forever broken.

The people ive seen recover the quickest are the ones which full heartedly believe they’ll recover. One guy in particular had it pretty nasty but believed me when I told him he’d recover and gave him some tips to recover (many of which have been repeated in this thread, but can be said again if need be.) This guy messaged me two months later completely recovered.

Now people have a hard time understanding the complex relationship between our thoughts and the neurochemical processes in our brains. They are entwined, and one effects the other.

While this issue is “physical” in the sense that it’s likely a neurochemical imbalance, this same imbalance is greatly effected by our thoughts and emotions associated with our thoughts. If you proceed with zero hope of recovery, you’ll stay stuck in this state. Positive thoughts, even if forced, will rewire you in a positive direction.

I’ll say again the most important things for recovery..

-Healthy whole food diet. Avoid or eliminate dairy and sugar. Only sweets should be from fruit. Healthy fats are huge, olive oil, avocado oil, walnuts, etc for brain health. Healthy meats preferably grass fed, humanely raised. Tons of veggies. As with the other tips, don’t assume you’ll be perfect at diet right away. Work your way in, and if you fall off the horse don’t let it deter you.

-Exercise. This and diet are THE two most important things. I can’t stress this enough. This isn’t a few times a week thing, or expect to lay off as soon as you start feeling better. This should be expected for years if not a lifetime. DAILY.

Lion hearts suggestion on sprints is a good one. As I said, HIIT and cardio cause neurogenesis and increased blood flow that’s sorely needed. While those are better for brain health, don’t neglect weight training for endocrine support and recovery.

HIIT and cardio daily. Weight training 3-5 days a week.

-Magnesium. In the early days I often wondered if this issue was some weird magnesium deficiency. 80% of the worlds population is supposedly deficient due to modern farming practices.

This is why it’s important to eat organic, you obtain micronutrients like Magnesium which you’ll become deficient on otherwise. There’s whole forums dedicated to mag deficiencies and the horrible effects it can cause. Many of them who suffer have symptoms closely resembling LTC.

Magnesium can take awhile to replenish in the body so don’t expect results right away. But everyone I’ve known who took a proper magnesium supplement recovered after a month.

The key is PROPER supplement, most forms of magnesium are horribly inefficient in bioavailability. Magnesium l-threonate or glycinate, preferably chelated. I use magnesium l-threonate personally. Not cheap but worth it IMO.

-Fish Oil. Omega 3’s are huge for brain health, and of course like everything good on the list cause neurogenesis. Start low, I noticed headaches when I first started and took almost a year for my body to adapt considering I’d eaten fish sticks like 3 times in my life up until that point.


And finally.. Study up on neurogenesis and what things cause it. Neurogenesis may regrow lost neurons or at the very least allow you to overwrite old thought patterns. It’s neurogenesis that I believe gives psychedelics their magic to heal people of past traumas.

-GC

Thc can help with neurogenisis? I think a lot of us avoid smoking weed because we don’t want to further mess things up

 

[Needhelp123]

Symptom check, does anyone notice that street lights or car headlights at night seem to have more of a "haze of light" around them? I'm not sure if I ever had this, but when I look at street light, I see a small field of haze around the light the same color as the light. I'm attaching a picture.

It seems that what I'm describing could be glare and starbursts put together, maybe a little ghosting as well. I thought lights uses to look like the normal picture, can't recall as I've never paid attention to it before. I do wear contacts and I am near sighted if that makes any difference. Another anxiety symptom?

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I think this normal. Next time you see this ask the person you’re with if they see it also. My guess is they will say yes

 

[sassyfrass]

id like to welcome myself to this thread.
MDMA has had little impact on my overall cognitive function (as far as im aware.)

but ever since my birthday where i consumed an unspecified amount of purple molly and chainsmoked dabs my heart hasn't felt the same.
chest tightness and such, i definitely over did it.
Whenever i smoke weed now it exacerbates the feeling and makes my BPM spike until im not stoned.

its been a little over a month and the feeling is still there, ive done more since but am stopping now.
Just wanted to share my experience.

Edit: id like to add that ive seen a doctor and so far they see nothing wrong.

 

[rinzzlerr]

More links so everyone can see that perhaps we are just furthering our negative symptoms by worrying and obsessing over them. I know I need to stop lol.

