Long Term ComedownWhat is ltc
@G_Chem I wonder if skipping the PMK glycidate to pmk step could potentially effect the way the drug works, get metabolized, etc. From what I read in that thread you mentioned, there unfortunately seems to be a lot of difference in opinion on the effects of skipping the step. I think it's also worth noting that though platinum toxicity isn't as mentioned as that of mercury, it's still very possible and would also be treated with a heavy metal detox. I would love to know what impurities in particular we are looking at that are possibly producing the brainless, speedy like effects(I think that's what you mean by mongy)! It's truly vital for our discussions sake
Isn't there a way to tell if we're damaged? Scans, tests? Isn't there an answer what's damaged?
What the hell is the situation we're in guys? Really pissed.
No, I'm afraid there isn't, likely because none of the symptoms people are reporting are really any different from the many symptoms people with anxiety and depression disorders tend to have.
Whilst it is extremely evident that MDMA has caused a lot of people here some huge life altering medical emergencies regarding their mental health, it still seems clear to me that people are experiencing pretty textbook severe depression/anxiety, with all the myriad of symptoms that commonly come with that. Doctors can very rarely find a physical cause for depression and anxiety (especially considering it is so vastly broad and complex), and thus, they can only analyse symptoms, give a diagnosis, and treat with the few means available; i.e medication (SSRI's, benzos, beta blockers), or therapy (CBT & counselling).
I personally think that the term LTC is a misnomer. IMO it's not an extended comedown, it's an anxiety/depression disorder which has been triggered. It just feels like a comedown because MDMA comedowns are characterised by depression and anxiety. I think it's been well known for a long, long time amongst ecstasy users that repeated empathogen abuse can lead to months of cloudy brain fog and mental impairments, and that is essentially what is going on here. It's just that some people seem to get it worse, and a big chunk of anxiety and depression to boot.
I'm in no way demeaning the 'LTC', btw, I just think there are some misconceptions which really muddy the waters.
And I'm not just somebody from the outside looking in, who doesn't understand. Because actually, something happened to me back in 2012, which ticks all the boxes for a severe LTC, and I would be interested to discuss it with you guys.
Peace and love people, & I wish you all the best with your recoveries. You will improve, even if it doesn't seem that way right now.
Now that you mention mongy, that did describe what my LTC causing roll was like. Particularly the chewing your own mouth out thats unlike the typical happy jaw clenching I'd normally get. I used around 40 pills over the course of three months with great rolls(thanks to 5-htp), some of those nights ingesting 2-4 250mg pills and almost never having an all that bad comedown. I was definitely getting the real deal from the seller.. now, the batch that caused this I hadn't used before my ltc. I took seven 250mg pills throughout five hours(started out with 3 or 4 in the beginning) and experienced the very unpleasant speedy experience like what I've read the ltc causing roll to be like for some people, I always just thought this had to do with the dosage as I had never started off with more than two. Although it's worth mentioning that I finished the last pill in the batch I had the following night mixed with an addy and that was actually pretty chill and euphoric for day after a roll, and neither day do I recall experiencing visuals(other than some temporary blurred vision during the roll)which I would assume would be highly memorable in a high mda dose. I mention this because it makes it seem unlikely mda would be the culprit here.