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MDMA.. Not as safe as we think?

You can't compare taking mdma risks with risks of eating a burger or putting your hand in fire you idiots lol... why you ask? because those have PROVEN side effects with scientific evidence to BACK THEM UP. so many of these post in this thread are just pointless.. telling me that walking a cross a road isnt as safe as we think? pfft. but with mdma there is barely any scientific evidence to back up any harm or risks of doing it.. so thats why we make a decision from other peoples experiences (HENCE THE REASON I MADE THIS THREAD FOR THE MORONS WHO STILL HAVEN'T UNDERSTOOD THIS). so dont give me that crap oh speeding in a car isn't as safe as we thought etc. You eat bacon you can exercise and burn it off. you can't specifically un-do damage done to your brain though. And yeah i'm not saying EVERYONE ON BL says that MDMA is safe and there are no risks.. but if you look at the numbers of for/against its pretty much 90/10. hence i make my decision to take MDMA.

edit: and oh before someone posts thinking iam blaming BL just ead and die hehe. iam not.
 
Unlucky said:
keyholder when i saw ure thread title, I immedeately thought.."here we go people are gona flame this thread trying to defend the almighty E" and to my suprise when I read the posts here the responses were so predictable.

Being in the rave scene for 10 years I met so many people who would rather belive in tooth fairies rather than the neurotoxic effects of E" These forums are no different, ive come across so many people here who defend drugs and blame the user.

I find that any mention of negative and harmful expereinces are met with almost a denial type response that to me seems to say "your bringing down my high, I enjoy this too much to accept that it can do that to you, NO! it must be u not the lovely innocent drugs" < people who cant handle the truth.

"Don't blame mdma"< need i say more?? anyone with a sense of reality, open mind and common sense can see what a dim witted comment that is!
I find people here so transparent!

just my input...*braces self for flaming*...
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Your generalizations are completely unfair. There are a lot of people in this thread who are ACTUALLY saying that mdma may not necessarily healthy for you and have given examples of their negative experiences. You must have missed my post on the first page.

I don't think that people who have bad experiences with mdma (or any other drug in the world for that matter) can blame the drug entirely for negative effects that have been produced. The user knowingly ingested a substance and they should be prepared to accept any consequences as a result of this.

As I have stated probably a million times by now, I have been using for the last five years and I have never abused the drug. I always use in moderation and when I was actually still taking street pills i would never consume more than 1 in a night. When I was able to get pure mdma powder I would never take more than 125 - 150 mg. Did I experience issues with memory and depression/anxiety?? Absolutely. Do I blame the drug? Absolutely NOT, it was my choice, I knew the risks and I made my choice.

Just because you had a bad experience with mdma does not mean that there aren't people out there who have only had perfectly wonderful experiences. And to them, the high is indeed worth any hangover.

I may find it completely dim witted of someone to say "This drug made me this way". My response: "No, your CHOICE to ingest that drug landed you where you are"

Take responsibility.
 
Knowing that you're taking something with unpredictable risks is still making a decision based on knowing that what you're about to do may be unsafe. Every drug you ingest has risks, both known and unknown. Many drugs/activities have effects that can't be reversed. Wether the details of these risks are known or unknown isn't the issue, so long as we aware that there is *A* risk, "idiot" (to use your own word there).

We *KNOW* that there are negative effects, we *KNOW* that they haven't been anywhere near properly researched. *THAT* is the risk we take, and we make a choice to do so, the same way we make a choice to take part in any activity, we make a personal risk assessment and what happens thereafter is our responsibility. I specifically cited two other activities that people actively do which are not "safe" and that cause permenant damage to the body, and that the people who take part have very few delusions otherwise, and I believe it is the same for the vast majority of us here, we do not believe Ecstasy to be *SAFE*, we just feel at the time we take it that the positives justify the negatives in moderation.

Once you freely make a decision, KNOWING that there are risks involved, wether you know the specifics or not, you lose the right to complain when you end up on the wrong side of said risks later because you took those risks of your own free will. People are far more dangerous than any drug will ever be.