Automatic Negative Thoughts: How To Stop Them & 7 Types Of ANTs | mindbodygreen

Here's how negativity can change your brain function. Plus, how to spot the 7 types of negative thoughts, like guilt and blame, and what to do about them.

www.mindbodygreen.com

 

[AutoTripper]

Symptom check, does anyone notice that street lights or car headlights at night seem to have more of a "haze of light" around them? I'm not sure if I ever had this, but when I look at street light, I see a small field of haze around the light the same color as the light. I'm attaching a picture.

Good reminder. I definitely experienced some visual alterations like this and Street lamps are excellent from a distance to observe some of the way that MDMA would visually impaire me in a lasting and permanent sense.

I'm not sure how to try and describe this, but it's kind of like when you focus on the light in the distance and then you let it go out of focus and you can watch the Little pixel things which make up your visual field turn into dots and spread out and swirl around and stuff.

By letting the light going out of focus I mean I used to always make these observations as a habit and unquestionably MDMA cause an alteration or impairment here and when I was feeling particularly damaged I would notice this much more so there's no way that these little dots or pixels would become visible and swallow around in my visual field randomly but especially in response to sunlight or electrical light.

The halo thing, that used to spin me out. When cannabis sessioning growing up, I noticed how some nights you would have the most unreal and huge Halo around the candlelight and then on other nights it would be completely missing and this effect was constant for everybody present.

 

[G_Chem]

So someone posts something about finally finding something to ease their suffering and your first thought isn't "wow that's great, I'm glad you found some relief" it's "I question your dedication and intensity"...you know nothing about me or what I've tried or not tried. I just said I tried things for 1.5 years. Exercised (played soccer in a dizzy painful haze) for months on end without feeling any improvement. Many days couldn't get out of bed my head hurt so bad. So yeah I'll think I'll take the dangerous and addictive pharmaceuticals every single time if it's gonna improve my quality of life which was basically rock bottom for almost 2 years.

First off your right.. I don’t know you, I’m making quick judgments based on what you’ve said. They may or may not be correct. I’m sorry if they aren’t.

Your far from the first person who’s suffering was eased, and more often than not people actually have the opposite reaction you do to SSRI SNRI’s. So I apologize if I can’t agree with your suggestion.

The facts are these.. SSRI/SNRI’s only help a select group of people, for others it makes their symptoms worse and sometimes it’s a huge set back. Even if they do work it’s still a band aid, and you’ll face withdrawal symptoms upon cessation. You could be potentially making this all way worse in the long run.

I equate this to heroin withdrawal. You fight through it with the determination you’ll make it to the other side. Or you crack, get on methadone, stay dependent for another 20yrs then get to deal with way worse withdrawals once you finally stop.

And to finish.. Your soccer example shows that your understanding of what exercise needs to be done is skewed. You didn’t play soccer daily for 1.5 years.. Even more, I doubt you played daily to the level of competitiveness needed for true improvement.

You need to exercise DAILY! Some soccer a few times a week ain’t gonna cut it. Follow Lion Hearts sprint plan and come back to tell us it doesn’t work. Thing is you won’t.. Cuz just like I said, you’ve resigned yourself already.

As someone who deals with headaches so fucking bad I’d probably put a bullet in my head already if it wasn’t for the beauty of life.. (Cluster level headaches, undiagnosed) I’m not giving you any slack on the “well I can’t cuz of a headache.”

If you have persistent day in and out headaches, like I get on occasion, then work out lightly at home. Read your body and head and don’t push too hard. Take lots of breaks, and go back at it once things cool down a bit.

Soccer would be one of the worst activities for someone with a constant headache because your somewhat forced to keep pushing when involved in group exercise/sports. The expectations of the rest of the team don’t allow you the time and space you need to go slow with it.

To anyone reading, many have recovered with no help from SSRI’s, some have gotten worse from them. In the end you want a cure not a bandage..

-GC

 

[AutoTripper]

Thc can help with neurogenisis? I think a lot of us avoid smoking weed because we don’t want to further mess things up

Cannabis is actually directly and strongly protective and preventative if used at the time of MDMA use. This was established via studies.

Cannabis significantly lessens the Neurotoxic blow of MDMA. @G_Chem makes a lot of valid and accurate points. I have always, always combined cannabis with MDMA. I quite sure that this considerably lessened the extent of my own MDMA induced damage from the heaviest level of consumption over a prolonged period of time.

