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MDMA.. Not as safe as we think?

Ismene said:
Can you tell us how you're quantifying the performance of your memory? Did you take a memory test before you started E, then take the same memory test after you had taken E?

Or is this just a vague feeling you have?

Have you considered the exams that you're doing now might be harder than the exams you were doing 2 years ago and that's why your "memory" seems worse?

Will this memory problem go away if i just stay away from all drugs?

No. The older you get the worse your memory gets - it's a fundamental feature of human physiology. However you can exercise your memory and improve it at any age.
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Hey no i didnt take a memory test before i did E lol.. And yes the tests could be getting harder but thats not how/why i realised.. I'll give you two examples of my symptons..

Example 1: I log on to the computer.. and think ok i need to sign into MSN and i want to open up internet explorer and open up the latest news in Australia.. So then i open up MSN sign in.. then i open up internet explorer.. but i forget why i opened it up and what pages i wanted to browse...

Example 2: I have my notes typed up printed etc for my particular subject.. Then i start to try learn/remember a particular paragraph.. so i read it in my head a couple times then i write it on my notepad then i try writing it again on my notepad without looking.. Then i go on to read another paragraph and half way i might decide that i want to re-write what i learnt in the first paragraph and i wont be able to remember anything.. just a blank... like i never even read/studied it.. Then i get this really uncomfortable feeling in my head like its really tired/stressed out.. and to be honest its not a good feeling.

Hope this helps. if not just tell me to be more specific with whatever you want to know
 
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I think the concept of neurotoxicity is overplayed when it comes to these drugs, espeically MDMA.
Ever tried remembering stuff and doing mathematical equations while on MDMA?
It doesn't work.
I think at least some of the damage stems from the fact that for all the hours you spend rolling, your thinking processes are altered, and over time your mind takes on board these alterations permanently;ie. the mind forms new habits. Scientists know that the mind is constantly doing this, its the minds way of adapting to changing environments.
Same applies to weed or any mind altering drug.

Just as an analogy, imagine being forced to sit and stare at a blank wall and think of NOTHING (no daydreaming, not wondering thoughts) for a day at at a time, once a month.
This would eventually take its toll on your cognitive ability.
Just my .02.
 
purplefirefly said:
I don't think there are too many people (if any) on this board who make the claim that mdma is completely harmless.
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Quoted for truth.

Pork isn't good for me but I still love my Italian Heroes!

I'm sure if you ask a group of people who don't use any drugs, many will say their memory isn't as good as it used to be. No one ever labled E as healthfood.
 
keyholder said:
Example 2: I have my notes typed up printed etc for my particular subject.. Then i start to try learn/remember a particular paragraph.. so i read it in my head a couple times then i write it on my notepad then i try writing it again on my notepad without looking.. Then i go on to read another paragraph and half way i might decide that i want to re-write what i learnt in the first paragraph and i wont be able to remember anything.. just a blank... like i never even read/studied it.. Then i get this really uncomfortable feeling in my head like its really tired/stressed out.. and to be honest its not a good feeling.
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I used to get this every day during my A levels tho and I bet 99 out of 100 people who've never taken E in their lives have experienced this. Perhaps you were just more motivated during your first batch of exams and now it's hard to get the same motivation coupled with the fact that the exams will be harder - which can itself be a massive de-motivating factor. If you don't believe you've got much of a chance of passing an exam you always notice your brain "not being able to learn as well".
 
Did anyone actually thing E was safe at all??

once a month for a year isn't really a LOT.. lots of people do it quite a bit more. I have known 3 or 4 people that have used it maybe 30-50 times over the course of a couple years and they all say they are somewhat burnt out from it.

I tried it 5 or 6 times, and it only worked twice. That is enough for me - now way that shit isn't blowing up my seratonin receptors. the come down is so harsh.
 
b4 u blame mdma, think about wat you have taken over the past years. u said u are from sydney, then u must certainly know that pills in australia are usually cut with other crap such as speed or meth and even caffeine.
oh and how are you certain u had mdma pills even ? alot of the crap here are mdxx. mda/mdea/mdma or watever.

anyways my point is, unless you can obtain 80% or more pure mdma, any of the above factors could be leading to your memory loss.

ps : because i have never had access to almost pure mdma, i am unwillingly to blame memory loss on mdma alone.
 
stereobot said:
Did anyone actually thing E was safe at all??

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It depends what you mean by "safe". More people die every year from eating satsumas than from taking E. Obviously thousands more die from crossing the road.

Nothing in life is "safe". That's just how life is. By all means stop taking E if you feel bad but please don't think you are going to have a perfect memory and live until you are 130 simply because you don't take E. There are countless millions of people who have terrible memories who have never taken E in their lives.
 
I think a major factor in the health dangers people notice from something is the publicity surrounding it's negative effects. There's massive publicity that E is "bad for you" and so lots of people pick up on negative effects. There is next to no publicity that breathing city air shortens lifespan and causes terrible damage to health and so no-one notices it.
 
purplefirefly said:
Pills are not bad news necessarily as long as they contain only mdma. I personally think that the mdma high is completely worth the hangover it has the potential to produce. If I have an exceptionally bad crash I was probably in a bad mindset to begin with and shouldn't have even indulged in the first place. People should know the risks and use accordingly.

