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MDMA.. Not as safe as we think?

I used to take a pill, have a blast, and then comedown thinking "what goes up must come down"
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You probably had speedy pills...

Speed causes you to feel naturally irritable but also euphoric, if you put an MDMA comedown in the equation(temporary low serotonin levles) will cause you to feel like shit.

I always comedown NICE if my pill only has MDMA or MDE ect. I sleep good, wake up feeling absolutely great. And can eat right after the initial experience.

My first time I took a dirty pill(meth or amp in it), which I know since after 6 hours I'm still wired and couldn't eat all day.. And it made the comedown of MDMA crappy because the speed makes you wired when you rather chill, smoke weed, or sleep. Causes a sensation of depression the next 2 days for me, no energy, my cognitive abilities and thoughts were so slow and hollow. Took 2 days to recover, but then I felt completely normal again.

Anyway back to topic:

Whether the X pill is dirty or not has everything to do with the feeling, the comedown, the experience's "meaning" is altered and because more of a "wanty" feeling if it's speedy, potential neurotoxic effects. So if you abuse X alot, you have potential to abuse speed and other shit (alot) unless you get it tested and decide if you want to take it or not.

@keyholder

So you abuse a relatively safe chemical like MDMA(which neurotoxicity is questionable, so IMO use should be once or twice, then stop it. Take the message and leave, don't revisit it like it's LSD or shrooms).

Besides your brain could have temporary/long term depletion of some neurotransmitters because of meth/speed use.

Don't blame MDMA.
 
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My memory was so lousy,I wouldn't recognize people that I had met several times earlier when I saw them. Fuck if I could EVER remember a name,either. It was gone from my mind the second you told me. I haven't done anything in over six months and I notice a vast improvement. If my memory can improve from abstaining(I was eating 4 or more a day a few years ago)there's hope for even the most avid abuser.
 
i recently decided to stop taking pills about 2 months ago because i have got to a stage in my life (final year of university) where i really need to think about my career and dont want to waste days 'coming down' and in this short amount of time i have found i can now think clearer and my health has drastically improved (mainly due to exercise)

however i dont think my memory will ever get back to how it was before i first starting using pills but i believe it was well worth it. I now see everyday things in a different perspective and believe my mdma use has had a positive effect
 
The problem is people don't realize MDMA will keep having diminished effects if you abuse it like that. Less profound experience, more side effects noticeable, depression.

I know some idiots who did it for 3 days straight and were snorting crushed tabs on day 3 and were only getting the rush of whatever amount of meth was in it(i know i took the batch, was very speedy). But they thought it was the 'roll'(MDMA) getting them rehigh, and kept snorting away and finally crashed lol.

Seriously people need to READ UP, read hard and ask yourself do you want to take this stuff frequently after you get some facts and data. You will ask yourself do you want to be one of the people who have taken something sold as extascy 50 times?
 
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killo said:
You probably had speedy pills...

Speed causes you to feel naturally irritable but also euphoric, if you put an MDMA comedown in the equation(temporary low serotonin levles) will cause you to feel like shit.

I always comedown NICE if my pill only has MDMA or MDE ect. I sleep good, wake up feeling absolutely great. And can eat right after the initial experience.

My first time I took a dirty pill(meth or amp in it), which I know since after 6 hours I'm still wired and couldn't eat all day.. And it made the comedown of MDMA crappy because the speed makes you wired when you rather chill, smoke weed, or sleep. Causes a sensation of depression the next 2 days for me, no energy, my cognitive abilities and thoughts were so slow and hollow. Took 2 days to recover, but then I felt completely normal again.

Anyway back to topic:

Whether the X pill is dirty or not has everything to do with the feeling, the comedown, the experience's "meaning" is altered and because more of a "wanty" feeling if it's speedy, potential neurotoxic effects. So if you abuse X alot, you have potential to abuse speed and other shit (alot) unless you get it tested and decide if you want to take it or not.

@keyholder

So you abuse a relatively safe chemical like MDMA(which neurotoxicity is questionable, so IMO use should be once or twice, then stop it. Take the message and leave, don't revisit it like it's LSD or shrooms).

Besides your brain could have temporary/long term depletion of some neurotransmitters because of meth/speed use.