I'm not going to say anymore on the subject though, responsibility for doing this stuff lies in a single place, as does responsibility for accepting the effects. If people don't want to accept that, it's their choice, but it doesn't stop it being true.

Take ownership of your own actions folks.
 
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I'm glad you found it amusing :P
I do get rather irritating when I'm not sleeping enough, as you can see :P Best solution generally seems to tell me to piss off, until I've had time to go and de-stress myself. I probably had a point to make, in there, somewhere, but good luck actually finding it. Like I say, in future, just gimme a kick in the nuts, tell me to piss off and cool down somewhere.

And for the record, no need to bother, because I'm not going to argue back. I know that I can be an ass from time to time, I just need to be reminded occasionally.
 
Maybe your point was that an adult should take responsibility for their actions.
 
keyholder said:
Hey everyone.. When i first joined this board i was astonished by all the information on MDMA/ecstasy.. Its awesome and soon as i saw the bits proving that if you have MDMA in moderation there is minimal harm done to the body.. Well i actually disagree with this now.. I have never abused ecstasy i did it once a month for a year then took a 4month break then started again for once a month and i have to say i have noticed a problem with my memory.. i find it harder to study, remember things etc compared to before i had taken ecstasy.. I don't smoke weed, never even tried it.. I've used speed, base and ritalin too (in the break from ecstasy that i had for 4months) and i have healthy lifestyle i exercise pretty much everyday and drink occasionally some weekends. 90% of the times i rolled i preloaded/postloaded with antioxidants and 5-htp too.

Anyway i just thought i would share this with people, i love mdma and i have educated others who talk crap about all the myths about MDMA but it feels like it has come back and kicked me in the ass even though i have been careful :P

Keyholder.

EDIT: hehe my posts are 123 hahaha :P
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heres my original post when i made this thread, i think its a good idea you read it before you post in the thread instead of making yourself look like more a fool then you already do. I fail to see anywhere were i say i am taking ecstasy to court for my memory issues and its not my fault. i bring up the memory issue because its the only SIGNIFICANT problem i have noticed from my ecstasy use.. I have had other little issues but they were all short term and nothing that others wouldn't experience after using for a bit.
 
trip.more said:
Maybe your point was that an adult should take responsibility for their actions.
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Na bro. ecstasy forced me to have it. its not my fault. :\
 
Hi guys my names trip.more, in a thread about "How someone hit me with a car when i was crossing the road when it was green for me" i am going to post how that is the persons fault who was crossing the road because we know crossing a road is a risk and that we shouldn't cross roads if we aren't willing to take responsibility for it.
 
I look both ways;)

Knowing the side effects & still ingesting the drug is about equal to walking out in traffic, getting hit and blaming the driver.
 
Edit: Maz Dan made it very clear that everyone was to play nice, keep it up and you will be warned
and if you took the time to actually read what i said, it was green for the person crossing the road so no it wouldn't be the persons fault.
 
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Maybe think about what it would be like if your friend was the person who got hit by the car? would you still have that view? if so then its likely you don't have friends and thats why you spend your time on a forum posting irelavent things in peoples threads.
 
If you say so man but there seems to be a few other "morons" who agree with me.In knowing what could happen from ingesting MDMA and doing it anyways you accept responsibility for the outcome.
 
keyholder said:
Maybe think about what it would be like if your friend was the person who got hit by the car? would you still have that view? if so then its likely you don't have friends and thats why you spend your time on a forum posting irelavent things in peoples threads.
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Are you trying to resort to personal insult as you logic is flawed.:\
it's cool man because you obviously have no friends either as you sitting here arguing with me=D

I've had a friend get hit after walking into traffic and she had to pay for the damage done to the car.
 
Yes.. MY logic is flawed..
How can a plastic sex doll pay for damage to a car?
And you say she WALKED INTO traffic. this is different to getting hit by traffic when the car should be at a stop light.
 
purplefirefly said:
My response: "No, your CHOICE to ingest that drug landed you where you are"Take responsibility.
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The_Lonely_Tripper said:
Take ownership of your own actions folks.
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Why do people immedeately assume that individuals who've suffered drug harm do not take responsibilty? Why keep saying that? Im yet to come across anyone whos had negative problems with drugs denying that they were irresponsible. Some of you's are serious trippers for thinking otherwise!!!