Pills (and powder for that matter) should always be tested if you do not personally know and trust the chemist that synthesized them.
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these completely affect ppl very differently
i have used these quite a lot in the last 6 to 7 months (probably around 150 to 200) and iev done a shitload of weed and speed a couple of times recently

before i ever tried a drug at all
i had always had a bad memory
and im quite sure nothing has changed at all
i dont even usually come down off pills
and if i do
its mind over matter
i dont let it affect me
the other night took 2 pills at once and was one of the most insane intenceout of place night ive ever had and i went to work the next day feeling like shit yes but got everything done on time and was working by myself which usually there are 3 ppl doing the job

the reason for the quote is
if u dont feel right then dont take it
i totally agree with this statement
in a not technical term of saying
pills just make ur mood more intense and the comedown even more
and probably feel so damn exhausted becuase ur thrashing around so much energy in one night and u dont even realise it that not enough sleep will make the next day a fair shit piece.

MDMA is definately worth the hangover
just as long as u take the time to really take the steps nessacery to enjoy this drug safely
and if u start losing ur memory and somehow connect it to the usage
then it just isnt for u or ur letting it drag u down

also to add, pretty sure most might know this already but,
long term usage of mdma (pills) slowly ruins ur seratonin receptors and eventually stops the creation of seratonin in the brain causing mass depression in laters years as u cant create the seratonin needed to create a normal level of mindstate,
btw im no scientist or anything so if any of this doesnt make sense or whatever please feel free to correct it so it is perfect as it could be alot of help to those who dont know.

also id like to ask,
assuming seratonin can be created slightly quicker when excercising for example, as ive heard, would any sort of meditation and or mind excercising be able to create seratonin that u dont have?
which is why i said mind over matter
i believe just by thinking it i pass all the bullshit it brings by just telling myself its not really affecting me and i go about daily life like ive never touched a drug in my life

cheers for reading
 
im wondering on the dangerous ness of E on a daily or every other day basis. i have not been able to find 5thp at my drug store (canada) and im using it along with daily alcohol and marijuana as a part of my anti depression plan that is moving along quite smoothly. i lost the magic a long time ago, and i cant speak without stuttering and i have difficulty thinking what is what and colours hurt my head a lot.


as well i feel a lot of pressure in different parts of my head, is this normal?

yeah i know im up shits creek but it isant as bad as meth...
 
devouredflesh said:
also to add, pretty sure most might know this already but,
long term usage of mdma (pills) slowly ruins ur seratonin receptors and eventually stops the creation of seratonin in the brain causing mass depression in laters years as u cant create the seratonin needed to create a normal level of mindstate,
btw im no scientist or anything so if any of this doesnt make sense or whatever please feel free to correct it so it is perfect as it could be alot of help to those who dont know.

also id like to ask,
assuming seratonin can be created slightly quicker when excercising for example, as ive heard, would any sort of meditation and or mind excercising be able to create seratonin that u dont have?
which is why i said mind over matter
i believe just by thinking it i pass all the bullshit it brings by just telling myself its not really affecting me and i go about daily life like ive never touched a drug in my life

cheers for reading
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There is not enough research that has been done to know what the long term effects of mdma. There are some scientists who believe that mdma is neurotoxic, but the extent is still unknown. If you have found a study that disagrees with what I have just written please post it because I would love to see it.

I personally find that 5-htp helps immensely when dealing with the hangover and I take it daily after I use mdma.
 
EnergizerBunny, Yes i do know that in Sydney most pills are crap and el-cheapo and yes i do know it could of been any of those things in the pills and iam fairly sure i mentioned this somewhere in my originals posts. It seems like iam talking about your bitch and your getting offended when i say that i think ecstasy has done this.. once again you mis understand the reason why i made the thread which i posted to reply to your other posts on page one.

I don't think exercising helps make seratonin to who ever was asking.. exercising releases a hormone called "endorphines" and that is the bodies like natural high.. thats why most people who get depression get told to do exercise daily.
 
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I unapproved your second post. Please don't abuse people. If you disagree, disagree with what they say, but let's keep the abuse out of it :)
 
Another vote for age. I found in highschool just sitting in class, I was able to absorb and retain the information needed to pass the exams, and do damn well. Well enough to get into university of my choice actually, without really applying myself. As time went buy, without even taking E or any other drugs other than say a cup of coffee, not exersising my head well (procrastinating and being lazy), I found out that all of a sudden, even after reading some paragraphs 2 or 3 times, I still could not remember most of what I have read.

Now granted the material was more complex, but I definatelly felt that the ammound time required to absorb info was quite a lot more than priveously needed.

So it could be a compounded effect, with age your brain/memory becomes less willing to easily absorb info you feed it, and on top of that E may be taxing/tiring. Same as after a hectic/busy day, it is almost impossible to study or concentrate, as you quite simply are tired.

I trully believe that brain/memory in a lot of ways is like a mussle (not physically of course). It can be exersised to develop, and be better at cognitive tasks. It is just that with age it becomes more and more difficult to do so, but still not impossible. Read more, study harder, dont do drugs... you know where I am going with this.
 
usdathashield said:
im using [MDMA] daily with alcohol and marijuana as a part of my anti depression plan that is moving along quite smoothly.
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lol

I'm on the same program and its workin like a fuckin' charm :P
 
Not sure I'd personally want MDMA daily, I imagine it'd be great for a while, but eventually as I understand it the brain will get tolerant of it and stop giving the mood boosts (effectively leaving you with only the negative feelings), at least that's my understanding from what other people have said.
 
I suppose it came about as a factor of safety, I suppose frequency can have some effect on how safe taking MDMA is and how strongly negative effects may or may not be amplified by that, although I do agree it's quite probably drifted a little beyond that now.
 
usdathashield said:
im wondering on the dangerous ness of E on a daily or every other day basis. .
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Assuming you're serious, I think you realise that you should stop using MDMA that frequently. It will fuck you up, no question. Hell, even using it weekly will eventually catch up with you.

If you're depressed, take anti-depressants - it's what they're for.
 
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