Don't blame MDMA.
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Why wouldnt i blame MDMA..?
 
keyholder when i saw ure thread title, I immedeately thought.."here we go people are gona flame this thread trying to defend the almighty E" and to my suprise when I read the posts here the responses were so predictable.

Being in the rave scene for 10 years I met so many people who would rather belive in tooth fairies rather than the neurotoxic effects of E" These forums are no different, ive come across so many people here who defend drugs and blame the user.

I find that any mention of negative and harmful expereinces are met with almost a denial type response that to me seems to say "your bringing down my high, I enjoy this too much to accept that it can do that to you, NO! it must be u not the lovely innocent drugs" < people who cant handle the truth.

"Don't blame mdma"< need i say more?? anyone with a sense of reality, open mind and common sense can see what a dim witted comment that is!
I find people here so transparent!

just my input...*braces self for flaming*...
 
its not the whole E is holy bullshit that started the debates.

everyone knows you'll get side effects some way or the other in whatever drugs u consume. be it illicit or legal drugs.

its just the way the topic opened with mdma being the main source of concern for the area and not the rest of the other crap that he has taken - speed etc.

and just to reaffirm my position in this debate : how can we determine mdma is the real evil at work here when everyone knows the pills we have contain a ton of other crap ???

how many people on these forums can claim to have consumed only high quality 80/90% pure mdma at all times?

attn: im not promoting the use of mdma or any other illicit substances, im just saying they might not be the root of the problem all the time.
 
Unlucky..........the fact is that there have been very few studies done into the long term effects of mdma.

Some people report that they experience problems.

Others report that they dont.

Others feel that the power of suggestion is at play.

Currently there is very little to no proof that one is correct.

What is known is that everyone is different and hence its quite possible that all the above are in fact correct.

Everyone is entitled to there opinion just as you are and until there is some concrete evidence one way or the other discussion such as this will ensue.

And IMO its healthy to gain the various ideas of different people.

I dont think anyone is suggesting "your bringing down my high, I enjoy this too much to accept that it can do that to you, NO! it must be u not the lovely innocent drugs"

People are simply providing there own opinion.

Deal with it.
 
MazDan said:
What is known is that everyone is different and hence its quite possible that all the above are in fact correct.
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I full heartedly agree with that comment and thats exactly why I have disagrements with people on these forums, cause they fail to recognise this!!!.
Its like people expect everyone to react the same way.

I am fully aware these difference mainly due to experience but other people fail to do so! Different reactions arise from things like genetic, hormonel, metobolism, immune system and many other causes!

Best example to give would be ritalin, a drug used for a.d.d. If we were all the same then we would all react the same way to it, look at what it does to people with a.d.d. , it actually calms them down, but in others it stimulates them and speeds them up as meth would, there ya go two fully opposite and drastic responses to the same drug!!! You can claim that your experiences are the same as others!

Thats why there is no grounds for people to attack the OP's views!
 
Guys, I think we just to need to remember the importance of... drum roll... common sense. Anything taken in large quantities will eventually be detrimental, whether it's to your physical health, mental well-being or both. Paracelsus, a 16th-century Swiss chemist, said, "All things are poison and nothing is without poison, only the dose permits something not to be poisonous." It's really quite a profound statement and it would serve us well to live -- and roll -- by it.

I've been using "ecstasy" for two years with minimal to no problems. Granted, my usage has only significantly ramped up in the past six to seven months, but even then I've still been able to more than cope with strenuous academic requirements and social and professional responsibilities. I'm graduating this week at the very top of my class and will be headed to one of the best graduate schools in America.

There have been moments of irresponsibility, but on the whole I have been level-headed in my usage and counseled my friends to do the same. I'm a bit disappointed in myself for having to resort to supplements like 5-HTP and piracetam to pre- and post-load. That's one of the factors that's causing me to question my ecstasy intake. As enjoyable as it is, the increasing need to "shield" or "protect" my brain is disconcerting. I would prefer to rely solely on eating healthily, working out regularly and exercising my brain with challenging tasks. Unfortunately, I've found that to be insufficient when I'm taking pills weekly or even bi-weekly. I won't blame it solely on the pills but I believe they, in conjunction with other factors, have contributed to very mild anxiety (still uncharacteristic for me) and a slightly more irritable demeanor.

On the whole, I still have retained my natural optimism and ability to be pleased at life's minor pleasures. The loss of either of those critical elements of my personality would greatly upset me and likely lead to an immediate cessation of use.