I believe @G_Chem is correct about how these drugs, cannabis and psychedellics, when used with MDMA and in general, go a long way towards reducing the neurotoxic effects and restoring the brain and neurotransmitters much faster, at least in a consciousness and emotional sense.

I have been quite adamant in my mind and that in my own case I received significant protection and damage limitation as a result of my ongoing label use of psychedelics with and without MDMA throughout much of the time I used to drug as well as always using cannabis at the time of rolling and in general.

In particular the psychedellics helped me continuously reset my consciousness and emotional inner self. I also strongly feel that psyche use kept me from ever losing the magic, or at least full appreciation for MDMA.

 

[G_Chem]

^^^Thank you AutoTripper.

As you said, I believe those drugs can do a lot more as protective measures but may have some potential in repairing as well.

The problem lies with the fact that cannabis and psychedelics can also greatly exacerbate the LTC if the experience turns sour. I believe certain psychedelics may have the best chance at helping sufferers (Mescaline and pure white DMT), but again it’s risky. Cannabis causes too much anxiety to be safe until the individual feels they are well along in their recovery.

My thought is that these drugs may be beneficial for the last stages of recovery. That lingering 5-10% that some people just can’t shake.. The psychedelics could help rewire and finish off that last bit of LTC. Just a theory..

-GC

 

[AutoTripper]

id like to welcome myself to this thread.
MDMA has had little impact on my overall cognitive function (as far as im aware.)

but ever since my birthday where i consumed an unspecified amount of purple molly and chainsmoked dabs my heart hasn't felt the same.
chest tightness and such, i definitely over did it.
Whenever i smoke weed now it exacerbates the feeling and makes my BPM spike until im not stoned.

its been a little over a month and the feeling is still there, ive done more since but am stopping now.
Just wanted to share my experience.

Edit: id like to add that ive seen a doctor and so far they see nothing wrong.

Just a thought- cannabis does raise heart rate. I just wonder if it is possible that you have become more consciously tuned in to this effect and maybe there is a psychosomatic element involved now as well which is physical in nature but mental in origin whereby why your heart is elevated to a Greater extent now in response to consuming cannabis?

And then potentially fuel even further by anxiety. I have noticed in the past that when my tolerance the cannabis was much lower quite a small amount of material would elevate my heart above a comfortable level that times and I would literally feel my heart thumping on the left side of my head in some big artery type thing lol!

My tolerance is much higher now and I do not experience these effects but one thing I can tell you is that vaporizing cannabis as opposed to smoking it is incredibly beneficial and supportive to Heart health.

Vaporized cannabinoids is one of the main primary treatments in the leading heart specialist hospital in Israel.

I have vaporized cannabis heavily for years and despite being incredibly unwell in a general sense my heart has remained exceptionally healthy my resting pulse is anywhere from low 40s to low 50s usually.

I have had several quite serious heart infections over the recent years and on particular occasions when I had to stop to vaporizer cannabis my heart was suffering badly and I was scared for my life but the moment I Began to vaporise cannabis again my heart function was instantly normalised and stabilized and I felt well again and my symptoms did not flare up again one bit until the infection was finally cleared without any lasting harm.

So you could possibly look into switching from smoking to vaping rising because this would make a lot of sense for multiple health reasons especially supporting your heart health because I promise you I'm telling you the truth here.

Probably having a good break from MDMA maybe and also following ha healthy a diet as possible trying to boost your nutrient levels such as magnesium especially and and make sure you are getting enough potassium and and healthy unrefined salt not the refined poisonous white table salt ship which most people naively use to great harm.

Good luck anyway finding some relief or explanation but try not to worry, never helps.

Think about it of course, but no poiny in worry I say - hehe, don't "Worry", I'm a right old hypocrite me! ?

 

[Wentworth211]

id like to welcome myself to this thread.
MDMA has had little impact on my overall cognitive function (as far as im aware.)

but ever since my birthday where i consumed an unspecified amount of purple molly and chainsmoked dabs my heart hasn't felt the same.
chest tightness and such, i definitely over did it.
Whenever i smoke weed now it exacerbates the feeling and makes my BPM spike until im not stoned.

its been a little over a month and the feeling is still there, ive done more since but am stopping now.
Just wanted to share my experience.