No ones said, it wa purely the drugs fault im just an innocent lil angel. Im glad that ure a responsible drug user but i beleive ure a minority particularly in the rave scene, any of the drug users out there have the potential to develop negative effects, some may come here seeking for advice, unfortunately I feel for those people cause they are bound to be confronted with scepticism and a negative attitude by the majority here.

Majority of people who experience bad raeactions own up to it, just as i did in my pots when people were atacking me to take responsibiltyt even thou i never said I didn't. I admitted it was my fault just as the OP here has, but people still kept going on about taking ownership, dam! It must be all part of that denial response I mentioned earlier!

The point of this thread isnt debating responsibilty, his just simply raising awareness as thre have been a lot of people denying this could happen. If iI could be stuffed I'd go back an quote each one..

Just as people come on BL and talk about their positive drug experience his talking about his negative one. You dont hear people whinging to those who discuss positive experiences then why attack his negative views.

The points is drugs can have unexpected consequences,your saying that the bad effects are already discussed and mentioned in the BL forums, well guess what... u go tell that to the people who have been denying the OP's concerns. Cause it sounds to me like they sure dont know of thses consequences are let alone accept them.
Bl wa sdesigned to raise harm awareness rite? well thats exactly what this Op's doing, he should be getting more support rather than comments from people who can't practice what they preach!
 
keyholder said:
Yes.. MY logic is flawed..
How can a plastic sex doll pay for damage to a car?
And you say she WALKED INTO traffic. this is different to getting hit by traffic when the car should be at a stop light.
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even better how can a plastic sex doll walk into traffic or take XTC =D
Yes it is different because XTC isn't a red light it's a green light, we know lasting effects are made (as we know cars are coming when we cross the street on a green light) but choose to cross anyways.

@ Unlucky: I expect people to know what their taking and the risks involved, maybe that's to high of an expectation:\
 
Unlucky said:
Why do people immedeately assume that individuals who've suffered drug harm do not take responsibilty? Why keep saying that? Im yet to come across anyone whos had negative problems with drugs denying that they were irresponsible. Some of you's are serious trippers !!!

No ones said, it wa purely the drugs fault im just an innocent lil angel. Im glad that ure a responsible drug user but i beleive ure a minority particularly in the rave scene, any of the drug users out there have the potential to develop negative effects, some may come here seeking for advice, unfortunately I feel for those people cause they are bound to be confronted with scepticism and a negative attitude by the majority here.

Majority of people who experience bad raeactions own up to it, just as i did in my pots when people were atacking me to take responsibiltyt even thou i never said I didn't. I admitted it was my fault just as the OP here has, but people still kept going on about taking ownership, dam! It must be all part of that denial response I mentioned earlier!

The point of this thread isnt debating responsibilty, his just simply raising awareness as thre have been a lot of people denying this could happen. If iI could be stuffed I'd go back an quote each one..

Just as people come on BL and talk about their positive drug experience his talking about his negative one. You dont hear people whinging to those who discuss positive experiences then why attack his negative views.

The points is drugs can have unexpected consequences,your saying that the bad effects are already discussed and mentioned in the BL forums, well guess what... u go tell that to the people who have been denying the OP's concerns. Cause it sounds to me like they sure dont know of thses consequences are let alone accept them.
Bl wa sdesigned to raise harm awareness rite? well thats exactly what this Op's doing, he should be getting more support rather than comments from people who can't practice what they preach!
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Wow finally someone with enough brains to understand. If you were in Sydney i'd buy you a beer right now :p :\
 
trip.more said:
even better how can a plastic sex doll walk into traffic or take XTC =D
Yes it is different because XTC isn't a red light it's a green light, we know lasting effects are made (as we know cars are coming when we cross the street on a green light) but choose to cross anyways.
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Thank you once again you have proven that this has nothing to do with my thread! I am sure in whatever planet your state of mind is in you will be rewarded severely.
 
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