I know that the jury is still out on long-term consequences of ecstasy use, but I am relatively skeptical of significant negative effects. Ecstasy has been in popular use for thirty years and used widely for twenty. There are no legions of e-zombies staring blankly into space, suffering extreme depression or struggling to function in daily life. The dangers of ecstasy, like many of the things our governments warn us about, may very well be quite over-stated.

Life is far too short to live without experimenting with the boundaries of our existence; my ecstasy use has helped reveal those limits -- and to respect them.
 
Unlucky said:
keyholder when i saw ure thread title, I immedeately thought.."here we go people are gona flame this thread trying to defend the almighty E" and to my suprise when I read the posts here the responses were so predictable.

Being in the rave scene for 10 years I met so many people who would rather belive in tooth fairies rather than the neurotoxic effects of E" These forums are no different, ive come across so many people here who defend drugs and blame the user.

I find that any mention of negative and harmful expereinces are met with almost a denial type response that to me seems to say "your bringing down my high, I enjoy this too much to accept that it can do that to you, NO! it must be u not the lovely innocent drugs" < people who cant handle the truth.

"Don't blame mdma"< need i say more?? anyone with a sense of reality, open mind and common sense can see what a dim witted comment that is!
I find people here so transparent!

just my input...*braces self for flaming*...
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Agree with you 100% mate.
 
fondcrossing said:
Guys, I think we just to need to remember the importance of... drum roll... common sense. Anything taken in large quantities will eventually be detrimental, whether it's to your physical health, mental well-being or both. Paracelsus, a 16th-century Swiss chemist, said, "All things are poison and nothing is without poison, only the dose permits something not to be poisonous." It's really quite a profound statement and it would serve us well to live -- and roll -- by it.

I've been using "ecstasy" for two years with minimal to no problems. Granted, my usage has only significantly ramped up in the past six to seven months, but even then I've still been able to more than cope with strenuous academic requirements and social and professional responsibilities. I'm graduating this week at the very top of my class and will be headed to one of the best graduate schools in America.

There have been moments of irresponsibility, but on the whole I have been level-headed in my usage and counseled my friends to do the same. I'm a bit disappointed in myself for having to resort to supplements like 5-HTP and piracetam to pre- and post-load. That's one of the factors that's causing me to question my ecstasy intake. As enjoyable as it is, the increasing need to "shield" or "protect" my brain is disconcerting. I would prefer to rely solely on eating healthily, working out regularly and exercising my brain with challenging tasks. Unfortunately, I've found that to be insufficient when I'm taking pills weekly or even bi-weekly. I won't blame it solely on the pills but I believe they, in conjunction with other factors, have contributed to very mild anxiety (still uncharacteristic for me) and a slightly more irritable demeanor.

On the whole, I still have retained my natural optimism and ability to be pleased at life's minor pleasures. The loss of either of those critical elements of my personality would greatly upset me and likely lead to an immediate cessation of use.

I know that the jury is still out on long-term consequences of ecstasy use, but I am relatively skeptical of significant negative effects. Ecstasy has been in popular use for thirty years and used widely for twenty. There are no legions of e-zombies staring blankly into space, suffering extreme depression or struggling to function in daily life. The dangers of ecstasy, like many of the things our governments warn us about, may very well be quite over-stated.

Life is far too short to live without experimenting with the boundaries of our existence; my ecstasy use has helped reveal those limits -- and to respect them.
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I think you need to use common sense and read my posts i said that i DIDNT abuse ecstasy.. i used it minimal, preloaded and postloaded and took 4 month break after a year
 
My two cents on this MDMA not being so healthy for you. Before I started taking E about 5 years ago, I had crystal clear memory, my speech and communication was really good, i felt like a million bucks.

I found bluelight while trying to find some information of ecstasy before I took it. So I knew I needed atleast one month break. Well I have been using ever since in moderation. But I have definitely taken a good amount of E over 5 years.

First my speech started to get a little bad. I started to mumble alot and slur my words. Then my memory started to slip. My short term memory is literally shot now. I can't think straight at all. I feel like my head is always in a fog.

I used to be the happiest and nicest person in the world. Over 5 years I started to change. I am a ticking time bomb now. I get really angry over anything and people think I now have an anger management problem. I have developed a really bad case of anxiety and depresion.