Edit: id like to add that ive seen a doctor and so far they see nothing wrong.

I went through the exact same thing a couple of years ago after doing a fair bit of blow one night.. went to the drs had my heart checked out but everything was fine and I was still convinced I had damaged my heart! Anyway I went 6 months later with no real noticeable improvement in the sensation you describe, constantly worrying and then one day I decided to try gaviscon for indigestion and heartburn, cured! Like wtf.. 2 years later and I haven’t worried about it once since! Never touched cocaine again though haha

One other thing i realised after one of my mates had actual complications with his heart/non drug related was that when you do as opposed to heart/burn is that you would become light headed see stars and stuff like that. It would be really difficult to exercise without fainting etc. So yeah give the gaviscon a go. I bet you have had something similar happen to you, the chemicals in drugs are no good for you stomach lining haha

 

[anon1644]

Shouldn't even bother responding, but i'll bite. My post was meant for anyone who is feeling awful even after exhausting most options, including regular exercise, etc. To encourage anyone who may be contemplating an SSRI/SNRI if their doctor has suggested it, but is afraid to do so. Absolutely nothing wrong with trying. Of course I had no desire to be on meds - I wouldn't have held out nearly 2 years otherwise.

First off your right.. I don’t know you, I’m making quick judgments based on what you’ve said. They may or may not be correct. I’m sorry if they aren’t.

You didn’t play soccer daily for 1.5 years.. Even more, I doubt you played daily to the level of competitiveness needed for true improvement.

Lol, okay bro.

As someone who deals with headaches so fucking bad I’d probably put a bullet in my head already if it wasn’t for the beauty of life.. (Cluster level headaches, undiagnosed) I’m not giving you any slack on the “well I can’t cuz of a headache.”

Hmmm so your pain tolerance gives you knowledge of everyone else's pain tolerance? Interesting...

Your far from the first person who’s suffering was eased, and more often than not people actually have the opposite reaction you do to SSRI SNRI’s. SSRI/SNRI’s only help a select group of people, for others it makes their symptoms worse and sometimes it’s a huge set back.

Wow! It's almost as if drugs have different effects on different people! Almost like weed, or MDMA, or any other foreign substance! That's the risk you take when trying a drug or medication. A large number of people who had these issues probably didn't even make it to an online forum, and were helped once their MD told them it might be anxiety and they tried a med. I've had people DM me and say SSRIs didn't help them. I've also had many people DM me who said an SSRI absolutely helped them and that it's worth trying.

The facts are these.. Even if they do work it’s still a band aid, and you’ll face withdrawal symptoms upon cessation. You could be potentially making this all way worse in the long run.

So a suicidally depressed person shouldn't take an antidepressant because it's a bandaid? There's a reason why meds exist dude. Everyone is different. Sometimes diet and exercise and healthy habits do fuck all for some peoples' mental health issues.

You fight through it with the determination you’ll make it to the other side. Or you crack, get on methadone, stay dependent for another 20yrs then get to deal with way worse withdrawals once you finally stop.

There's no guarantee SSRI withdrawal will be "way worse" than LTC symptoms. I was on an SSRI more than a decade ago for about a year, and when I came off I got a fever and other withdrawal symptoms for a week or so, and then I was fine. The hell I went through the past 2 years from the morning I woke up after doing MDMA was way worse than feeling shitty for a bit after coming off the SSRI. The SSRI withdrawals were temporary, but the symptoms after MDMA remained unchanged for nearly two years.

And yes, for some people the SSRI withdrawals last longer. Some people need to go back on their meds to stop the withdrawals. Again, everyone is different. It's a risk/benefit analysis. That's the reality with any drug.

 

[sassyfrass]

Thanks for the replys Autotripper and Wentworth.

i have cut down my cannabis use since and maybe the lack of tolerance plays a part in my Tachycardia when smoking, i get the pulsing in my head aswell.
and Vaporising is a good idea, i actually recently bought a handheld herb vape because i diddn't want to inhale anymore smoke.

Still put off from getting high all together at the moment but we'll see how that goes.

Ive thought about it being my stomach but exercise does make it worse aswell, i tried some tums today to no avail but ill give gavisgon a shot.
Thank you and stay strong rollers.