Some people might have used with absolutely no side effects. I however have am a completely different person. The last time I rolled was January 27. I've rolled so much and have completely worn out its novelty. I've decided I'm gunna give up on it to see if mentally I can get back to where I was 5 years ago.

I just want to say i used in moderation and preloaded and postloaded. Never took anymore then 4 or 5 in a night. On the average it was 3 - 3 1/2
 
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I put my hand into fire knowing what would happen.The fire burnt me?, No I burnt myself.In knowing what would happen I take responsibility for the reaction.Should I tell others the fire is hot?No they dawm well know it's hot.

from erowid listed under possible negative effects

short-term memory scramble or loss & confusion

If you didn't know this was a possible outcome you shouldn't have been using the drug in the first place.I'm going to quit posting in this thread now as I feel like an asshole.
 
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Unlucky said:
keyholder when i saw ure thread title, I immedeately thought.."here we go people are gona flame this thread trying to defend the almighty E" and to my suprise when I read the posts here the responses were so predictable.

Being in the rave scene for 10 years I met so many people who would rather belive in tooth fairies rather than the neurotoxic effects of E" These forums are no different, ive come across so many people here who defend drugs and blame the user.

I find that any mention of negative and harmful expereinces are met with almost a denial type response that to me seems to say "your bringing down my high, I enjoy this too much to accept that it can do that to you, NO! it must be u not the lovely innocent drugs" < people who cant handle the truth.

"Don't blame mdma"< need i say more?? anyone with a sense of reality, open mind and common sense can see what a dim witted comment that is!
I find people here so transparent!

just my input...*braces self for flaming*...
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This was a very observant perspective as i have seen the same thing and at one time have been guilty of it. I used to defend it like no tomorrow and i suppose one subconcious reason was, as unlucky said, to convince myself that i was going to be fine. Well, i am not fine now and im sure it's due to the MDMA, even though i try to talk myself out of it. I didnt even come close to abuse either. I want to drop again, but i am faced with the fact that MDMA did damage me. One could look at the situation and pick a billion different factors that are responsible for it, absolving the drug (as arbitrary as living in a city or not stretching before exercising). And i probably have a genetic predisposition to ill effects. Maybe i dont, maybe its not that rare. Point is that i use to deny any harm could be caused because i enjoyed it too much. Now that i cant do it anymore I can take a more objective look at it (in addition to the fact that it has given me hppd) and see that it indeed does cause damage. I think i always knew that it did, but accepted that this damage was minor and reversible with abstinence and precaution. Now i know its not always the case.
In reference to what the OP said, their memory had decreased, yes many factors cause this decrease, but I give a person enough credit to be able to notice a significant drop seeing as most of us drug users dont WANT to detect any drop and will convince ourselves of the opposite. I have defeinitely seen a battery of my cognitive abilities. Hopefully, as was the plan, they will recover. I still don't regret rolling or anything. I really didnt have any indication that it could cause this level of fuckedess, sometimes you just get the short end of the stick.

Responsible rolling (harm reduction) is still a thing i would support (not for myself anymore though). You take the good with the bad and i think the good definitely at least equals the bad PROVIDED you only end up with minor side effects (HPPD is not one of them but its extremely rare) that do tend to dissipate.
 
I don't think anyone really thinks E is healthy. That doesn't stop them though for the same reason adding bacon to any burger king sandwich is only 49 cents!!!
 
Jimboach said:
I don't think anyone really thinks E is healthy. That doesn't stop them though for the same reason adding bacon to any burger king sandwich is only 49 cents!!!
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Exactly, I don't fool myself that taking E is going to be harmless, in the same way that people know alcohol can wreck your liver, and smoking can cause lung cancer, yet people will still go to the pub, get hammered, and smoke ciggies just as much.

It's a calculated risk that we take, and must each decide based on our own reasoning if the risk can be balanced against the pleasure.
 
Jimboach said:
Yeah, but I just wanted to proclaim my love for bacon.
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I hate bacon! :p

hahaha I'm gonna live longer than you =D




Wait... :\


I smoke a pack of Marlboro Light 100's per day 8(



Yup... I know "E" doesn't exactly stand for "Vitamin E" lol. I'll accept the risk involved just like I accept the risk involved in smoking, and the risk involved in riding a motorcycle to work every day.
 
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